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Clinton, McCain, and Obama on Iraq
Clinton, McCain, and Obama on Iraq
by L. J. Furman
Our presence in Iraq has become a military occupation. We are caught between the Sunni and the Shia, opposing sides with irreconcilable differences, feuds, grudges, and grievances, going back a thousand years or more. The government we have put in place in Iraq has agreed to give American oil companies control of the oil, however, the Sunni and the Shia are fighting for their turf. We are caught in the crossfire trying to establish and maintain order by occupying a hostile native population.
Our young and patriotic soldiers, fighting, they are told, for their country, are also caught between the cross hairs of the insurgents and mercenaries we are paying, who, wrapped in the banner of the American Flag, are fighting for their pocketbooks, killing and torturing "the enemy," and raping their colleagues.
What do the candidates for President say? Hillary Clinton first voted to support George W Bush, but now, finally, understands that we need to end this misadventure.
John McCain served honorably in Viet Nam, where he was captured and held as a POW for what must have seemed to be an eternity. Perhaps that's why he believes that we can win in Iraq, even if we are there for 100 years. Or perhaps he believes we have the right to occupy the region and develop the oil fields.
Barack Obama knew from the beginning that the best way to contain Saddam Houssein and Iraq was to do what George H. W. Bush and William Jefferson Clinton did, in the words of the conservatives, to "starve the beast," with inspections and no-fly zones, rather than to throw lighter fluid, blazing wood, and hundreds of fire-crackers into warehouses full of dynamite.
Clinton and McCain criticize Obama's optimism and label him “Young” and "Inexperienced." Yet Clinton has recently come to realize what Barack knew from the beginning, and McCain still believes the myths of his youth half a century ago while he denies the realities of today.
If Barack is "young" and "inexperienced" while Clinton and McCain are "wise" we need a lot more youth and inexperience, and we don't need wisdom.
"The welfare state reduces a citizen to a client, subordinates
them to a bureaucrat, and subjects them to rules that are
anti-work, anti-family, anti-opportunity and anti-property...
Humans forced to suffer under such anti-human rules naturally
develop pathologies. The evening news is the natural result
of the welfare state
"They came first for the Communists...
but I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews...
but I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the Unionists...
but I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics...
but I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me...and by that time...
there was no-one left to speak up for me."
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it
cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is
less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.
But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his
sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very
halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a
traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and
he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the
baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots
the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the
night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the
body politic so that it can no longer resist.
A murderer is less to fear."
--Marcus Tullius Cicero 42B.C
http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/23915...
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I wish someone would come for Rooney.
Howard Dean is first and foremost, here ;-D
Howdy sunlight ♥'s
12:36 am est
ROFL ~ Good Grief, Daniel. You are somethin' else. The renewed Repub party fits the bill on who has subjugated us all, and just fyi, I fear BushCoup far more than any murderer.
12:37 am est
Hi Folks,
Just watched South Pacific on the Hallmark channel. It's as pertinent today as it was then. I think I grew up with it; it's in my unconscious, beautiful movie. The American Madam Butterfly.
My contribution: chiggers
Howard Dean is first and foremost, here ;-D
If that were true, do you think he would tolerate a blog like this?
If he did he wouldn't be first in my book.
Kindness is nice but it not always gets you what you need.
Hi again,
#3 Daniel Rooney. Thanks for posting that. Who was it that said it? Was it Baumhoffer?
The eternal question is: What is the blog owner's intent with this blog?
..the essence of community is conversation.. Our survival depends on communication. We have the power. But we need to share it with each other.
Communication is sharing.
This is not a community anymore. HQ doesn't share.
12:50 am
From now on I will not give a timestamp anymore. I will just post for silly entertainment. A serious or even non-serious discussion is not possible anymore.
pickles and boiles laced with cockroaches marinated in the sewer of incompetence or hidden purpose
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DANIEL ROONEY
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Nazi Bullshit
nice going all... having a heckof a time getting in nos...
sunlight ~ good points you raise. There are many times it's more than a disappointing blog, others are plain ol' great discussions as in the old days. As for kindness, no it doesn't always get you what you want, but that's not my point. It IS free to give. What one does with it is a whole 'nother matter.
