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I Lost Gov. Dean's Favorite Tie...
I hate to admit it... but, I lost Gov. Dean's favorite tie. I was supposed to be his dutiful staff person—the person he relies on in any situation when he travels. I am his spokesperson, I field phone calls, set up media interviews, hold onto briefing papers and gifts people give him—and as strange as it may seem—the week of August 2nd, I was in charge of four ties.Yeah, I know what you're thinking... how hard can it be for a grown woman to keep four ties? I know, I know—trust me—the staff at DFA hasn't been shy when it comes to teasing me about this.
Here's the story: when Gov. Dean hosted Topic A with Tina Brown, he brought four different ties with him to New Jersey so we could see what looked best with the cameras on the TV set. It was my job to hold onto the ties that he decided not to wear.
Yes, the tie I lost was Gov. Dean's favorite tie—not just because it was nice-looking or trendy, but because it was sentimental. This is the tie his mother recently gave him, not to mention the tie he wore for his speech at the Democratic Convention and all of the presidential debates during the primaries.
It has taken me a few weeks to 'fess up to this mishap. I was convinced Gov. Dean or another staff person traveling with us, (*ahem* Tom McMahon), misplaced the tie, but after retracing my steps, I can say with full confidence, TieGate is 100% my fault.
I want to get him a new one, but I haven't been able to find it anywhere. I thought the tie was by Vineyard Vines, but their Web site doesn't seem to have the exact same color. It's hard to tell in the picture, but those are little whales on the tie.
I've searched stores in Burlington high and low, I've done more Google and Yahoo! searches than you can ever imagine, I've even called my mother in Atlanta and asked her to look at all the stores in her area, but alas, I have had no luck. I just can't find the tie.
—Laura Gross
Communications Director (Just don't let her hold your tie...)
Democracy for America
Dean is first, with or without his tie,
But I would check with the Crushies, they just might have borrowed it to get a whiff.
LOL
Come on Maura fess up
But I would check with the Crushies, they just might have borrowed it to get a whiff.
LOL
Come on Maura fess up
Am I really going to be first for the first time (I think) on the "Whale Tie Scandal" thread?
It's okay, Laura. We hate that tie.
Just kidding, Governor. :)
Laura, did you think about contacting Governor Dean's mother to see where she got it?
It's okay, Laura. We hate that tie.
Just kidding, Governor. :)
Laura, did you think about contacting Governor Dean's mother to see where she got it?
I want everyone to know that's 2 firsties in 2 days. I may not be around much, but I have impeccable timing. :-))
Another thought on the tie thang, Laura.
Maybe you're looking at stores or sites that are too, um, upscale.
Did you check Syms?
:)
Maybe you're looking at stores or sites that are too, um, upscale.
Did you check Syms?
:)
Laura-
Can't you just call his mother and ask her where she got the tie? I'm sure after hearing your tale she would take pity on you and let you know where you might find another one.
Kathleen
Can't you just call his mother and ask her where she got the tie? I'm sure after hearing your tale she would take pity on you and let you know where you might find another one.
Kathleen
Anderson takes the lead! (62% reporting)
Arthur 'Art' ANDERSON 68,316 50.11%
Theresa LEPORE 67,665 49.64%
WRITE-IN 344 0.25%
Total 136,325 100.00%
Arthur 'Art' ANDERSON 68,316 50.11%
Theresa LEPORE 67,665 49.64%
WRITE-IN 344 0.25%
Total 136,325 100.00%
Laura,
You are very brave to tell this story. I have a feeling that the tie will show up. It seems a little odd that it could just disappear. It isn't valuable like a diamond or cash. So I would think with some serious retracing of your steps you have a wonderful chance of finding it.
How about tucked between a chair cushion or the seat of a car? Or could it be in a pocket of yours or Howard's suitcase? Did you call the studio of Topic A and send out a Blue Whale Tie Alert?
Crushies, put on your thinking caps. Where can Howard's tie be?
Teri Mills
You are very brave to tell this story. I have a feeling that the tie will show up. It seems a little odd that it could just disappear. It isn't valuable like a diamond or cash. So I would think with some serious retracing of your steps you have a wonderful chance of finding it.
How about tucked between a chair cushion or the seat of a car? Or could it be in a pocket of yours or Howard's suitcase? Did you call the studio of Topic A and send out a Blue Whale Tie Alert?
Crushies, put on your thinking caps. Where can Howard's tie be?
Teri Mills
Howard Dean appearance:
Howard Dean speak at the University of Redlands, in Redlands, California, at 7 PM on Labor Day evening, September 6th, 2004. He will appear in the "chapel", which is not really a chapel in the traditional sense, and there is no admission fee. Attendees are advised to show up early.
Msongs
Riverside CA
Howard Dean speak at the University of Redlands, in Redlands, California, at 7 PM on Labor Day evening, September 6th, 2004. He will appear in the "chapel", which is not really a chapel in the traditional sense, and there is no admission fee. Attendees are advised to show up early.
Msongs
Riverside CA
Repost from last, long thread:
Joe Klein just on CNN, firming the rumor that there will be housecleaning in the Kerry camp.
He named Cahill, Frum and one other (didn't hear name) who will be either papered over with another layer or asked to resign.
Klein said Kerry hates to fire people and will often just hire over their heads instead.
This sounds so unpresidential it is pathetic.
Joe Klein is so sneaky at times.
Joe Klein just on CNN, firming the rumor that there will be housecleaning in the Kerry camp.
He named Cahill, Frum and one other (didn't hear name) who will be either papered over with another layer or asked to resign.
Klein said Kerry hates to fire people and will often just hire over their heads instead.
This sounds so unpresidential it is pathetic.
Joe Klein is so sneaky at times.
I just looked at the vineyard vines website- and the light blue whale tie really looks just like the one he's wearing in that photo. Why not order it- if it's wrong just return it:)
The Crushies bought Dean two ties.
We have no reason to steal any. We are far to respectful of the good Governor for that!
We have no reason to steal any. We are far to respectful of the good Governor for that!
All right. Let's show Laura the power of the blog. Find Dean's tie (or an identical replacement) and save Laura's job! We can do it. We have the power!!
Are you up to the challenge?
Are you up to the challenge?
Oh Dear,......That also was one of my favorite of the Guv's ties. I easily recognized the whale pattern. Could I apply for your job? I am a mature woman that would LOVE to do what you do.
--- Log Cabin Republicans will not endorse Bush reelection bid during convention ---
I'm not gay and I'm no Repo, but I may join up with these guys anyway. They know you won't get what you need from politicians unless you're willing to withold your support.
I'm not gay and I'm no Repo, but I may join up with these guys anyway. They know you won't get what you need from politicians unless you're willing to withold your support.
Laura...I am sure you will not be fired over the tie loss...Just feel fortunate it wasn't Charlie's belt or the J C Penny's suit...
The Crushies bought Dean two ties.
We have no reason to steal any. We are far to respectful of the good Governor for that!
Posted by MRTforDean at August 31, 2004 11:55 PM
There you go, misquoting me, I said
"they just might have borrowed it to get a whiff."
I know you guys would return it when all the scent had disapated. LOL
We have no reason to steal any. We are far to respectful of the good Governor for that!
Posted by MRTforDean at August 31, 2004 11:55 PM
There you go, misquoting me, I said
"they just might have borrowed it to get a whiff."
I know you guys would return it when all the scent had disapated. LOL
LOL..been lurking mostly tonight but given this thread's topic I have to say that we sure do have a whale of a time getting our country back :)
osted by Linda in Cincinnati at August 31, 2004 11:52 PM
Is Jomentumn working?
Lieberman rallies support for elections post hopeful
By Josh Mitchell
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Monday, August 30, 2004
U.S. Sen. Joseph Lieberman returned to the home of the election debacle that cost him the vice presidency — this time, to endorse Arthur Anderson's bid to unseat Elections Supervisor Theresa LePore.
During two Democratic Party rallies in Palm Beach County on Sunday, Lieberman urged Democrats to replace the woman he calls responsible for the butterfly ballot that led to the 2000 election controversy.
Is Jomentumn working?
Lieberman rallies support for elections post hopeful
By Josh Mitchell
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Monday, August 30, 2004
U.S. Sen. Joseph Lieberman returned to the home of the election debacle that cost him the vice presidency — this time, to endorse Arthur Anderson's bid to unseat Elections Supervisor Theresa LePore.
During two Democratic Party rallies in Palm Beach County on Sunday, Lieberman urged Democrats to replace the woman he calls responsible for the butterfly ballot that led to the 2000 election controversy.
Posted by Fran in Austin at August 31, 2004 11:49 PM
! ! !
What could be more important than timing?
Especially when you are dancing!
! ! !
What could be more important than timing?
Especially when you are dancing!
--- During two Democratic Party rallies in Palm Beach County on Sunday, Lieberman urged Democrats to replace the woman he calls responsible for the butterfly ballot that led to the 2000 election controversy. ---
Wow! Finally a peep from the old guard about the 2000 election.
Wow! Finally a peep from the old guard about the 2000 election.
On a more serious note..just watched the local evening news here in Michigan's upper peninsula. They asked about seven people on camera who they will be voting for. One solid Bush, one solid Kerry, five undecided, leaning for Kerry but not feeling great about it.
There may not be alot of people living up but it may be a nice weekend roadtrip for some Michiganders, or even some Northern Wisconsin folks. The trees are already turning a nice bright orange and red up here - if anything it's a chance to see some fall colors early.
There may not be alot of people living up but it may be a nice weekend roadtrip for some Michiganders, or even some Northern Wisconsin folks. The trees are already turning a nice bright orange and red up here - if anything it's a chance to see some fall colors early.
Could the tie be at the dry cleaners or in his suit pocket?
Just a couple of idears... I would love to have a tie of Howard's..
LOL Maybe the blogger who gives the clue to help find it gets one of Howard's ties as a reward.... hahaha.
Teri Mills
PS this is so much more fun than watching the rethugs and their BS
Just a couple of idears... I would love to have a tie of Howard's..
LOL Maybe the blogger who gives the clue to help find it gets one of Howard's ties as a reward.... hahaha.
Teri Mills
PS this is so much more fun than watching the rethugs and their BS
men generally don't marry women who are significantly smarter than them. Think about that for a second. Wait for it. Here it is - she is the one person in Washington DC dumber than Shrub.
Posted by Oscar at August 31, 2004 11:43 PM
<<
Hello Oscar.
I’ll ignore the comments on The First Lady…but men who don’t date and eventually marry women who are as smart or smarter then they are really insecure. They joy in life is not the catch but the chase and if the chase goes on all your life then so does the joy.
The ultimate joy for an aggressive man is to be able to say that you hold your own…with an aggressive woman. That’s the ultimate “muscle car”.
Robert G. Oler
Posted by Oscar at August 31, 2004 11:43 PM
<<
Hello Oscar.
I’ll ignore the comments on The First Lady…but men who don’t date and eventually marry women who are as smart or smarter then they are really insecure. They joy in life is not the catch but the chase and if the chase goes on all your life then so does the joy.
The ultimate joy for an aggressive man is to be able to say that you hold your own…with an aggressive woman. That’s the ultimate “muscle car”.
Robert G. Oler
DailyKos was mentioned tonight on one of the channels as one of the blogs (both conservative and liberal) that panned the Bush twins.
It is weird to see TV getting its news from the blog but also, I believe entirely appropriate.
So I went over to Kos to see whether they were dissecting the murmuring news that Kerry's campaign staff is undergoing some changes and I got distracted by the top thread, which was discussing the dearth of Democratic rebuttal or rapid response on TV to the speeches tonight.
I thought it was just me, but I guess it's not. There was a consensus that agreed with my perception that there was a clear lack of adequate Democratic presence on the TV channels tonight.
During the Democratic Convention, the channels were lousy with avid Republicans, eager to whittle away at the speeches and insert GOP frames onto everything happening.
Where is Kerry's rapid response team? Is that part of the problem being cleaned up in their campaign?
It is weird to see TV getting its news from the blog but also, I believe entirely appropriate.
So I went over to Kos to see whether they were dissecting the murmuring news that Kerry's campaign staff is undergoing some changes and I got distracted by the top thread, which was discussing the dearth of Democratic rebuttal or rapid response on TV to the speeches tonight.
I thought it was just me, but I guess it's not. There was a consensus that agreed with my perception that there was a clear lack of adequate Democratic presence on the TV channels tonight.
During the Democratic Convention, the channels were lousy with avid Republicans, eager to whittle away at the speeches and insert GOP frames onto everything happening.
Where is Kerry's rapid response team? Is that part of the problem being cleaned up in their campaign?
--- My second thought is, you realize, of course, that you are just *asking* to get inundated with ties at HQ now ---
We all know Dean's too cheap to BUY a new one.
We all know Dean's too cheap to BUY a new one.
--- Where is Kerry's rapid response team? ---
After his successful smear campaign against Dean you'd think he would have been the first to realize the need to have one up and running long ago.
I begged Dean's HQ to do that last year...sigh.
After his successful smear campaign against Dean you'd think he would have been the first to realize the need to have one up and running long ago.
I begged Dean's HQ to do that last year...sigh.
--- men who don’t date and eventually marry women who are as smart or smarter then they are really insecure ---
[no comment]
[no comment]
--- discussion of God, faith and how those will get Bush into office. ---
Bush counting on god to keep him in office is as dumb as Kerry counting on swing voters to get him into it.
Bush counting on god to keep him in office is as dumb as Kerry counting on swing voters to get him into it.
....men generally don't marry women who are significantly smarter than them....
Posted by Oscar at August 31, 2004 11:43 PM
You underestimate woman, not all of them let you know.
Posted by sunlight at August 31, 2004 11:54 PM
Posted by Oscar at August 31, 2004 11:43 PM
You underestimate woman, not all of them let you know.
Posted by sunlight at August 31, 2004 11:54 PM
"Muscle car" roll call. Ladies, start your engines
(geez Oler...)
(geez Oler...)
The ultimate joy for an aggressive man is to be able to say that you hold your own?with an aggressive woman. That?s the ultimate ?muscle car?.
Robert G. Oler
Posted by: rocket at September 1, 2004 12:08 AM
Musclecar?
More like musclehead.
Robert G. Oler
Posted by: rocket at September 1, 2004 12:08 AM
Musclecar?
More like musclehead.
Good grief, Oler.
Women = muscle cars?
Watch out for your pit boss, Oler, he's got his hands all over your lady's pistons.
Are you trying to be deliberately offensive or are you just dense?
Women = muscle cars?
Watch out for your pit boss, Oler, he's got his hands all over your lady's pistons.
Are you trying to be deliberately offensive or are you just dense?
The Dean Whale Tie Rapid Response Team is off and running!
Well, Laura, as Laura Ingalls Wilder said,
"There's no great loss without some small gain."
How good of you to (albeit inadvertently) bring some humour to the DFA staffers and bloggers. This is a good week to have some levity.
Thanks for your, er, sacrifice for our sakes.
Now! Fear not! The blog resources are at your fingertips and that tie (or at very least its identical copy) will be found!
Now, keep this in mind for future use:
Next time, blog first!
LOL
Anyway, we absolve you! ♥
Well, Laura, as Laura Ingalls Wilder said,
"There's no great loss without some small gain."
How good of you to (albeit inadvertently) bring some humour to the DFA staffers and bloggers. This is a good week to have some levity.
Thanks for your, er, sacrifice for our sakes.
Now! Fear not! The blog resources are at your fingertips and that tie (or at very least its identical copy) will be found!
Now, keep this in mind for future use:
Next time, blog first!
LOL
Anyway, we absolve you! ♥
Checked your Whale Tie Site Patricia, the first one comes close but still isn't exactly like the missing one. The missing tie didn't have fins on the whales. I still want to apply for the job of being the dutiful staff person who keeps track of Gov. Dean during his travels, or at any time.
Has anyone heard how Betty Castor is doing in the Florida vote for Senate?
Has anyone heard how Betty Castor is doing in the Florida vote for Senate?
Well, kids, I must say good night.
I need to go get a lube job, then idle awhile before I have to get up and feed my little Subaru's.
They like a little warm oil and some low lead gas before I send them off to school in the morning.
VVVRRROOOM and Peace.
I need to go get a lube job, then idle awhile before I have to get up and feed my little Subaru's.
They like a little warm oil and some low lead gas before I send them off to school in the morning.
VVVRRROOOM and Peace.
Listener--don't know if you saw it in the last thread, but thanks so much for the help today.
D'y'know what's really funny?
All this time I thought the blue whale tie
was one of the ties given to Howard
by the Crushies!
All this time I thought the blue whale tie
was one of the ties given to Howard
by the Crushies!
Speaking of keeping track of the Guv's wardrobe, did you notice that there was a tear in the lining of his black suit jacket on the right side and that the white lining was hanging below the hem? He wore this suit on 5 August.
Hallo Renee!
I'll go back and look in a minute. :)
I just felt this was very important.
First Kimmy; then Page; then you?
I couldn't have slept knowing there was some
small thing I really could do to help.
We have to make sure this doesn't keep on keeping on.
It was totally my pleasure.
And I had the treat of meeting Joe Rospars!
He's really a sweetie, and was concerned for you.
♥
I'll go back and look in a minute. :)
I just felt this was very important.
First Kimmy; then Page; then you?
I couldn't have slept knowing there was some
small thing I really could do to help.
We have to make sure this doesn't keep on keeping on.
It was totally my pleasure.
And I had the treat of meeting Joe Rospars!
He's really a sweetie, and was concerned for you.
♥
Evening everyone.
Well, against my better judgment, I'm watching the speech repeats on C-Span. Ahhhnold's speech just ended.
Ugh...where are my Tums?
Well, against my better judgment, I'm watching the speech repeats on C-Span. Ahhhnold's speech just ended.
Ugh...where are my Tums?
Posted by Marcia - at September 1, 2004 12:32 AM
Gosh, Marcia!
If that's not tongue-in-cheek, then I nominate you
as official Dean wardrobe person!
Laura! You could have an assistant here!
Gosh, Marcia!
If that's not tongue-in-cheek, then I nominate you
as official Dean wardrobe person!
Laura! You could have an assistant here!
Hi NM*Mom!
Wait until they get to Laura Bush's speech!
My favourite part is where she gives the Republican Party credit for ending slavery and
getting women the right to vote!
What?
Wait until they get to Laura Bush's speech!
My favourite part is where she gives the Republican Party credit for ending slavery and
getting women the right to vote!
What?
"men who don’t date and eventually marry women who are as smart or smarter then they are really insecure"
I would generally agree, while stating that IMO that is also the norm...
I would generally agree, while stating that IMO that is also the norm...
Are you trying to be deliberately offensive or are you just dense?
Posted by Patricia Taylor at September 1, 2004 12:24 AM<<
Hello: Really. Guys like muscle cars big ones with big engines ones that are hard to control (try a Fiero with a 456 in it).
When you find a woman who likes more horsepower in a vehicle than you think you can handle well thats pretty neat. Ever seen a pilot put a C-130 on an aircraft carrier?
Now wait until you see the helmet come off and the aviator is a woman and quite attractive---and here is the kicker...she is in love with you.
Not every guy gets to fall in love with a woman who can handle airplanes (the ultimate muscle car) at least as good as he can. Most guys are to insecure for that...
The odd thing is most women are very insecure around a woman who can take a C-130 and take it on and off the boat. They cannot compete.
Robert G. Oler
Posted by Patricia Taylor at September 1, 2004 12:24 AM<<
Hello: Really. Guys like muscle cars big ones with big engines ones that are hard to control (try a Fiero with a 456 in it).
When you find a woman who likes more horsepower in a vehicle than you think you can handle well thats pretty neat. Ever seen a pilot put a C-130 on an aircraft carrier?
Now wait until you see the helmet come off and the aviator is a woman and quite attractive---and here is the kicker...she is in love with you.
Not every guy gets to fall in love with a woman who can handle airplanes (the ultimate muscle car) at least as good as he can. Most guys are to insecure for that...
The odd thing is most women are very insecure around a woman who can take a C-130 and take it on and off the boat. They cannot compete.
Robert G. Oler
Posted by Oscar at August 31, 2004 09:41 PM
Oooh Oscar! I just saw this.
Prayers ensuing!!! :)
Oooh Oscar! I just saw this.
Prayers ensuing!!! :)
Laura, since you have a gift for losing ties, it would be nice if you could lose that red one with the jelly beans on it he keeps wearing. I hate that tie so much, I don't even want to smell it!
Bush twins tittering now...need more Tums. What a couple of snotty little twits.
Laura - If you like I'll send some from hubby's closet. Some really nice ones - no Vineyard Vines but hey it's worth a shot! And they're free.
You're right, Marcia, about the fins on the tie on the Whale site.
Good tie eye!
Laura -
Could his mother have bought this tie in Sag Harbor, NY?
This used to be a whaling community.
Good tie eye!
Laura -
Could his mother have bought this tie in Sag Harbor, NY?
This used to be a whaling community.
Posted by sunlight at August 31, 2004 11:54 PM
Hence the "generally" - women have been working relationships for a *very* long time, and men *generally* don't pay that much attention to relational issues, so we can't say *why* we don't dig someone (could never admit being intimidated, you know), but men generally shy away from women who are clearly intellectually superior to them. Really broad brush, but generally true from what I've seen and read.
Thus, Bush had to marry someone who probaly went to school on a short bus - just like him...
Hence the "generally" - women have been working relationships for a *very* long time, and men *generally* don't pay that much attention to relational issues, so we can't say *why* we don't dig someone (could never admit being intimidated, you know), but men generally shy away from women who are clearly intellectually superior to them. Really broad brush, but generally true from what I've seen and read.
Thus, Bush had to marry someone who probaly went to school on a short bus - just like him...
I would generally agree, while stating that IMO that is also the norm...
Posted by Oscar at September 1, 2004 12:38 AM<<
Hello Oscar.
That is really to bad--but I agree. I find people who ask me "I dont like Hillary because she hangs with Bill"...all I do is shrug my shoulders...the two of them seem a natural pair to me. both bright, strong, and warriors.
Many women dont like Hillary because while they like to think of themselves as "strong" they really are not...and she is.
Robert G. Oler
Posted by Oscar at September 1, 2004 12:38 AM<<
Hello Oscar.
That is really to bad--but I agree. I find people who ask me "I dont like Hillary because she hangs with Bill"...all I do is shrug my shoulders...the two of them seem a natural pair to me. both bright, strong, and warriors.
Many women dont like Hillary because while they like to think of themselves as "strong" they really are not...and she is.
Robert G. Oler
You lost his tie?? Fie, fie!
Poor Dean!
... it just up and vanished?
Betcha some souvenir hound picked it up. Checked eBay?
(runs off to go check eBay for the tie)
Poor Dean!
... it just up and vanished?
Betcha some souvenir hound picked it up. Checked eBay?
(runs off to go check eBay for the tie)
Anderson pulling away- with 80% reporting:
Arthur 'Art' ANDERSON 87,186 51.35%
Theresa LEPORE 82,195 48.41%
WRITE-IN 395 0.23%
Total 169,776 100.00%
Lieberman's support of Anderson just proves the adage about stopped clocks being right twice a day.
Arthur 'Art' ANDERSON 87,186 51.35%
Theresa LEPORE 82,195 48.41%
WRITE-IN 395 0.23%
Total 169,776 100.00%
Lieberman's support of Anderson just proves the adage about stopped clocks being right twice a day.
Hey! Good thinking, starlight!
Laura! If you ever have chance to get close enough,
see if you can steal that horrid pink tie of Kerry's. Okay?
It could save the election!
Laura! If you ever have chance to get close enough,
see if you can steal that horrid pink tie of Kerry's. Okay?
It could save the election!
Oh Pardon!!!
Laura, nothing implied HONEST!
I really should have asked for you to
LOSE Kerry's pink tie.
That truly was my thinking.
XOXOXXX
Laura, nothing implied HONEST!
I really should have asked for you to
LOSE Kerry's pink tie.
That truly was my thinking.
XOXOXXX
Anderson???
Go Go Anderson!!!!
Palast just emailed me a bulletin about LePore counting the absentee ballots in her favor. Hope her skulduggery doesn't succeed!
Go Go Anderson!!!!