There is plenty of good conversation and sharing here.
just saw your last post and having great trouble getting mine to get through, but lol, hang in there my firend, it will get better. Couldn't get much worse after all...
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Pat, according to wiki...
An early supporter of Hitler, by 1934 Niemöller had come to oppose the Nazis, and it was largely his high connections to influential and wealthy businessmen that saved him until 1937, after which he was imprisoned, eventually at Sachsenhausen and Dachau concentration camps. He survived to be a leading voice of penance and reconciliation for the German people after World War II. His poem is well-known, frequently quoted, and is a popular model for describing the dangers of political apathy, as it often begins with specific and targeted fear and hatred which soon escalates out of control...
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it gets used many ways, don't be enticed by the scat seeded on our blog (JMHO)
1:17 am est
Phew, finally was able to post. Just got company, so I'm prolly off for the evening once again...
♥'s to all
Kindness is free!
♥ thankful. Smilin' that you're grooving to Jimi:)
The eternal question is: What is the blog owner's intent with this blog?<<<<
Don't know that it's the "eternal" question but it is certainly a relevant question, imho.
&hearts ;
sorry, just trying to make that heart work.
hey cC, it's & hearts ;
w/o the spaces :-)
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sunlight, there is sharing among us, HQ will get there...
1:27 am est
Nite for real :-)
Paine, you have a message...
♥'s to all
Kindness *IS* Free!
1:53 am est
Thanks Pat, it is a beautiful movie, although the version w/ Glenn Close was somewhat disappointing. Sweet wones atcha.
nite all
1:58 am est
Woke to p. On topic & worthy of repeat--
“Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. But it is the leaders of the country who determine policy. And it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
The speaker was Nazi Number II, Herman Goering.
inner ear evangelists
Printable version Afghan suicide bombing kills 80 At least 80 people have been killed in a suicide bomb attack in the Afghan city of Kandahar, its governor says. The blast - the deadliest so far this year in Afghanistan - hit people watching a dog-fighting competition.
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Major storm headed in thankful travel not advised over a very wide area
Good morning, everybody
Updating calendars.
Furman has got it mostly right but he's overlooking the Air Bases.
Out of sight--out of mind. LOL
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Printable version Machines 'to match man by 2029' By Helen Briggs Science reporter, BBC News, Boston
Machines will achieve human-level artificial intelligence by 2029, a leading US inventor has predicted.
Humanity is on the brink of advances that will see tiny robots implanted in people's brains to make them more intelligent, said Ray Kurzweil.
The engineer believes machines and humans will eventually merge through devices implanted in the body to boost intelligence and health.
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machines have already achieved the intelligence of Republican voters
2029 might be the median for when they are halfway to catching up with Democrats
transmission leak
Grant (them), O Lord, a steady hand and watchful eye, that no one shall be hurt as (they) pass by.
You gave life; (we) pray no act of (theirs) may take away or mar that gift of thine.
Shelter those, dear Lord, who bear (their) company, from the evils of fire and all calamity.
Teach (them) to use (their) car for others' needs; nor miss through love of undue speed
The beauty of the world; that thus (they) may with joy and courtesy go on (their) way.
St. Christopher, holy patron of travelers, protect (them) and lead (them) safely to (their) destiny.
Amen.
cC and Phil: ♥
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8:55 AM
I started to make this a page 2 post but decided it's probably too incendiary, so I will post it here.
I am becoming disturbed by Clinton supporters' need to divide us by race. Let me elaborate.
Exhibit A: Ed Rendell, Pennsylvania governor and Clinton-endorsing superdelegate. Rendell recently said that white, conservative Pennsylvanians won't vote for Obama because Obama is black. As evidence, he pointed to his re-election win over football legend Lynn Swann. Yet when you look at the votes, the whitest counties voted heavily for Swann. Read about it here:
http://tinyurl.com/2ycjoy
I can't feature Rendell didn't know which counties went for Swann when he said what he said. It looks to me like calculated disinformation.