Palast just emailed me a bulletin about LePore counting the absentee ballots in her favor. Hope her skulduggery doesn't succeed!
Posted by Oscar at September 1, 2004 12:44 AM
I have reason to know something about these things, Oscar,
and I have no doubt that you are going to be a "smoker."
:)
I have reason to know something about these things, Oscar,
and I have no doubt that you are going to be a "smoker."
:)
Laura Bush speaking now. I can feel the bile starting to back up into my throat...
Oh, oh. TieGate. That's going to knock the Republican National Convention off the front page!
Dean is first, with or without his tie,
But I would check with the Crushies, they just might have borrowed it to get a whiff.
LOL
Come on Maura fess up
Posted by Vicki upstate Ny at August 31, 2004 11:46 PM
Just what IS it with the Crushies and the scent of the man?
But I would check with the Crushies, they just might have borrowed it to get a whiff.
LOL
Come on Maura fess up
Posted by Vicki upstate Ny at August 31, 2004 11:46 PM
Just what IS it with the Crushies and the scent of the man?
Wow, Laura,
Some of those silk ties are kind pricey.
Let us know if you need us to put up a tie bat!
Might have to have a batter wearing a tux, though.
LOL
Some of those silk ties are kind pricey.
Let us know if you need us to put up a tie bat!
Might have to have a batter wearing a tux, though.
LOL
OK, wait a minute. Something is not right here. How can a person be holding 3 ties and lose just ONE of them?????
I'm thinking right-wing conspiracy.
I'm thinking right-wing conspiracy.
Posted by: rocket at September 1, 2004 12:39 AM
Okay, Mr. Oler. I take it back that you were trying to be provocative. It's clear you're operating from a very personal paradigm in your statement equating women with cars. As is, it seems, Oscar.
I've learned not to question people's motives so closely.
Now, before I go, this from Nausea (spoken of above, in connection to the Republican Nauseating Convention) written by Jean-Paul. Sartre.
A fitting book for these times, I think:
"People who live in society have learned to see themselves in mirrors as they appear to their friends. Is that why my flesh is naked? You might say - yes you might say, nature without humanity… Things are bad! Things are very bad: I have it, the filth, the Nausea."
Okay, Mr. Oler. I take it back that you were trying to be provocative. It's clear you're operating from a very personal paradigm in your statement equating women with cars. As is, it seems, Oscar.
I've learned not to question people's motives so closely.
Now, before I go, this from Nausea (spoken of above, in connection to the Republican Nauseating Convention) written by Jean-Paul. Sartre.
A fitting book for these times, I think:
"People who live in society have learned to see themselves in mirrors as they appear to their friends. Is that why my flesh is naked? You might say - yes you might say, nature without humanity… Things are bad! Things are very bad: I have it, the filth, the Nausea."
I thought the tie with the yellow smiley faces was the Gov's favorite. Where did I go so wrong?
Posted by NM*Mom*for*Dean at September 1, 2004 12:51 AM
Wait! This is the good part! Listen for when she gives the Republicans credit for Democratic victories! Jon Stewart could do a whole show on that speech!
But let's take pity. She married George when she had only known him for THREE MONTHS! She does the Stepford thing remarkably well, doesn't she?
Wait! This is the good part! Listen for when she gives the Republicans credit for Democratic victories! Jon Stewart could do a whole show on that speech!
But let's take pity. She married George when she had only known him for THREE MONTHS! She does the Stepford thing remarkably well, doesn't she?
Okay. Can't take it anymore. Turning off C-Span.
Now, I have to think happy thoughts so I can get to sleep tonight.
Clouds, ice cream, bunnies, Howard...
Now, I have to think happy thoughts so I can get to sleep tonight.
Clouds, ice cream, bunnies, Howard...
"Watch out for your pit boss, Oler, he's got his hands all over your lady's pistons.
...
Posted by Patricia Taylor at September 1, 2004 12:24 AM"
AAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!
(Desperately muffling screams of laughter so as to not wake up the neighbors)
LOLOLOLOLOLOL!
...
Yes, *I* am a musclecar. Or lioness. Something like that.
...
Posted by Patricia Taylor at September 1, 2004 12:24 AM"
AAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!
(Desperately muffling screams of laughter so as to not wake up the neighbors)
LOLOLOLOLOLOL!
...
Yes, *I* am a musclecar. Or lioness. Something like that.
All you people watching the Rethuglican Convention, I have a question:
Why??
You could conserve energy, turn off the TV, and just hit yourself repeatedly in the head with a mallet. It would be just as good for you.
Why??
You could conserve energy, turn off the TV, and just hit yourself repeatedly in the head with a mallet. It would be just as good for you.
Look, Democrat donkeys tie!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2995&item=8118749190&tc=photo#ebayphotohosting
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Gov. Dean really looked good the night he hosted that TV show. His tie wasn't even slightly crooked at the top towards his left.
Liked the tie he had on too.
Spooky new swift boat ads running now. Like they tampered with Kerry's voice.
I am glad there might be a shake-up in the Kerry
campaign. MSNBC has no one representing Dems tonight. Trippi was on last night. People were holding up signs last night also. They got rid of the people holding signs and dems spokesman.
People were holding anti-Bush signs outside the window. The very fair media got rid of that fast.
Liked the tie he had on too.
Spooky new swift boat ads running now. Like they tampered with Kerry's voice.
I am glad there might be a shake-up in the Kerry
campaign. MSNBC has no one representing Dems tonight. Trippi was on last night. People were holding up signs last night also. They got rid of the people holding signs and dems spokesman.
People were holding anti-Bush signs outside the window. The very fair media got rid of that fast.
"The odd thing is most women are very insecure around a woman who can take a C-130 and take it on and off the boat. They cannot compete.
Robert G. Oler
Posted by rocket at September 1, 2004 12:39 AM"
C-130 *carrier landings*???
Dayum.
I know the '130 has a short takeoff and landing distance, but... dayum.
Robert G. Oler
Posted by rocket at September 1, 2004 12:39 AM"
C-130 *carrier landings*???
Dayum.
I know the '130 has a short takeoff and landing distance, but... dayum.
Laura, I know this sound nutsy, but it has always worked for me:
Please St. Anthony
Look around,
Something's lost
That must be found!
Seems to work whether you believe it or not, LOL!
Please St. Anthony
Look around,
Something's lost
That must be found!
Seems to work whether you believe it or not, LOL!
"Many women dont like Hillary because while they like to think of themselves as "strong" they really are not...and she is.
Robert G. Oler
Posted by rocket at September 1, 2004 12:43 AM"
You are definitely onto something there.
Robert G. Oler
Posted by rocket at September 1, 2004 12:43 AM"
You are definitely onto something there.
Posted by Patricia Taylor at September 1, 2004 12:57 AM
Actually, I was agreeing about the insecurity issue without mentioning the car parallel, but if you truly understand how many if not most men see their car as an extension of themselves, to be compared to a car is actually highly complimentary, from a guy's perspective. In some relationships the guy's car gets *much* more attention than the woman - not that that's in any way healthy, right, or good, but I'm just saying. Just some perspective. I also realize that some will absolutely object to a woman being compared to *any* inanimate object, and if I offended then I do apologize - I meant no offense.
Actually, I was agreeing about the insecurity issue without mentioning the car parallel, but if you truly understand how many if not most men see their car as an extension of themselves, to be compared to a car is actually highly complimentary, from a guy's perspective. In some relationships the guy's car gets *much* more attention than the woman - not that that's in any way healthy, right, or good, but I'm just saying. Just some perspective. I also realize that some will absolutely object to a woman being compared to *any* inanimate object, and if I offended then I do apologize - I meant no offense.
260 people arrested today demonstrating in NYC.
"The odd thing is most women are very insecure around a woman who can take a C-130 and take it on and off the boat. They cannot compete.
Robert G. Oler
Posted by rocket at September 1, 2004 12:39 AM"
Oh, brother. Frankly, Oler, I don't think you know anything about "most women."
Robert G. Oler
Posted by rocket at September 1, 2004 12:39 AM"
Oh, brother. Frankly, Oler, I don't think you know anything about "most women."
Oscar -
I know you didn't mean to offend anyone and I'm assuming Mr. Oler didn't. Seriously.
I am one of those aggressive (I prefer to use the term assertive) woman who's married to a man who is nearly as smart as I am.
We both dated a lot and then lived together for years before we married each other.
He drives a Lexus. I drive him nuts.
I know you didn't mean to offend anyone and I'm assuming Mr. Oler didn't. Seriously.
I am one of those aggressive (I prefer to use the term assertive) woman who's married to a man who is nearly as smart as I am.
We both dated a lot and then lived together for years before we married each other.
He drives a Lexus. I drive him nuts.
Sorry Metaliandy, That still isn't the right tie. The missing tie had simple fat whales with no eyes,or fins. Just simple light blue fat spouting whales with uplifting tails on a dark blue background.
"Posted by Smeagol at September 1, 2004 01:01 AM"
AAAaaaaaaaaaaaghh, I'm banging my head on my keyboard here....!!!!! LOL
AAAaaaaaaaaaaaghh, I'm banging my head on my keyboard here....!!!!! LOL
This is good copy for anyone's conversation with dreaded conservatives, door-to-door canvassing, or letters to the editor:
A Day in the Life of Joe Middle-Class Republican
Joe gets up at 6:00 AM to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot with good, clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards. He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and that they work as advertised.
All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan. Because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance, now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast -- bacon and eggs this day. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.
Joe takes his morning shower, reaching for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount that is contains because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and the breakdown of its contents. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree-hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.
Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, medicals benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer meets these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he'll get worker's compensation or an unemployment check because some liberal didn't think he should loose his home to temporary misfortune.
It's noon time. Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the depression.
Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten mortgage and his below market federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime.
Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to dads; his car is among the safest in the world because some liberal fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electric until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification (those rural Republican's would still be sitting in the dark).
Joe is happy to see his dad, who is now retired. Joe's dad lives on Social Security and his union pension because some liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to. After his visit with dad, Joe gets back in his car for the ride home. He turns on a radio talk show. The host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't tell Joe that his beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees, "We don't need those big government liberals ruining our lives. After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."
In the years to come, Joe's life will change dramatically. The U.S. dollar will be devalued as a result of our huge deficit, our living standards demolished, our standing with the world diminished and our social security gone...all because some conservative republican made sure he could take care of himself and his buddies.
Aghast, i remain...
-jonathon
A Day in the Life of Joe Middle-Class Republican
Joe gets up at 6:00 AM to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot with good, clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards. He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and that they work as advertised.
All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan. Because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance, now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast -- bacon and eggs this day. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.
Joe takes his morning shower, reaching for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount that is contains because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and the breakdown of its contents. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree-hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.
Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, medicals benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer meets these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he'll get worker's compensation or an unemployment check because some liberal didn't think he should loose his home to temporary misfortune.
It's noon time. Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the depression.
Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten mortgage and his below market federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime.
Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to dads; his car is among the safest in the world because some liberal fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electric until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification (those rural Republican's would still be sitting in the dark).
Joe is happy to see his dad, who is now retired. Joe's dad lives on Social Security and his union pension because some liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to. After his visit with dad, Joe gets back in his car for the ride home. He turns on a radio talk show. The host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't tell Joe that his beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees, "We don't need those big government liberals ruining our lives. After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."
In the years to come, Joe's life will change dramatically. The U.S. dollar will be devalued as a result of our huge deficit, our living standards demolished, our standing with the world diminished and our social security gone...all because some conservative republican made sure he could take care of himself and his buddies.
Aghast, i remain...
-jonathon
Arnold is a fading star of violent movies.
He tried to have the animals at the shelters killed before there previous time. He wanted to save money at shelter by having pets killed a couple of days sooner. Yes he really loves puppy
dogs and kitty cats.
Arnold remains me of shades of Hitler. Of course
his father was a Nazi.
Arnold sexually harasses women who he worked with.
He wasn't faithful to his wife. What a guy. Great family values.
He tried to have the animals at the shelters killed before there previous time. He wanted to save money at shelter by having pets killed a couple of days sooner. Yes he really loves puppy
dogs and kitty cats.
Arnold remains me of shades of Hitler. Of course
his father was a Nazi.
Arnold sexually harasses women who he worked with.
He wasn't faithful to his wife. What a guy. Great family values.
I am thoroughly convinced that John Kerry will loose this election. Shame on establishment Democrats. We have two Catchall parties going head to head, when that happens people look for a clear difference, that difference lies with Bush. Sure he's wrong but he's wrong with strong conviction. He's the clear difference.
Shame on you DNC, shame on you New Democrats, shame on you John Kerry, when will the masses ever hear of your accomplishments in the Senate?
I suspect another four years of Bush might actually scare the Democrats into taking a real stand.
Shame on you DNC, shame on you New Democrats, shame on you John Kerry, when will the masses ever hear of your accomplishments in the Senate?
I suspect another four years of Bush might actually scare the Democrats into taking a real stand.
Fifty bucks for a tie? Are we sure that site isn't selling REPO ties? We wouldn't want to hang one of those around Howard's neck.
I say let's quit trying to save the whales and look for another motif.
Salmon would be perfect: Known for their indomitability in swimming upstream against the current.
Nobody had better say this is a fishy idea.
I say let's quit trying to save the whales and look for another motif.
Salmon would be perfect: Known for their indomitability in swimming upstream against the current.
Nobody had better say this is a fishy idea.
Hi all - Totally off topic, but I have no clue where to find that tie.
I used to be here alot, and am still involved hevily with DFA, but putting more online energy elseware till after the election.
I am going to assume that you have all been talking about THE COMPLETE LACK OF RESPONSE from the Democrats last night and tonight on any channel. If you are as pissed as me and want answers, Please
*Don't Wait until tomorrow*
Call the DNC right now and leave a message. Let them know if they expect our support, they need to start doing their F^#%ing job.
Main Phone Number:
202-863-8000
I just left a message with the communication department (Dial 6).
Or
1-If you know a last name
2-chairman - T.Mac.
3-COO
4-CFO
8-Political?
Call Now!!!!
I would love for them to come back to full voicemails tomorrow.
I left another message for TM. Left my name and phone number and asked someone to get back with me.
I used to be here alot, and am still involved hevily with DFA, but putting more online energy elseware till after the election.
I am going to assume that you have all been talking about THE COMPLETE LACK OF RESPONSE from the Democrats last night and tonight on any channel. If you are as pissed as me and want answers, Please
*Don't Wait until tomorrow*
Call the DNC right now and leave a message. Let them know if they expect our support, they need to start doing their F^#%ing job.
Main Phone Number:
202-863-8000
I just left a message with the communication department (Dial 6).
Or
1-If you know a last name
2-chairman - T.Mac.
3-COO
4-CFO
8-Political?
Call Now!!!!
I would love for them to come back to full voicemails tomorrow.
I left another message for TM. Left my name and phone number and asked someone to get back with me.
Posted by Vicki upstate Ny at August 31, 2004 11:46 PM
Wait a minute...I go away from the blog for a day and come back to be implicated in Tie-Gate??? ;-) Whatever day it happened, I'm sure I have an airtight alibi.
(And just to clarify -- personally, I'd not be particularly interested in stealing the Gov's favorite tie to capture his scent for a short while. Holding it hostage in exchange for an opportunity to see him in person, though...well, I might not be above that! But I've got an alibi, I swear!)
In other news, I sure do hope that Arthur Anderson pulls this one through. It would be a great triumph for all of us if Rob MacKenna, Arthur Anderson, and Betty Castor all won tonight!
Laura and Joe - thanks for the "human interest" stories the last couple of days. :-)
Wait a minute...I go away from the blog for a day and come back to be implicated in Tie-Gate??? ;-) Whatever day it happened, I'm sure I have an airtight alibi.
(And just to clarify -- personally, I'd not be particularly interested in stealing the Gov's favorite tie to capture his scent for a short while. Holding it hostage in exchange for an opportunity to see him in person, though...well, I might not be above that! But I've got an alibi, I swear!)
In other news, I sure do hope that Arthur Anderson pulls this one through. It would be a great triumph for all of us if Rob MacKenna, Arthur Anderson, and Betty Castor all won tonight!
Laura and Joe - thanks for the "human interest" stories the last couple of days. :-)
G'nite all.
It's been fun.
Thanks, Laura!
Now, we'll need a daily update on the tie search.
Everybody keep a sharp eye out.
(My hunch is that it's between two cushions somewhere.)
It's been fun.
Thanks, Laura!
Now, we'll need a daily update on the tie search.
Everybody keep a sharp eye out.
(My hunch is that it's between two cushions somewhere.)
Women = muscle cars?
or are you just dense?
Posted by Patricia Taylor at September 1, 2004 12:24 AM
Oler may be attempting to lampoon the male mid-life crisis.
or are you just dense?
Posted by Patricia Taylor at September 1, 2004 12:24 AM
Oler may be attempting to lampoon the male mid-life crisis.
Kerry mess makes Gov Dean scream look like a
walk in the park.
The media takes everything out of context. They
are so rep.
I personally liked the scream.
Couldn't Kerry see this coming? He needs an a Carvelle out there for his campaign. His campaign was on yesterday from headquarters and the women who talked, looked all ruffled.
The book I read said that the most important thing a candidate has to have, even before the campaign starts is an excellent campaign manager and staff.
Too bad the Rep never mention the huge deficits.
One-third of 1.3 trillion dollars the Gov take in
to debt repayment. If interests go up, the government income could go to debt repayment.
The deficit is about 500 billion plus the 200 billion they borrow from social security each year. They borrow a billion dollars everyday from
other nations. We are worlds largest debtor nation.
walk in the park.
The media takes everything out of context. They
are so rep.
I personally liked the scream.
Couldn't Kerry see this coming? He needs an a Carvelle out there for his campaign. His campaign was on yesterday from headquarters and the women who talked, looked all ruffled.
The book I read said that the most important thing a candidate has to have, even before the campaign starts is an excellent campaign manager and staff.
Too bad the Rep never mention the huge deficits.
One-third of 1.3 trillion dollars the Gov take in
to debt repayment. If interests go up, the government income could go to debt repayment.
The deficit is about 500 billion plus the 200 billion they borrow from social security each year. They borrow a billion dollars everyday from
other nations. We are worlds largest debtor nation.
There are a few reasons I don't like Hillary. Also don't like Laura Bush for being a weak weenie.
Hill stayed with someone who cheated for many years. There's something called trust. It's not just about the sex.
Hill didn't set a good example for Chelsea by staying with said louse. Would have shown more strength to leave Bill IMO.
Major component of a happy marriage, at least in my old fashioned book, is trust. Scruples and morals count for something to me anyway. A cheating spouse is a lying spouse.
Hill stayed with someone who cheated for many years. There's something called trust. It's not just about the sex.
Hill didn't set a good example for Chelsea by staying with said louse. Would have shown more strength to leave Bill IMO.
Major component of a happy marriage, at least in my old fashioned book, is trust. Scruples and morals count for something to me anyway. A cheating spouse is a lying spouse.
I was gonna pile onto the DLC phone line also, but then I thought, "wait a minute".
Is the lack of Democrats on the media the fault of the Democrats, or the fault of the media? How many times, in how many ways, have we seen the media bias their coverage in favor of the Rethuglicans? On this very thread someone posted about the media cutting away from anti-Bush protestors holding signs up in the window. How well I remember CNN and MSNBC cutting away in haste from Gov. Dean's February 18 speech when he said, "it is inevitable that we will win." Renee and Demetrius posted the other night how Demetrius was going to be on a radio interview-- then the station canceled it at the last minute and put on some Kerry squab who was so soft he couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag.
I really have to think part of it is the media keeping strong Democratic spokespeople off the air, and then hand-picking invertebrates like Alan Colmes so they can make the Democrats look weak and spineless.
Is the lack of Democrats on the media the fault of the Democrats, or the fault of the media? How many times, in how many ways, have we seen the media bias their coverage in favor of the Rethuglicans? On this very thread someone posted about the media cutting away from anti-Bush protestors holding signs up in the window. How well I remember CNN and MSNBC cutting away in haste from Gov. Dean's February 18 speech when he said, "it is inevitable that we will win." Renee and Demetrius posted the other night how Demetrius was going to be on a radio interview-- then the station canceled it at the last minute and put on some Kerry squab who was so soft he couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag.
I really have to think part of it is the media keeping strong Democratic spokespeople off the air, and then hand-picking invertebrates like Alan Colmes so they can make the Democrats look weak and spineless.
I really have to think part of it is the media keeping strong Democratic spokespeople off the air, and then hand-picking invertebrates like Alan Colmes so they can make the Democrats look weak and spineless.
Posted by Dean*Nut*in*Sandy*Eigo*seein*** at September 1, 2004 01:37 AM
Remember the good ole' days when CNN had reasonable Democrats guest and wacko fringe wingnuts.
Oh, how times have changed.
CNN is now evil incarnate.
Posted by Dean*Nut*in*Sandy*Eigo*seein*** at September 1, 2004 01:37 AM
Remember the good ole' days when CNN had reasonable Democrats guest and wacko fringe wingnuts.
Oh, how times have changed.
CNN is now evil incarnate.
He he. Thanks, Laura. That was too amazing.
We can all learn from this. It was just like a good political stump speech... Look at the way she used the human interest story (her own) to really get us wrapped up in the story - and bam! Now we all want to contribute a new tie! Even better? We feel for Laura and her pain, rather than dwelling on the fact that she lost Gov. Dean's tie. Brilliant!
Seriously, though. Love the change of pace. Keep those blogs coming.
Now get that man a tie - I want him to be well-dressed when he comes out here for the PSR dinner. :)
- B
PS: I would still go check Tom M's coat pocket to make sure he didn't snag it for himself...
We can all learn from this. It was just like a good political stump speech... Look at the way she used the human interest story (her own) to really get us wrapped up in the story - and bam! Now we all want to contribute a new tie! Even better? We feel for Laura and her pain, rather than dwelling on the fact that she lost Gov. Dean's tie. Brilliant!
Seriously, though. Love the change of pace. Keep those blogs coming.
Now get that man a tie - I want him to be well-dressed when he comes out here for the PSR dinner. :)
- B
PS: I would still go check Tom M's coat pocket to make sure he didn't snag it for himself...
Hey, I just realized that picture of Dean that went along with Laura's post is one that **I** took!
Maura, that's a lovely picture. He looks positively wistful... can you blame him? I don't.
Posted by Becca at September 1, 2004 01:40 AM
For that matter, maybe we should check John Kerry's pocket...he's stolen all of Dean's other good stuff!
(Ba-dum-BUM!)
Sorry, couldn't resist. ;-)
For that matter, maybe we should check John Kerry's pocket...he's stolen all of Dean's other good stuff!
(Ba-dum-BUM!)
Sorry, couldn't resist. ;-)
I still think we should call headquaters.
The dems had no one on After Hours tonight.
Ron Reagan is doing the work for the DEms talking
to Rep. The Rep are trying to tell the Dems how to win.
The dems had no one on After Hours tonight.
Ron Reagan is doing the work for the DEms talking
to Rep. The Rep are trying to tell the Dems how to win.
Dean Nut - yep, that's my favorite pic I've ever taken of Dean!
That was taken when he spoke outside the Take Back America conference in Boston to the crowd of over 1,000 of us who couldn't get inside after waiting in line for a couple of hours. Many of us outside were die-hard Dean fans, but I spoke with others who weren't huge Dean supporters in the primary who were won over by how thoughtful and generous it was for him to come out and spend time with people who had waited so long to see him. I know his shedule was impossibly busy during convention week, so it was really great for him to come outside to address a 2nd audience.
That was taken when he spoke outside the Take Back America conference in Boston to the crowd of over 1,000 of us who couldn't get inside after waiting in line for a couple of hours. Many of us outside were die-hard Dean fans, but I spoke with others who weren't huge Dean supporters in the primary who were won over by how thoughtful and generous it was for him to come out and spend time with people who had waited so long to see him. I know his shedule was impossibly busy during convention week, so it was really great for him to come outside to address a 2nd audience.
"Posted by mataliandy at September 1, 2004 01:38 AM
"
Bing-- I'm sure that's the design.