Exhibit B: The scurrilous e-mail urging people to vote against Obama because his middle name is Hussein and his father and stepfather were "militant" Muslims, and that Obama attended a "madrassas" school in his youth in Indonesia. (Um, it means "school".) This e-mail has been around the world and back and you probably have gotten it from someone whose head is loose and wobbly.
What's interesting about it is who is repudiating it and who isn't. The Obama campaign, of course, has voiced its disapproval, as have seven Jewish Senators WHO HAVE NOT ENDORSED A CANDIDATE: Carl Levin, Barbara Boxer, Russ Feingold, Bernie Sanders, Frank Lautenberg, Ben Cardin, and Ron Wyden:
http://tinyurl.com/2l2nte
(Incidentally, Boxer remains neutral on an endorsement despite the fact her daughter is married to Hillary's brother Tony. I find that interesting also.)
The letter begs the question why Jewish Senators who have endorsed Hillary Clinton, such as Dianne Feinstein, are unwilling to plant the flag against the smearing e-mail. And, raising one's eyes a bit, why isn't Hillary herself deploring it if she wants to bring the country together?
Inquiring minds sure would like to know.
-- volney
Phil's post about the smart robots:
ROFL. Microsoft can't even build a browser without security holes. Frankly, robots are going to have to be much smarter than most of us before I would consider them a threat.
-- volney
After reviewing BO's Middle east foreign policy and views..I do not see alot of "change"........any Obamanable care to enlighten me on this one? Or is BO so off limits now that an average citizen would not dare to question him........................
In fact, the main reason for contempt towards the US from most ME peoples BO does not seem to take into account.....nothing has change or appranetly will change..............so wheres the change?
Flame on Obamanables......................
Talking with Syria and Iran rather than isolating them is the only way to secure an exit that leaves a semblance of a return to normalacy Mike
the first step is to get back tot the status quo
then worry about change
9:59 AM EST
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080216/ap_on_el_pr/obama_bracelet_1
Obama wears Iraqi soldier's bracelet By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer
49 minutes ago
EAU CLAIRE, Wis. - Barack Obama is wearing a wristband in memory of a soldier killed in Iraq, given to him by a mother who said she wants the Democratic presidential candidate to keep others from dying.
Tracy Jopek of Merrill, Wis., gave Obama the bracelet at a rally Friday night in Green Bay
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She said she's a Democrat who will vote for Obama in Wisconsin's primary Tuesday. Like Obama, she said she was against the war from the start and had a hard time watching her son go to war.
"My son loved this country very much, I love this country, but I don't feel that staying in Iraq will vindicate my son's death," she said. "And it's not over for us until this war is over. I just don't want any more soldiers to die in vain for something that we can't solve."
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Globe has article on history of super delegates
Ickes and Ron Brown played a role a long time ago
Dukakis eventually agreed to many of the changes Jackson wanted. Jackson's negotiators, Ron Brown and Harold Ickes, won an agreement to remove DNC members as superdelegates and mandated proportional representation as the only permissible method for states to apportion their delegates.
After Dukakis lost the election, however, Brown - then the newly elected DNC chairman - reinstated DNC members as superdelegates. "Ironically, Ron Brown undid the reform that he had helped to negotiate," said Tad Devine, who negotiated the 1988 pact for Dukakis.
WHAT: A Public Hearing on the Future of the Internet
WHEN: Tentatively Scheduled for Monday, Feb 25, 2008
TIME: 10:00 a.m. - FCC monthly meeting open to the public
12:00 p.m. - Open Public Hearing on the Future of the Internet
WHERE: Harvard Law School, Ames Courtroom, Austin Hall
1515 Massachusetts Avenue, Cambridge, MA 02138
Directions: http://www.law.harvard.edu/about/contact/directions.php/
Read the FCC announcement here.