The 'Navy' one looks the closest-- but the one on the tie-vendor's website appears to have a bit darker background than the one Gov. Dean is wearing in Maura's photo from Boston.
Either his was washed and faded a bit, or he had a fairly unique color.
"
Bing-- I'm sure that's the design.
The 'Navy' one looks the closest-- but the one on the tie-vendor's website appears to have a bit darker background than the one Gov. Dean is wearing in Maura's photo from Boston.
Either his was washed and faded a bit, or he had a fairly unique color.
Okay, Mr. Oler. I take it back that you were trying to be provocative. It's clear you're operating from a very personal paradigm in your statement equating women with cars. As is, it seems, Oscar.
I've learned not to question people's motives so closely.
Posted by Patricia Taylor at September 1, 2004 12:57 AM
Hello Patricia.
I was not repeat NOT trying to be provocative. I was just stating my own personal preference. I have dated women who are "stunning" but more or less empty shells when you get past their looks>
I have fallen in love with a woman who was stunning in her appearance and could both bring C-130's aboard the aircraft carrier and take them off again...and point the aircrafts 105mn "gun" to an accuracy of a couple of feet.
And in the process really didnt care what most men or most women thought of her. She wore Gold wings on her sports bra, had no problem playing and winning at Strip poker and could not only survive in a mans world but excel there.
And here is the kicker...she loved me.
I am not trying to be provacative or anything else. I am just saying if you cannot fall in love with someone who is your equal or better in everything you do (it was easy for me to get where I got I dont ahve the gender issue) than you dont know muscle.
She didnt get her nickname "slugger" for nothing.
She earned her gold wings and yellow stripes with a star...and did it when it was almost impossible. The C-130 is the ultimate "muscle car".
And she loved me.
Robert G. Oler
I've learned not to question people's motives so closely.
Posted by Patricia Taylor at September 1, 2004 12:57 AM
Hello Patricia.
I was not repeat NOT trying to be provocative. I was just stating my own personal preference. I have dated women who are "stunning" but more or less empty shells when you get past their looks>
I have fallen in love with a woman who was stunning in her appearance and could both bring C-130's aboard the aircraft carrier and take them off again...and point the aircrafts 105mn "gun" to an accuracy of a couple of feet.
And in the process really didnt care what most men or most women thought of her. She wore Gold wings on her sports bra, had no problem playing and winning at Strip poker and could not only survive in a mans world but excel there.
And here is the kicker...she loved me.
I am not trying to be provacative or anything else. I am just saying if you cannot fall in love with someone who is your equal or better in everything you do (it was easy for me to get where I got I dont ahve the gender issue) than you dont know muscle.
She didnt get her nickname "slugger" for nothing.
She earned her gold wings and yellow stripes with a star...and did it when it was almost impossible. The C-130 is the ultimate "muscle car".
And she loved me.
Robert G. Oler
RE: Maura in VA
He he he.
Well - then we can only hope Kerry DID take it. The more Dean-like, the better.
So am I hearing (reading) right -- does Gov. Dean wear ties with cute whales and jelly beans?
Damn. His ties are outside the establishment, too.
Posted by Maura in VA at September 1, 2004 01:42 AM
For that matter, maybe we should check John Kerry's pocket...he's stolen all of Dean's other good stuff!
(Ba-dum-BUM!)
Sorry, couldn't resist. ;-)
He he he.
Well - then we can only hope Kerry DID take it. The more Dean-like, the better.
So am I hearing (reading) right -- does Gov. Dean wear ties with cute whales and jelly beans?
Damn. His ties are outside the establishment, too.
Posted by Maura in VA at September 1, 2004 01:42 AM
For that matter, maybe we should check John Kerry's pocket...he's stolen all of Dean's other good stuff!
(Ba-dum-BUM!)
Sorry, couldn't resist. ;-)
Robert Oler:
"loved me"-- past tense? I hope she is still OK... she sounds like a real winner.
"loved me"-- past tense? I hope she is still OK... she sounds like a real winner.
Posted by Dean*Nut*in*Sandy*Eigo*seein*** at September 1, 2004 01:47 AM
It's likely that the color in the image isn't accurate. With shiny textiles that are, photos can only approximate the color, because the reflected light from the shiny fabric messes up the apparent tone. The light blue is probably darker than it appears.
On that note, g'night all. I've exceeded my limit for typing in one day. ;-)
It's likely that the color in the image isn't accurate. With shiny textiles that are, photos can only approximate the color, because the reflected light from the shiny fabric messes up the apparent tone. The light blue is probably darker than it appears.
On that note, g'night all. I've exceeded my limit for typing in one day. ;-)
Posted by mataliandy at September 1, 2004 01:38 AM
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Well done!! Next to Maura's picture, looks like a perfect match!!
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Well done!! Next to Maura's picture, looks like a perfect match!!
Sunsine. YES! Exactly what I am ranting about tonight.
Will post one more time then leave you all alone.
Please, don't Wait until tomorrow
Call the DNC right now and leave a message. Let them know if they expect our support, they need to start doing their jobs.
Main Phone Number:
202-863-8000
I just left a message with the communication department (Dial 6).
Or
1-If you know a last name
2-chairman - T.Mac.
3-COO
4-CFO
8-Political?
Call Now!!!!
I would love for them to come back to full voicemails tomorrow.
Will post one more time then leave you all alone.
Please, don't Wait until tomorrow
Call the DNC right now and leave a message. Let them know if they expect our support, they need to start doing their jobs.
Main Phone Number:
202-863-8000
I just left a message with the communication department (Dial 6).
Or
1-If you know a last name
2-chairman - T.Mac.
3-COO
4-CFO
8-Political?
Call Now!!!!
I would love for them to come back to full voicemails tomorrow.
mataliandy 01:51 AM:
Makes sense. Maura's photo was taken outdoors. Between bright light and shiny silk, the sheen could indeed be making it look a little lighter.
Mm. As a matter of fact, the ground on that tie looks about the same shade of blue as the ground on BFA. (Look at the sides, outside the blog content.) Coincidence? :o
The Great Whale Tie Saga continues!
Makes sense. Maura's photo was taken outdoors. Between bright light and shiny silk, the sheen could indeed be making it look a little lighter.
Mm. As a matter of fact, the ground on that tie looks about the same shade of blue as the ground on BFA. (Look at the sides, outside the blog content.) Coincidence? :o
The Great Whale Tie Saga continues!
Our phone lines have been down for a couple of days...Blog withdrawal reached epic proportions...
Mr. Oler,
As a gearhead, and a woman, I love the muscle car analogy...As long as I get to be a '67 Mercury Cyclone GT with a stock 427...VrrrooooM...;-)
My husband is brilliant AND secure.
What happened to Renee? I was here when that pathetic troll started after her...Grrrrrrrrr!
That's two onomatopoeia in one comment, time to click post.
Mr. Oler,
As a gearhead, and a woman, I love the muscle car analogy...As long as I get to be a '67 Mercury Cyclone GT with a stock 427...VrrrooooM...;-)
My husband is brilliant AND secure.
What happened to Renee? I was here when that pathetic troll started after her...Grrrrrrrrr!
That's two onomatopoeia in one comment, time to click post.
If I get up tomorrow and come on the blog to find the backgrounds at either side of the webpage are that same navy blue... with the whales on them... i.e. the tie pattern... I am absolutely gonna fall out of my chair laughing.
It's late. I better get to bed.
It's late. I better get to bed.
Posted by Dean*Nut*in*Sandy*Eigo*seein*** at September 1, 2004 01:50 AM
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No, dear, from what he's said in the past, she died a while ago. Seems like it might be a hard love to get over.
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No, dear, from what he's said in the past, she died a while ago. Seems like it might be a hard love to get over.
Are you trying to be deliberately offensive or are you just dense?
Posted by Patricia Taylor at September 1, 2004 12:24 AM
Dense, clueless and definitely no hit with women.
Posted by Patricia Taylor at September 1, 2004 12:24 AM
Dense, clueless and definitely no hit with women.
Sorry, Robert, I didn't see you were still on. I wouldn't have answered for you, if I'd known.
Emily's List just sent out announcement: Betty Castor has won the Democratic primary in Florida.
Just returned from Arthur Anderson's victory party!
Arthur Anderson, one of Dean's Dozens, is now Palm Beach County, Florida's new Supervisor of Elections!! He beat out Theresa LePore, the infamous creator of the 2000 election butterfly ballot.
SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS
Completed Precincts: 688 of 693 (99.28%)
Vote Count Percent
Arthur 'Art' ANDERSON 91,122 51.45%
Theresa LEPORE 85,587 48.32%
WRITE-IN 402 0.23%
Total 177,111 100.00%
Arthur Anderson, one of Dean's Dozens, is now Palm Beach County, Florida's new Supervisor of Elections!! He beat out Theresa LePore, the infamous creator of the 2000 election butterfly ballot.
SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS
Completed Precincts: 688 of 693 (99.28%)
Vote Count Percent
Arthur 'Art' ANDERSON 91,122 51.45%
Theresa LEPORE 85,587 48.32%
WRITE-IN 402 0.23%
Total 177,111 100.00%
I suspect another four years of Bush might actually scare the Democrats into taking a real stand.
Posted by Eddie In SoCal at September 1, 2004 01:18 AM
Nobody will be able to foot the bill but Howard!
Dean/Obama '08
Posted by Eddie In SoCal at September 1, 2004 01:18 AM
Nobody will be able to foot the bill but Howard!
Dean/Obama '08
It's great night for the Dean Dozen candidates, DFA 2.0, and for Democracy.
Posted by Nancy from Florida at September 1, 2004 02:22 AM
Funny she couldn't rig her own ballot. What are Diebold paperless machines good for, anyway?
Funny she couldn't rig her own ballot. What are Diebold paperless machines good for, anyway?
I found it, i think.
http://www.vineyardvines.com/products/index_ties.html
click on "whale" on the left side
http://www.vineyardvines.com/products/index_ties.html
click on "whale" on the left side
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GET A BILL STARTED TO PLACE ALL POLITICIANS ON SOC. SEC.
This must be an issue in "2004". Please! Keep it going.
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SOCIAL SECURITY:
(This is worth reading. It is short and to the point.)
Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions during election years. !
Our Senators and Congresswomen do not pay into Social Security and, of
course, they do not collect from it.
You see, Social Security benefits were not suitable for persons of their
rare elevation in society. They felt they should have a special plan for
themselves. So, many years ago they voted in their own benefit plan.
In more recent years, no congressperson has felt the need to change it.
After all, it is a great plan.
For all practical purposes their plan works like this:
When they retire, they continue to draw the same pay until they die.
Except it may increase from time to time for cost of living adjustments..
For example, former Senator Byrd and Congressman White and their wives may
expect to draw $7,800,000.00 (that's Seven Million, Eight-Hundred Thousand
Dollars), with their wives drawing $275,000.00 during the last years of
their lives.
This is calculated on an average life span for each of those two
Dignitaries.
Younger Dignitaries who retire at an early age, will receive much more
during the rest of their lives.
Their cost for this excellent plan is $0.00. NADA....ZILCH....
This little perk they voted for themselves is free to them. You and I pick
up the tab for this plan. The funds for this fine retirement plan come
directly from the General Funds;
"OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK"!
From our own Social Security Plan, which you and I pay (or have paid) into,
every payday until we retire (which amount is matched by our
employer) we can expect to get an average of $1,000 per month after
retirement.
Or, in other words, we would have to collect our average of $1,000 monthly
benefits for 68 years and one (1) month to equal Senator! Bill Bradley's
benefits!
Social Security could be very good if only one small change were made.
That change would be to:
Jerk the Golden Fleece Retirement Plan from under the Senators and
Congressmen. Put them into the Social Security plan with the rest of us ...
then sit back.....
and watch how fast they would fix it.
If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted and
maybe good changes will evolve.
How many people can YOU send this to?
Better yet.....
How many people WILL you send this to??
Keep this going clear up through the 2004 election!! We need to be heard
__________________
GET A BILL STARTED TO PLACE ALL POLITICIANS ON SOC. SEC.
This must be an issue in "2004". Please! Keep it going.
----------------------------------
SOCIAL SECURITY:
(This is worth reading. It is short and to the point.)
Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions during election years. !
Our Senators and Congresswomen do not pay into Social Security and, of
course, they do not collect from it.
You see, Social Security benefits were not suitable for persons of their
rare elevation in society. They felt they should have a special plan for
themselves. So, many years ago they voted in their own benefit plan.
In more recent years, no congressperson has felt the need to change it.
After all, it is a great plan.
For all practical purposes their plan works like this:
When they retire, they continue to draw the same pay until they die.
Except it may increase from time to time for cost of living adjustments..
For example, former Senator Byrd and Congressman White and their wives may
expect to draw $7,800,000.00 (that's Seven Million, Eight-Hundred Thousand
Dollars), with their wives drawing $275,000.00 during the last years of
their lives.
This is calculated on an average life span for each of those two
Dignitaries.
Younger Dignitaries who retire at an early age, will receive much more
during the rest of their lives.
Their cost for this excellent plan is $0.00. NADA....ZILCH....
This little perk they voted for themselves is free to them. You and I pick
up the tab for this plan. The funds for this fine retirement plan come
directly from the General Funds;
"OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK"!
From our own Social Security Plan, which you and I pay (or have paid) into,
every payday until we retire (which amount is matched by our
employer) we can expect to get an average of $1,000 per month after
retirement.
Or, in other words, we would have to collect our average of $1,000 monthly
benefits for 68 years and one (1) month to equal Senator! Bill Bradley's
benefits!
Social Security could be very good if only one small change were made.
That change would be to:
Jerk the Golden Fleece Retirement Plan from under the Senators and
Congressmen. Put them into the Social Security plan with the rest of us ...
then sit back.....
and watch how fast they would fix it.
If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted and
maybe good changes will evolve.
How many people can YOU send this to?
Better yet.....
How many people WILL you send this to??
Keep this going clear up through the 2004 election!! We need to be heard
we need a new ad on the air- the ad will show Bush's recent interview with NBC's Matt Lauer and it will show his question " is the war on terror winable and Bush's answer"no this war is not winable". We need to run this ad over and over. why would we wage a war he doesn't even think that is winable?
Are the Democrats throwing the fight? I'm sorry, but the lack of strategic motion is ridiculous. Are they playing possum?
LA*Mom, it looks bad doesn't it?
Kerry should have been all over that Bush quote today. Is he still windsurfing? OK, then SOMEBODY should have been all over the quote.. sorry to shout. I'm just dumbfounded at the Kerry campaign. We bloggers could run a better one than they are.
We can do better than this. The question is: do they really want to? I just sit here shaking my head in dismay....
Kerry should have been all over that Bush quote today. Is he still windsurfing? OK, then SOMEBODY should have been all over the quote.. sorry to shout. I'm just dumbfounded at the Kerry campaign. We bloggers could run a better one than they are.
We can do better than this. The question is: do they really want to? I just sit here shaking my head in dismay....
oops...i shouldn't read election results in the wee hours of the morning...the vote count isn't over yet... Rob MacKenna, however, is winning 59% to 41% with 56% of the precincts reporting....
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Hillsborough County
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Rob 59%
MacKenna 35,451
Steve 41%
Henley 24,471
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Hillsborough County
Supervisor of Elections
Rob 59%
MacKenna 35,451
Steve 41%
Henley 24,471
100% Precincts Reporting
Posting from the crawlspace,
Back to the Bush twins........considering they have attended the finest private elementary and high schools.....two excellant Universities....andhave been surrounded by political etiquette all their lives, their pronunciation and asphyixiation of the English language and overall pure thought processis appalling............
Back in my day.....we used to poke fun at that kind............Im sure they both would have been easy prey for my bar stories of my CIA career and also that I was a space shutlle engineer from Stanford...................brother
Back to the Bush twins........considering they have attended the finest private elementary and high schools.....two excellant Universities....andhave been surrounded by political etiquette all their lives, their pronunciation and asphyixiation of the English language and overall pure thought processis appalling............
Back in my day.....we used to poke fun at that kind............Im sure they both would have been easy prey for my bar stories of my CIA career and also that I was a space shutlle engineer from Stanford...................brother
Funny blog today, and the situation to try Sym's cracked me up!
(For those who don't live where there's a Sym's, it's a neat kind of off-price warehouse-y place where top brand and designer leftover clothes are sold at low prices that keep getting lower until eventually someone takes the unfortunate garment off their hands.)
As for rapid response on the convention, am hoping that right now Kerry's folks are just taking detailed notes. Last night was so egregious in almost every way that I couldn't believe my ears.
Let me count the ways:
Liddy Dole's terrible speech loaded up with misapplied Biblical code phrases. They need to send someone the evangelicals respect into the heartland to shred that one.
Sam Brownback talking about how compassionate the party is to everybody but gays.
Bill Frist's assertion that an embryo deserves "respect" (even though gay people don't). I was wondering if gay embryos deserve the same respect or if they can be sacrificed for stem cell research as soon as we can figure out the gay marker in DNA.
Rod Paige's remarks don't seem to be transcribed. I wonder how much of a total embarrassment they were?
Ahnold's speech, fine and dandy, actually. I liked it. But the delegates' behavior sure didn't do anything to restore honor and dignity to the Garden. In fact, even Arnold seemed annoyed by them.
Can't say enough about the twins. Words fail me.
After all that Laura was a relief, vapid though she is.
I say, let's hope for more of this and have a great, all-points rebuttal at the end. No sense using some of our best lines too soon.
Meanwhile, I sit enthralled to see how Dick Cheney will respond to Alan Keyes calling his daughter a "selfish hedonist". There's the love of Christ for you (not).
(For those who don't live where there's a Sym's, it's a neat kind of off-price warehouse-y place where top brand and designer leftover clothes are sold at low prices that keep getting lower until eventually someone takes the unfortunate garment off their hands.)
As for rapid response on the convention, am hoping that right now Kerry's folks are just taking detailed notes. Last night was so egregious in almost every way that I couldn't believe my ears.
Let me count the ways:
Liddy Dole's terrible speech loaded up with misapplied Biblical code phrases. They need to send someone the evangelicals respect into the heartland to shred that one.
Sam Brownback talking about how compassionate the party is to everybody but gays.
Bill Frist's assertion that an embryo deserves "respect" (even though gay people don't). I was wondering if gay embryos deserve the same respect or if they can be sacrificed for stem cell research as soon as we can figure out the gay marker in DNA.
Rod Paige's remarks don't seem to be transcribed. I wonder how much of a total embarrassment they were?
Ahnold's speech, fine and dandy, actually. I liked it. But the delegates' behavior sure didn't do anything to restore honor and dignity to the Garden. In fact, even Arnold seemed annoyed by them.
Can't say enough about the twins. Words fail me.
After all that Laura was a relief, vapid though she is.
I say, let's hope for more of this and have a great, all-points rebuttal at the end. No sense using some of our best lines too soon.
Meanwhile, I sit enthralled to see how Dick Cheney will respond to Alan Keyes calling his daughter a "selfish hedonist". There's the love of Christ for you (not).
Call Topic A and see if they found the tie, then you'd have the actual tie with the sentimental value attached. Failing that, ask his mother where she bought the tie.
Heh, found Rod Paige's remarks, which include the following:
"Whatever the size of our armed forces or economy, no nation can sustain its greatness unless it educates all of its citizens, not just some of *it*."
Uh, Rod, that would be "some of *them*".
It would be great to have a Secretary of Education who didn't speak in typos, for starters.
What a bunch of incompetents! And to think, we pay their salaries!!
"Whatever the size of our armed forces or economy, no nation can sustain its greatness unless it educates all of its citizens, not just some of *it*."
Uh, Rod, that would be "some of *them*".
It would be great to have a Secretary of Education who didn't speak in typos, for starters.
What a bunch of incompetents! And to think, we pay their salaries!!
Actually, to pick a further nit, "our" is wrong too, should be "its".
Michael Moore to appear on Today, will be sometime between now and 8 am.
Oh no. School has been invaded in Russia (Chechen border) and will be blown up with 400 inside if they don't get their demands met.
What a terrible week for the Russians. What a terrible week for the world.
What a terrible week for the Russians. What a terrible week for the world.
we need a new ad on the air- the ad will show Bush's recent interview with NBC's Matt Lauer and it will show his question " is the war on terror winable and Bush's answer"no this war is not winable". We need to run this ad over and over. why would we wage a war he doesn't even think that is winable?
Posted by texans4dean at September 1, 2004 02:48 AM
And another question would be, why would we want a Commander-In-Chief who doesn't believe he can win the war? I mean, if your local football coach said on TV "Well we're not going to win this season" you'd fire his sorry you-know-what. Surely a "WARTIME PRESIDENT" as he likes to style himself deserves to be fired if he comes out and says he can't win the thing.
Posted by texans4dean at September 1, 2004 02:48 AM
And another question would be, why would we want a Commander-In-Chief who doesn't believe he can win the war? I mean, if your local football coach said on TV "Well we're not going to win this season" you'd fire his sorry you-know-what. Surely a "WARTIME PRESIDENT" as he likes to style himself deserves to be fired if he comes out and says he can't win the thing.
Tie Bat! Tie Bat! Tie Bat! and....
Suit Bat! Suit Bat! Suit Bat!....
Suit Bat! Suit Bat! Suit Bat!....
Posted by texans4dean at September 1, 2004 02:48 AM
Good morning, Still reading through the thread. How nice to wake to a chuckle. A tie is just a bunch of threads, isn't it?
But, to address the shrub's flub about whether the war is winable or not, it might be a good idea to take some time and think about exactly that ought to be used. I happen to think that this "misstatement" is further evidence of the fact that the shrub is extremely SUGGESTIBLE. In other words, his behavior is almost entirely reactive--he responds to people as they behave towards him. So, when Matt Lauer, an obviously agreeable person, suggested by his tone that the war is unwinable, the shrub, quite naturally agreed.
This hypothesis would explain why his handlers go out of their way to make sure he has no contact with disagreeable interviewers or questioners and why hard-nosed reporters have been cut out of the questioner pool.
If that's the case, then wouldn't the best strategy be to set up more interviews with mild-mannered journalists who's manner is sympathetic, but whose questions are to the point?
Wouldn't it be fun to see how many outrageous propositions the shrub could be led to agree with?
Oh, I forgot. There's already a rather long list.
It obviously bears repetition--but not in the context of flip-flops or overtly to make fun.
Good morning, Still reading through the thread. How nice to wake to a chuckle. A tie is just a bunch of threads, isn't it?
But, to address the shrub's flub about whether the war is winable or not, it might be a good idea to take some time and think about exactly that ought to be used. I happen to think that this "misstatement" is further evidence of the fact that the shrub is extremely SUGGESTIBLE. In other words, his behavior is almost entirely reactive--he responds to people as they behave towards him. So, when Matt Lauer, an obviously agreeable person, suggested by his tone that the war is unwinable, the shrub, quite naturally agreed.
This hypothesis would explain why his handlers go out of their way to make sure he has no contact with disagreeable interviewers or questioners and why hard-nosed reporters have been cut out of the questioner pool.
If that's the case, then wouldn't the best strategy be to set up more interviews with mild-mannered journalists who's manner is sympathetic, but whose questions are to the point?
Wouldn't it be fun to see how many outrageous propositions the shrub could be led to agree with?
Oh, I forgot. There's already a rather long list.
It obviously bears repetition--but not in the context of flip-flops or overtly to make fun.
Posted by Linda Cork at September 1, 2004 07:31 AM
No, I don't think that's quite right. The shrub didn't call himself a "wartime president;" he refers to himself as a "warpresident" as in an elaboration of "warrior" A man who defines himself in terms of "war" is not going to want it to end (to win is to bring conflict to an end) because without that definition he is nothing.
Just because the shrub is not conscious of what he says, it does not mean that his sub-conscious makes no sense. Indeed his sub-conscious speaks the truth, as most human brains understand it.
No, I don't think that's quite right. The shrub didn't call himself a "wartime president;" he refers to himself as a "warpresident" as in an elaboration of "warrior" A man who defines himself in terms of "war" is not going to want it to end (to win is to bring conflict to an end) because without that definition he is nothing.
Just because the shrub is not conscious of what he says, it does not mean that his sub-conscious makes no sense. Indeed his sub-conscious speaks the truth, as most human brains understand it.