We are in a unique moment in history when the government will decide whether we have a closed Internet controlled by a small handful of giant corporations, or an open Internet controlled by the people who use it.
With so much at stake, it's encouraging that the FCC's first move is to quickly seek public feedback and expert counsel about the future of the Internet. Let's hope this important hearing in Massachusetts is just the beginning of a national conversation that spreads to every town and city across the country.
Come to make your voice heard or submit comments directly to the agency. Take action today to protect the Internet for tomorrow: http://www.savetheinternet.com/comcast.php.
10:07 AM EST
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//080217/480/640c578c14e044dea52ee8248b9ee5f5/
The February 25, 2008 issue of Newsweek (on newsstands Monday, February 18), 'The Real Michelle Obama,' looks at how the aspiring First Lady is coping with the scrutiny, balancing work and family life, and making sure her husband is 'keeping it real' on the campaign trail.
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10:09 AM EST
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=24374
First Published 2008-02-16
US Elections Through Arab American Eyes
Barack Obama's Arab American supporters see that a man with such a diverse international, interfaith, and inter-racial background is bound to make America more inclusive – both domestically and globally. He is a Christian American with the gift of respect and appreciation for Islam, argues Ghassan Rubeiz.
There are about 3.5 million Arab Americans. According to a 2007 Zogby poll, 61 percent of Arab American voters mention Iraq as the leading issue in the election, and 66 percent also rank "Palestine" as very high on their list of concerns.
In the past, Arab Americans – especially the more affluent – voted Republican. The same poll, however, shows that currently 62 percent of Arab Americans vote Democratic and 25 percent vote Republican.
In the vote on Super Tuesday, 5 February, Democrats confirmed two liberal presidential candidates as the front-runner nominees: Hilary Clinton with 1045 delegates (out of the 2025 required for winning the nomination) and Barack Obama with 960 delegates. Ron Paul, the only "dovish" Republican candidate that Arabs tend to support, is likely to soon vanish from the race.
A few days before Super Tuesday, the Arabs took an electronic straw poll, sponsored by Al Jazeera. Al Jazeera viewers – who are for the most part Arabs or interested in Arab affairs – were asked to vote electronically for their choice for US president. A majority of Arabs, 61 percent, voted for Obama; Ron Paul came in at a distant second, with 10 percent.
"Arab Americans should be greatly encouraged by last Tuesday's Democratic primary results," says Abdeen Jabara, a civil rights attorney and the former President of Arab American Anti-Discrimination Committee. Jabara continues, "Senator Obama's … message of change is resonating with large segments of an American public, of which Arab Americans are a part, who are deeply unsatisfied by the status quo and the business-as-usual prescriptions for America's foreign and domestic policy ills. This was a truly historic day and Arab Americans can be proud of the part they played in it."
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Larry Furman and Ervin Sowell are two veeeerrry wise people. Many thanks to them for contributing their wisdom to this blog.
I watched Chris Matthews Sunday Show. He had Chrystia from Financial Times, 'stretch', the lady with the dimples who leans right, and David Brooks. Chrystia said FT did a poll this weekend and the 'continent' preferred Obama but England prefers Hillary. 'Stretch' said the Dem nomination won't cliffhang till the convention - may well be over in early March. David Brooks said McCain and Hillary got along famously, but McCain did not respect Obama so much - that Barack did not always 'keep his promises' on some subject they worked together on. That's all my news.
labyrinthitis.
Maybe we should sweet talk the blog instead. Say good things instead of putting out curses:
Receiving an unexpected check in the mail.
Volney. I don't know about incendiary but it provides absolutely no evidence that Hillary Clinton or her campaign are behind the email described but not provided. Nor is she or her campaign responsible for Rendell's poor judgment.
The "Jewish senators" are neither responsible for the scurrilous email that you describe but do not provide nor are they responsible for Rendell's remarks in poor taste and/or his poor judgment.
Frankly your post is no more than a transparent, low blow at Hillary Clinton who you've accused of lacking courage in previous posts where you pontificate upon her marriage. mho.
Tom, thanks for the heart tip:)
and...good morning, all.
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hang nails.
People have begged, pleaded, Anni. I never complained until the blog became erratic with posts landing in a crazy, jumbled fashion. That was the bottom line for me. Keep the curses going, I say;0
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eczema.
Thought you all might want to know that WE are still being noticed:
Democracy for America, the political action committee founded by former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean after his unsuccessful presidential campaign in 2004, is fanning the superdelegate controversy. Dean is now Democratic National Committee chairman; his brother Jim Dean runs Democracy for America.
"Superdelegates have the power to overturn the popular vote and crown a different winner," Charles Chamberlain, political director, says on the group's Web site. "We can't let that happen."
In its first 48 hours, DFA's online petition -- calling on superdelegates to "let the voters decide our Democratic nominee" -- collected more than 38,000 signatures.
http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/article/20080217/NEWS/802170387/1033/NEWS01
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dead car battery
Phil,
No Obamanables took my challenge..............personally, the "status quo" for the past 50 years has been whats primarily gotten us into the mess we are in today..........Ill applaud Obama If and WHEN he gets a chance to really take the diplomatic challenge to break the hold on this country from certain ME "allies"...................i remain skeptical however of him and anyone else for that matter....................i guess i the world of Obamamania, one can HOPE for a CHANGE in that regard......................i doubt it tho and have bot heard or seen any attempt on his part to undue the injustices of the past in that region that sadly effects, or will effect things here...........
may your pre-paid funeral parlor operator declare bankruptcy
a curse to haunt you to your grave, (and beyond)
No matter who she may be running against, Hillary represents the same old crap we've had for years (obviously not the past 8, though).
I defended her so much when Bill first got in office. But now that she is running for president, her blatant attempts at winning at all costs, scoffing at the DNC policies as they no longer fit her gameplan, and her disdain in general of the grassroots makes her fair game on this blog.
Her defenders are the ones that are in a position to tell us why we should not be less than enthused with her. Lots of complaints that posts here are anti-Hillary. I fail to see that many (not including any links to stories about her that may be less than flattering).
Why should we hold her up here?
Mike, I've yet to see any relationships between Obama and the "powers that be" in the ME, such as those the Bush family has.
That's a good start, IMO.
Mike
a President willing to put himself into the diplomatic effort directly and personally with declared enemies of Israel,including the sponsors of the terrorist organization Hezbullah, is a pretty bold step
8:49 am PT
I'd get worried if I start to see pictures of Obama shaking hands with Saddam Hussein, or any member of the Royal Saudi families.
One person alone will not solve our ME issues but one that is not corrupt and in bed with them just might be the golden key we need to unlock this mess.
Rendell's remarks in poor taste and/or his poor judgment.
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it needs to be looked at in the context of Bill Clinton's remarks and those of Bob Kerrey
they were insidious rovian attack politics
i remain skeptical however of him and anyone else for that matter.....
A healthy political attitude.
And Mike, please knock it off with "Obamanables'.
Jo in Vermont made a great case about posters that try to diminish supporters, which is not fair game, IMO. We are people. If you want to diminish candidate's policies and positions, well that's part of debate. Thinking you are hurting Obama supporters with your description of us is actually making you look bad. I know you don't care, but I do.
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Denise
Absolutely!
Though I would vote for Clinton if she were to somehow pull it out because even a chimp would be better than McCain or any Repug politician at this point, I see no reason we should not attack her candidacy. That is what democracy is all about.
Obama has been very good about not using all the readily available means to destroy Clinton in the unlikelihood that she be the nominee. He has also been careful not to attack the military credentials of McCain, one reason being he won't need to do that.
the Obama Nation needs to lighten up
Denise and Phil............thanks
four flat tires on a rainy cold morning when you're running late
You probably didn't notice, but the FCC date was "tentative" in my earlier post. The FCC site itself now has the date as February 26th. Same time and place.