Posted by JudyforDean at September 1, 2004 05:08 AM
Here's my response to this article.
Prof. Ramadan just doesn't get it. As a Muslim he is now a member of the latest group to serve as the target of "shared antagonism" which has traditionally been useful in America to unify a diverse population on the cheap. The antagonism directed towards him, or more correctly, his apparently unmotivated exclusion or segregation, has nothing to do with his own actions. "Shared antagonism" is not reasonable or rational. It is, however, very effective, not only because it costs the participants nothing, but because it is indeterminate and unending.
Here's my response to this article.
Prof. Ramadan just doesn't get it. As a Muslim he is now a member of the latest group to serve as the target of "shared antagonism" which has traditionally been useful in America to unify a diverse population on the cheap. The antagonism directed towards him, or more correctly, his apparently unmotivated exclusion or segregation, has nothing to do with his own actions. "Shared antagonism" is not reasonable or rational. It is, however, very effective, not only because it costs the participants nothing, but because it is indeterminate and unending.
Posted by brendaFL at September 1, 2004 08:10 AM
Talk about a blast out of the past!!!!
The Gainesville Sun reports
"Williams said she was humbled by her decisive victory. She said she attributed the support to being active in the community as an advocate for her neighborhood, the Porters area located near downtown Gainesville."
I met Janie Williams twenty five years ago when we worked together to keep her neighborhood from being bulldozed in the name of Urban Removal. Though, between me and the blog, "humble" is not a word most people would apply to Janie.
If you see, her Brenda, please convey my congratulations.
Talk about a blast out of the past!!!!
The Gainesville Sun reports
"Williams said she was humbled by her decisive victory. She said she attributed the support to being active in the community as an advocate for her neighborhood, the Porters area located near downtown Gainesville."
I met Janie Williams twenty five years ago when we worked together to keep her neighborhood from being bulldozed in the name of Urban Removal. Though, between me and the blog, "humble" is not a word most people would apply to Janie.
If you see, her Brenda, please convey my congratulations.
Oops. Clicky thing doesn't work. Don't have time to figure it out. But here is the URL: https://secure.democracyforamerica.com/page/bat/franandsandra
As for tiegate, thanks Laura for the great post! And it seems other's have already found the tie.
I'm curious, how did you go from working for NPR to working for Gov. Dean? Was it after Ba Bedwards?
I'm curious, how did you go from working for NPR to working for Gov. Dean? Was it after Ba Bedwards?
I have a question. Wathcing the RNC made me think what does John Kerry really believe? I mean he would have still voted for the war. Maybe he should have spoke before Governor Schwar, well you know his name.
I just got this in my e-mail, it's from a member of our Cortland group
It's time for a new civil war. Democrats should be allowed to benefit from programs we support, Republicans benefit from their own legislation.
1. SOCIAL SECURITY- Democrats can continue to benefit with the current system and cost of living adjustments. Republicans you have to put your money in the
stock market and let a stockbroker handle your future, no lock box for you.
2. MEDICARE & MEDICAID- Democrats continue with current benefits and demand price controls on drugs from pharmaceutical companies. Republicans you need to ask your doctor for free medical services and try to get free samples from drug companies.
3. MINIMUM WAGE- Democrats get to keep current minimum wage and adjust it to a living wage. Republicans get to abolish minimum wage and overtime and can implement Chinese wages on their party workers.
4. EQUAL RIGHTS- Democrats get equal treatment among sexes and races.
Republicans, especially women, you become 2nd class citizens again, handmaids.
5. ABORTION- Democratic women decide their own reproductive actions and rights. Republican women get white preachers to decide for them.
6. STEM CELL REASEARCH- Democrats get to benefit from research in this field. Republicans, your 2 year old son or grandson just diagnosed with diabetes, sorry you cannot benefit from new research.
7. GAY ISSUE- Democrats allow civil unions and also wake up to the fact that gay marriage is no threat to a man-women relationship. Republicans with gay kids, hide them in a closet or let a democrat adopt them.
8. ENVIROMENT- Democrats live west of the Mississippi with fuel efficient cars and new fuel alternatives. Republicans live east of the Mississippi, with acid rain, clear cutting of trees, and mercury in your fish and children.
9. MILITARY SERVICE- Democrats bring back a fair draft, no exemptions for school, only deferments for major medical problems. Republicans continue to let the poor die for you, while people with a hummer and 5 American flag decals on rear window get a deferment. Sound bitter, darn right, I'm tired of people benefiting from programs that help them from birth to death, that were passed by democratic presidents and legislatures{social security, Medicare, Medicaid, veteran benefits, G I benefits, women's right to chose, equal pay for all, equal rights for all races, headstart, minimum wage, unemployment benefits, overtime pay, right to organize}. Republicans they have you so fooled on stupid issues, when all they really care about is power and money, mainly money.
footnote; I'm a 1966 draftee who also came home from serving my country and demonstrated against the Vietnam war, it was war protesters who finally brought home the troops with pressure we put on government, it sure wasn't people who sat in their living rooms watching Walter Cronkite every night and saw the body count every week and did nothing.
Mike Stroh – August 31, 2004
It's time for a new civil war. Democrats should be allowed to benefit from programs we support, Republicans benefit from their own legislation.
1. SOCIAL SECURITY- Democrats can continue to benefit with the current system and cost of living adjustments. Republicans you have to put your money in the
stock market and let a stockbroker handle your future, no lock box for you.
2. MEDICARE & MEDICAID- Democrats continue with current benefits and demand price controls on drugs from pharmaceutical companies. Republicans you need to ask your doctor for free medical services and try to get free samples from drug companies.
3. MINIMUM WAGE- Democrats get to keep current minimum wage and adjust it to a living wage. Republicans get to abolish minimum wage and overtime and can implement Chinese wages on their party workers.
4. EQUAL RIGHTS- Democrats get equal treatment among sexes and races.
Republicans, especially women, you become 2nd class citizens again, handmaids.
5. ABORTION- Democratic women decide their own reproductive actions and rights. Republican women get white preachers to decide for them.
6. STEM CELL REASEARCH- Democrats get to benefit from research in this field. Republicans, your 2 year old son or grandson just diagnosed with diabetes, sorry you cannot benefit from new research.
7. GAY ISSUE- Democrats allow civil unions and also wake up to the fact that gay marriage is no threat to a man-women relationship. Republicans with gay kids, hide them in a closet or let a democrat adopt them.
8. ENVIROMENT- Democrats live west of the Mississippi with fuel efficient cars and new fuel alternatives. Republicans live east of the Mississippi, with acid rain, clear cutting of trees, and mercury in your fish and children.
9. MILITARY SERVICE- Democrats bring back a fair draft, no exemptions for school, only deferments for major medical problems. Republicans continue to let the poor die for you, while people with a hummer and 5 American flag decals on rear window get a deferment. Sound bitter, darn right, I'm tired of people benefiting from programs that help them from birth to death, that were passed by democratic presidents and legislatures{social security, Medicare, Medicaid, veteran benefits, G I benefits, women's right to chose, equal pay for all, equal rights for all races, headstart, minimum wage, unemployment benefits, overtime pay, right to organize}. Republicans they have you so fooled on stupid issues, when all they really care about is power and money, mainly money.
footnote; I'm a 1966 draftee who also came home from serving my country and demonstrated against the Vietnam war, it was war protesters who finally brought home the troops with pressure we put on government, it sure wasn't people who sat in their living rooms watching Walter Cronkite every night and saw the body count every week and did nothing.
Mike Stroh – August 31, 2004
Oh, yes, almost forgot. The headline on the Boston Globe this morning reads
GOP SOUNDS OPPORTUNITY THEME
Which raises the question whether this opportunity is in any way related to the "CRIMES OF OPPORTUNITY" that neighborhood groups all over the country were taught to prevent by making sure their doors, windows and cars were locked at all times. Indeed, anyone walking the street after dark was a target for a crime of opportunity.
I actually thought the "O" word for this GOP convention was going to be OWNERSHIP. Wonder if that was determined to be an undesirable goal, after all, or the word didn't work too well with the claim that Republicans are to be credited with getting rid of the ownership of other people. Maybe the "end of ownership" and the "beginning of ownership" was seen as too much of a potential "flip-flop."
GOP SOUNDS OPPORTUNITY THEME
Which raises the question whether this opportunity is in any way related to the "CRIMES OF OPPORTUNITY" that neighborhood groups all over the country were taught to prevent by making sure their doors, windows and cars were locked at all times. Indeed, anyone walking the street after dark was a target for a crime of opportunity.
I actually thought the "O" word for this GOP convention was going to be OWNERSHIP. Wonder if that was determined to be an undesirable goal, after all, or the word didn't work too well with the claim that Republicans are to be credited with getting rid of the ownership of other people. Maybe the "end of ownership" and the "beginning of ownership" was seen as too much of a potential "flip-flop."
Is it not curious to anyone else that we claim to the party of progress yet when it comes to social security, Medicare, and war? We sit on our hands and celebrate the status quoi.
"Do not engage protestors in debate. The protestors are here to get media coverage. Debating them simply provides fodder for the TV cameras and the press."
Yes! I bet I was the ONLY one out of 500,000 protesters that wanted to take a vacation day, ride 12 hours in a cramped van with strangers,stand for 1.5 hours in the hot,humid NY 7t ave........just to show my discust for the Republican party and everything they stand for.
Well, my wife always tells me Im an enigma.......
Yes! I bet I was the ONLY one out of 500,000 protesters that wanted to take a vacation day, ride 12 hours in a cramped van with strangers,stand for 1.5 hours in the hot,humid NY 7t ave........just to show my discust for the Republican party and everything they stand for.
Well, my wife always tells me Im an enigma.......
So now I guess according to the shining star of the Republican Party:
If you are unhappy because your job was outsourced, or you are one of the 45 million with no health care coverage, you're an "economic girly man".
I guess that's compassionate conservatism.
If you are unhappy because your job was outsourced, or you are one of the 45 million with no health care coverage, you're an "economic girly man".
I guess that's compassionate conservatism.
OMG Laura, how could you do that? You know how frugal Howard is. Just don't misplace the Penney's suit okay?
Is there a report on how Dean candidates did yesterday in florida?
Is there a report on how Dean candidates did yesterday in florida?
Posted by jc*TakeYourCountryBack.com at September 1, 2004 09:11 AM
Good job JC! That looks like a match to me!
Good job JC! That looks like a match to me!
http://www.projo.com/extra/election/content/projo_20040901_chafee01.16177c.html
NEW YORK -- Sen. Lincoln D. Chafee, the liberal Yankee Republican from Rhode Island...
In after-hours conversations over drinks, over scrambled eggs and bacon at breakfast, and in the corridors outside the Republican National Convention, Rhode Island's GOP delegates say Chafee's refusal to publicly endorse President Bush's reelection campaign is a serious political error that practically guarantees him a primary challenge from the conservative side of his party when his seat comes up in 2006.
...Chafee is spending less than 24 hours in New York this week. The most public event he attended yesterday was a reception for the Republican Majority for Choice, a group of party moderates who have been fighting a largely losing battle for abortion rights in a party whose platform calls for a constitutional amendment banning the medical procedure.
Chafee has broken with Mr. Bush on some major issues, including the war in Iraq, the massive tax cuts that have triggered federal deficits, and a host of social issues from abortion and gay marriage to stem-cell research.
Rhode Islanders especially applaud his opposition to Mr. Bush's Iraq policies, he says. Voters aren't buying the president's arguments that fighting terror and the military invasion of Iraq are linked.
"This isn't about al-Qaida," Chafee said. "This is a whole vision of remaking the Middle East -- let's be up front about it.
Chafee says he is proud of his vote against going into Iraq -- a vote even Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry did not make.
"I've never wavered on that vote," Chafee said. "When I take a position, I don't do it for political interests. I do it because I think it is the best thing for our community, for our state and for our country."
While some Republicans consider Chafee a flake, liberal, or worse, he has strong voter appeal in Rhode Island. In 2000, Chafee defeated Democrat Bob Weygand, at the time a sitting congressman and former lieutenant governor, with about 57 percent of the vote.