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What do you mean by that Phil? :)
Denise
Sun, 02/17/08
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I agree with Phil Denise..you should lighten up or grow up........4 years ago we were called "Deaniacs" and I never took offense to it.............Obama supporters, many ofthem ar a real turn off much of the time...maybe its you guys that need the attitude adjustment.............remember this, the Independents will be the ones who make the differance in this one...............quit being so serious, or take a prozac...................
"Superdelegates have the power to overturn the popular vote and crown a different winner," Charles Chamberlain, political director, says on the group's Web site. "We can't let that happen."
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the sad fact is though that if you start changing one set of rules mid-stream you set the precedent for changing others including seating outlaw delegations with even bigger impact than the difference between supporters among super delegates so it backfires and you get the opposite outcome
superdelegates only have that power if they would in fact go against the will of the voters
Mike, you're welcome. I'm as much in the dark about the future as everyone else. But I see more light coming through with Barack.
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FRED from Ashland OR
Sun, 02/17/08
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I wish someone would come for Rooney.
i wish it would be you!have something for ya!!!!now that was funny fred!
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Mike you just can't help yourself. Prozac? Your posts speaks for itself. If I thought you were an actual political activist I'd find value in continuing this conversation.
Rendell's remarks in poor taste and/or his poor judgment.
<>Gov. Rendell proves that not all of the old racial bigots who used to infest the Democratic Party switched to the GOP -- they still have a home in Camp Clinton.
And Mike, it's not about what YOU take offense to. It's what OTHERS take offense to that comes out of your brain. I've often wondered why you continue to live in the United States since most of your posts put it down. But that's not pertinent to democracy - though you sure are privy to it living here, aren't you? With all of our faults.
The superdelegates are at least on notice that if they decide against the will of the majority there will be hell to pay from a Democratic base that is tired of being taken for granted and even spat upon with regularity.
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Michael Ellis
Sun, 02/17/08
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After reviewing BO's Middle east foreign policy and views..I do not see alot of "change"........any Obamanable care to enlighten me on this one?
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neither did Gunga Dhin's policy differ much from the Brit's, but he was a "better man than I..."
I find it hypocritically amusing that Michael, who once attacked me visciously for use of the term "Edwardian," now calls Obama's people "Obamanables."
Carry on!
re. the roots.
Actually, neither Hillary or Barack have used the grassroots "bloggers". They have both, exercised good judgment, imo, in avoiding blogs like the plague. Otoh, both have organized their ground campaigns...the shoe leather grass roots, very well.
I cringe at the thought of either of them guest-blogging here, for example. Unfortunately, bloggers have earned a reputation as wackadoos.
KOS was at one time very strict about what he'd permit. Since he's become more lax the posts there have deteriorated.
Funny story: I listen to a few financial podcasts during my work commute on BART. Was listening to Andrew Horowitz interviewing John Dvorak (a long-time commentator on high tech...started with a little tech column in the SF Chron and is now a syndicated columnist and guru). During this interview he complained of these "nameless, faceless bloggers who attack without credibility or knowledge of the topic".
I'm an ardent supporter of free speech but I deplore much of the fact-free, unresearched stuff that gets posted on blogs. ymmv.
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diarrhea and plumbing problems.
Stepping on your urinary catheter!
Only Old Milwaukee beer in your fridge :)
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Denise
Sun, 02/17/08
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Mike you just can't help yourself. Prozac
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Be nice to Ironman. He was born a pretentious Brit. He can't help himself. It's in his DNA
Barack was the first DFA A-list winner. Clinton never made the list.
Obama embraces the grassroots. Clinton uses them by saying she embraces them, but she does not.
It's not about blogs at all, cC. It's about the candidate's attitudes.
Fred :)
I can't see the pic you posted but thanks for posting it!
.remember this, the Independents will be the ones who make the differance in this one...............
Scroll up for posts from Sitka, dog soldier and cC!
Crazy blog...LOL
9:22am PT
may your long haired golden retreiver fight a skunk and win
Shoot, the "text mode" cut off the rest of my post.
Bottom line: Given the rate that Barack is mobilizing new, young voters we may not need those tiresome "independents"...the ones we have to endure every election...on a major tv network pontificating after participation in a focus group. I've yet to see one of those "independents" say anything remotely articulate....biggest bunch of 20-seconds-of-famers I've ever seen. Dolts.
threadworm.
new thread
http://blogforamerica.com/view/23869
Quick good morning, then have to do some work.
I've just skimmed the posts, not really focused, but Denise, I think we were on the same wave length. Why Obamanables? What's the reason for the insult?
I've been thinking: I haven't heard one cogent argument against his candidacy. He's brilliant, has an excellent, outstanding academic background. He has walked the talk by being a community organizer in Chicago: something that not one other candidate has done. Edwards has walked picket lines, done a stint in New Orleans, and established a foundation to help poor kids go to college, all commendable and much respected. But, if you've ever watched The Wire, working in the inner city is something else entirely. It's down to earth gritty, sad, dangerous, sometimes disillusioning to the point of despair.
People have said Obama is lofty, without substance, isn't comfortable in his own skin, doesn't know who he is, has no programs, is inexperienced. He has worked in the public sector, the private sector, and the educational sector. He has lived in parts of the world where he had to learn about other cultures, not in an academic sense, but in a real life sense.
He is cool, calm, by temperament, a new paradigm thinker, has none of the baggage of corporate collusion, has burned no bridges with politicians or leaders, and speaks with passion, eloquence, and values that can unite people. He has wrtten two excellent books candidly revealing his life, his thoughts, and addressing issues and policies. To my knowledge, that is something that singles him out as well. Unfortunately, the average American reads one book a year, and 50 percent read none.
So, why the grousing, why the sour, bittern dismissal of an extraordinary politician? I can't find a reason.
And so, I'm of the same mind you are, Denise, I just don't get the continual carping about this man. He has faults, thank goodness. We poor humans don't do very well with perfection. Howard Dean has faults, but he has earned our respect, support, and enduring affection. What in heaven's name is going on here? Is it out and out racial prejudice? If so, it's simply hopeless. I've come to believe that people's preferences and ideas about race, culture, and other things simply are ingrown like a toenail and can't be reasoned with.
One last thought, how much we need the arts, poetry, dance, crafts, music, theatre. We have been a militaristic, hard jawed, bullying, greedy image of what I believe are an optimistic, fair minded, hard working, and honest people for way too long. Music makes us grow, makes us better, and Obama speaks in music. Bless him.
Oh, my. I think the Obamanables should be very happy that the other Deaniacs are willing to support their candidate over the Repugnable and the Billaries.
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Thankful2Thankful4Dean
Sun, 02/17/08
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ROFL ~ Good Grief, Daniel. You are somethin' else. The renewed Repub party fits the bill on who has subjugated us all, and just fyi, I fear BushCoup far more than any murderer.
what do you mean renewed repub party fits the bill? when milk spoils you throw out the hole gal,its not bush who in charge of this country!its not the dems either, you fail to see the hole pic,the system is rotten from inside out, get out of the left right matrix its a smoke screen to fool you and i see that it is working. ps the blog isnt working because they cant control it! to much free thinking!
Obama speaks in music now. Bless him.
If we don't start getting real, McCain will stop the music.
Too many notes.....Amadeus
Yes, Barack was our first DFA list winner. If he weren't running for Pres. now, and the only choice Deaniacs have, we would be looking for the opportunity to replace him with another List candidate like a few of the others who have disappointed.
Denise
Sun, 02/17/08
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Its very simple denise.........my wife doesnt want to leave it..............
There will be a hearing in concord on next tuesday:
OUR NATION IS IN CRISIS.
NORTHEAST IMPEACHMENT COALITION, WWW.NEIMPEACH.ORG HAS PREPARED CLEAR
IMPEACHMENT TALKING POINTS
TO INFORM CITIZENS ABOUT THE RUMORS AND MYTHS INVOLVING INVESTIGATIVE HEARINGS.
IMPEACHMENT HAS BEEN ON THE TABLE
SINCE NOVEMBER 6, 2007 AS HOUSE RESOLUTION 799.
H Res 799 is now in the House JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.
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1. There is not enough time. Impeachment will take too long.
History show we need no more than 120 days. The clock is ticking. Every second counts. Investigations, once initiated, would take no more than hours to prepare four articles of impeachment replete with on the record evidence of guilt. A school of thought from Betty Hall, NH Representative, is that impeachment could take 1 ½ - 2 weeks, if the House Judiciary put their minds to it.
2. We just don't have the votes.
There will be votes once impeachment hearings get under way and the depth of crimes is recorded. Before charges could be brought. The American people were denied the truth. Nixon resigned to avoid exposing illegal policy and corruption that still exists, today.
3. They'll be out of office in a year anyway.
If someone broke into your house and robbed you, and the police told you they weren't going to press charges because the robber was leaving the country in a year anyway, would you be satisfied? We have been robbed of our democracy, our Constitutional rights, our blood and our treasure.
4. Congress will come to a standstill & the country will be divided.
The Senate is at a standstill, unable to pass anything meaningful except bills instilling fear in the lives of the people. During the Nixon Impeachment, Vietnam War withdrawals, Voting Rights and the Endangered Species Act were passed.
5. A fear may exist that Bush would appoint another VP just as difficult as Cheney.
Unlikely, because after impeaching Cheney, another VP would have to be vetted by House and Senate with a simple majority.
6. It will be just like the Clinton impeachment.
Do not be "Outfoxed" by the media. It will not resemble the Clinton impeachment due to the serious and weighty nature of the likely charges. Also, many of the high crimes and misdemeanors are matters of public record.
7. We'll take care of it in 2009. Pelosi says impeachment could jeopardize the 2008 election.
Practically guarantees a furtherance of the imperial presidency by the next president if any of the current front runners prevail. Impeachment is about preserving and protecting the Constitution We the people must protect the Constitution first.
8. We need to secure the oil in the middle east.
The cost of the means to protect oil outstrip the benefit The oil profits are not more important than our democracy or developing alternative forms of energy. Our safety, well being, combating global warming, and preparing for our future do not coincide. If they did, they wouldn't have had to lie to us.
TASK: There is only one way to get our country back.
It requires neither the President's signature, nor is it subject to his veto. It is called IMPEACHMENT.
DUTY: Demand our Representatives follow their oath of office.
The people have the power to elect our true representatives. It is our duty to call the House Judiciary Committee.
Democrats: 202-225-3951. Republicans 202-225-6504.
Tell them: "Start the investigations, now."
OUR CHILDREN'S ANSWER:
For us, our parents were not the ones to look away, they were not part of the "Spiral of Silence". They knew, We the people of these United States have the duty to speak out, as a strong majority.
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By Ervin Sowell on Feb 15, 2008 12:08 AM ESTGood evening L.J, I joined the Obama campaign here in South Carolina last fall. What can I say? We did pretty good. I worked with Cisco Robinson who is with the national campaign. Had the pleasure of having dinner with Michelle Obama's tour group wednesday before the primary. I attended 4 of Obama's events here SC. Cisco hooked me up with a great seat, right in the pressbox, at one event. Got some nice shots of our great candidate, and talked with Dan Balz of the Washington Post. Your piece that I just read is very persuasive. I am going steal parts of it, and add them to my "talking points". If I may make a suggestion, Perhaps you could rewrite that last paragraph.and reconsider those last four words. "we don't need wisdom" My impression is that "Wisdom" may be Obama's strongest suit. Exhibit A: His eloquent speech opposing the war when it was a lonely position. Sen. Clinton has droned on about Sen. Obama's supposed lack of experience. Turn the tables on her with this repartee(drum roll please) "Experience without wisdom is just a burden". Again thanks for helping the campaign. Ervin Sowell, Bishopville SC BTW, My demographic is: 64yr. old straight, white guy. The pollsters always gotta know lol