The most recent Brown University poll, conducted in late June, put Chafee's job approval rating at 56 percent; President Bush, by comparison, was at 31 percent...
ONE OF MR. BUSH'S problems, says Chafee, is that the president is trying to shift gears in an election year and put a moderate convention face on a party that has hard-right positions on social issues and the war.
"You have got to be consistent," Chafee says. "That's one of the problems he's having. He has been playing so much to the conservative base and now he is waving the moderate flag. You don't know that people will buy it."
"I'm going to try to be honest," Chafee said.
...
Robert Manning, of Charlestown, the Rhode Island GOP's new national committeeman, says Chafee is likely to face a primary challenge, especially if President Bush is reelected and Republicans garner five or six Senate seats this November.
If the Republican-Democratic balance in the chamber stays at or near its current 51 Republicans and 48 Democrats, the GOP leadership and a Bush White House would not want to push a primary and risk losing the seat to a Democrat.
"As a Republican in Rhode Island, you always worry about a primary," said Chafee. "It is just part of the business."
NEW YORK -- Sen. Lincoln D. Chafee, the liberal Yankee Republican from Rhode Island...
In after-hours conversations over drinks, over scrambled eggs and bacon at breakfast, and in the corridors outside the Republican National Convention, Rhode Island's GOP delegates say Chafee's refusal to publicly endorse President Bush's reelection campaign is a serious political error that practically guarantees him a primary challenge from the conservative side of his party when his seat comes up in 2006.
...Chafee is spending less than 24 hours in New York this week. The most public event he attended yesterday was a reception for the Republican Majority for Choice, a group of party moderates who have been fighting a largely losing battle for abortion rights in a party whose platform calls for a constitutional amendment banning the medical procedure.
Chafee has broken with Mr. Bush on some major issues, including the war in Iraq, the massive tax cuts that have triggered federal deficits, and a host of social issues from abortion and gay marriage to stem-cell research.
Rhode Islanders especially applaud his opposition to Mr. Bush's Iraq policies, he says. Voters aren't buying the president's arguments that fighting terror and the military invasion of Iraq are linked.
"This isn't about al-Qaida," Chafee said. "This is a whole vision of remaking the Middle East -- let's be up front about it.
Chafee says he is proud of his vote against going into Iraq -- a vote even Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry did not make.
"I've never wavered on that vote," Chafee said. "When I take a position, I don't do it for political interests. I do it because I think it is the best thing for our community, for our state and for our country."
While some Republicans consider Chafee a flake, liberal, or worse, he has strong voter appeal in Rhode Island. In 2000, Chafee defeated Democrat Bob Weygand, at the time a sitting congressman and former lieutenant governor, with about 57 percent of the vote.
The most recent Brown University poll, conducted in late June, put Chafee's job approval rating at 56 percent; President Bush, by comparison, was at 31 percent...
ONE OF MR. BUSH'S problems, says Chafee, is that the president is trying to shift gears in an election year and put a moderate convention face on a party that has hard-right positions on social issues and the war.
"You have got to be consistent," Chafee says. "That's one of the problems he's having. He has been playing so much to the conservative base and now he is waving the moderate flag. You don't know that people will buy it."
"I'm going to try to be honest," Chafee said.
...
Robert Manning, of Charlestown, the Rhode Island GOP's new national committeeman, says Chafee is likely to face a primary challenge, especially if President Bush is reelected and Republicans garner five or six Senate seats this November.
If the Republican-Democratic balance in the chamber stays at or near its current 51 Republicans and 48 Democrats, the GOP leadership and a Bush White House would not want to push a primary and risk losing the seat to a Democrat.
"As a Republican in Rhode Island, you always worry about a primary," said Chafee. "It is just part of the business."
See JC's post from 9:11 - looks like the same tie to me.
Whoa. Just read those Dean Dozen returns!
SWEET!!!!!
And the "Dale Donation Curse" is broken too, because I gave $$ to Rob McKenna and he actually WON!
Nice work candidates!! Great News!!
SWEET!!!!!
And the "Dale Donation Curse" is broken too, because I gave $$ to Rob McKenna and he actually WON!
Nice work candidates!! Great News!!
Posted by Mike*! in%$ Raleigh NC at September 1, 2004 09:25 AM
come on mike, u know you went to nyc for the glory and just tell us u have a thing for vans (chuckle).
come on mike, u know you went to nyc for the glory and just tell us u have a thing for vans (chuckle).
We'd better see a big ass thread about the victories from last night!
you are unhappy because your job was outsourced, or you are one of the 45 million with no health care coverage, you're an "economic girly man".
I guess that's compassionate conservatism.
Posted by Larry in Austin at September 1, 2004 09:26 AM<<
Hello Larry.
As I was waking up this morning and preparing for the 'effort' on behalf of my Community Association (I'll say who with after its over) I watched/listened to Arnie's speech.
I can see why it is getting good reviews.
Republicans are doing something very smart (either intentionally or just on fools luck)...they are slowly but surely taking what were the issues that "made" the Democratic party and redefining them and in the process "us"...and we are politically paying a price for it.
Many (well a couple of decades ago) I got to talk with George Gay. More than talk, I was his escort/aide for a weekend honoring him. The most unique thing I learned from him there was just "how" optimistic in even the most darkest of times Americans are (or at least were then).
One evening at dinner I asked him "Did everyone with you know the score?" and his answer was "yes but individually we all thought we would survive, thats how Americans are, we are optimistic to the end."
Well, Gay grew up in the Depression where there was little room for optimisim, but he found it. At that time some of my relatives who were in the GD were still alive and so I asked them the same question. To a person they spoke of an optimisim that "next year would be better". Over and over again I heard "its how Americans are.".
Arnie tapped into that last night. Not only on an individual basis but on a country basis. That was the UN line..(and btw I dont believe the UN is all that hot either).
The GOP in their convention are playing on that line...American optimisim. And one can see how their policies go for it.
Someone up thread posted a deal about either investing social security or your own stock savings account. Social Security of the 1930's was a statement of optimisim. Most Americans did not live long enough to collect social security.
Today the odds of one making it to SS age are well pretty darn good. The GOP concept is a slap in the face of the concept that "we are all in this together" (which is what SS has become) BUT it does speak to a facade of optimism...invest money in the market well you COULD make a killing (left unsaid is the flip side of course). If it was just "to benefit me" I would easily rather have my social security to invest in the stock market. Most of us could easily do better in the market then in social security...but not everyone can.
In the GD the income stratification that exist today (ie the middle class) was not as great as it is now AND people easily saw "well off" folks slipping into poverty. Thats harder to see now...and its harder to sell "folks in my boat" that we have to worry about folks who are not in our boat.
Republicans have a message to the middle class (both lower/middle/upper)..."you succeeded because of your hard work, everyone can succeed because of their hard work, keep going tomorrow will be better to." Ignored are the government programs which help those (me) succeed. Slimed are programs for lower income people...but we dont have a successful counter to that.
I asked Gay if while he was bobbing in the ocean with the IJN sailing all around him he ever thought "my shows up". He admitted to thinking that some the first night in the water; but added "seeing all the Japanese carriers burning, the ones that hit us at Pearl harbor I thought I might be done here but what a way to go out."/
Democrats need to find an optimisim; a idear of how (to quote my Grandmother) "Tomorrow will be better". That after all is what Happy Days are here again use to say.
Robert
PS Who is George Gay. Ensign George Gay at the ripe old age of 23 was part of the USS Hornets Torpedo Squadron in 1942. Torpedo 8 flew airplanes that were obsolete 5 years earlier, that carried torpedoes which really did not work (and which were barely faster then the ships that they were attacking), and which engaged the Imperial Japanese Navy main battle fleet at Midway with no fighter cover. Now Captain Gay was the only survivor. He spent sometime in the water with a bullet hole in his hand and was almost run over by one of the Japanese Carriers that was sinking. His squadron expended all its torpedoes. Only two hit. None exploded.
Robert G. Oler
I guess that's compassionate conservatism.
Posted by Larry in Austin at September 1, 2004 09:26 AM<<
Hello Larry.
As I was waking up this morning and preparing for the 'effort' on behalf of my Community Association (I'll say who with after its over) I watched/listened to Arnie's speech.
I can see why it is getting good reviews.
Republicans are doing something very smart (either intentionally or just on fools luck)...they are slowly but surely taking what were the issues that "made" the Democratic party and redefining them and in the process "us"...and we are politically paying a price for it.
Many (well a couple of decades ago) I got to talk with George Gay. More than talk, I was his escort/aide for a weekend honoring him. The most unique thing I learned from him there was just "how" optimistic in even the most darkest of times Americans are (or at least were then).
One evening at dinner I asked him "Did everyone with you know the score?" and his answer was "yes but individually we all thought we would survive, thats how Americans are, we are optimistic to the end."
Well, Gay grew up in the Depression where there was little room for optimisim, but he found it. At that time some of my relatives who were in the GD were still alive and so I asked them the same question. To a person they spoke of an optimisim that "next year would be better". Over and over again I heard "its how Americans are.".
Arnie tapped into that last night. Not only on an individual basis but on a country basis. That was the UN line..(and btw I dont believe the UN is all that hot either).
The GOP in their convention are playing on that line...American optimisim. And one can see how their policies go for it.
Someone up thread posted a deal about either investing social security or your own stock savings account. Social Security of the 1930's was a statement of optimisim. Most Americans did not live long enough to collect social security.
Today the odds of one making it to SS age are well pretty darn good. The GOP concept is a slap in the face of the concept that "we are all in this together" (which is what SS has become) BUT it does speak to a facade of optimism...invest money in the market well you COULD make a killing (left unsaid is the flip side of course). If it was just "to benefit me" I would easily rather have my social security to invest in the stock market. Most of us could easily do better in the market then in social security...but not everyone can.
In the GD the income stratification that exist today (ie the middle class) was not as great as it is now AND people easily saw "well off" folks slipping into poverty. Thats harder to see now...and its harder to sell "folks in my boat" that we have to worry about folks who are not in our boat.
Republicans have a message to the middle class (both lower/middle/upper)..."you succeeded because of your hard work, everyone can succeed because of their hard work, keep going tomorrow will be better to." Ignored are the government programs which help those (me) succeed. Slimed are programs for lower income people...but we dont have a successful counter to that.
I asked Gay if while he was bobbing in the ocean with the IJN sailing all around him he ever thought "my shows up". He admitted to thinking that some the first night in the water; but added "seeing all the Japanese carriers burning, the ones that hit us at Pearl harbor I thought I might be done here but what a way to go out."/
Democrats need to find an optimisim; a idear of how (to quote my Grandmother) "Tomorrow will be better". That after all is what Happy Days are here again use to say.
Robert
PS Who is George Gay. Ensign George Gay at the ripe old age of 23 was part of the USS Hornets Torpedo Squadron in 1942. Torpedo 8 flew airplanes that were obsolete 5 years earlier, that carried torpedoes which really did not work (and which were barely faster then the ships that they were attacking), and which engaged the Imperial Japanese Navy main battle fleet at Midway with no fighter cover. Now Captain Gay was the only survivor. He spent sometime in the water with a bullet hole in his hand and was almost run over by one of the Japanese Carriers that was sinking. His squadron expended all its torpedoes. Only two hit. None exploded.
Robert G. Oler
Re: C-130's landing on aircraft carriers
See the link for some cool pictures.
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0097.shtml
According to this website (and we all know how reliable the web can be) a C-130 was test landed on an aircraft carrier on a carrier in October 1963. According to the site: "However, the risks of operating such a large aircraft in the hectic day-to-day carrier environment were considered too great, and the idea of using the C-130 as a COD aicraft was abandoned. The C-130 has never been operated from a carrier since, and the much smaller C-2A Greyhound was later selected to fulfill the COD role."
See the link for some cool pictures.
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0097.shtml
According to this website (and we all know how reliable the web can be) a C-130 was test landed on an aircraft carrier on a carrier in October 1963. According to the site: "However, the risks of operating such a large aircraft in the hectic day-to-day carrier environment were considered too great, and the idea of using the C-130 as a COD aicraft was abandoned. The C-130 has never been operated from a carrier since, and the much smaller C-2A Greyhound was later selected to fulfill the COD role."
Laura, is this the tie: http://www.nantucketreds.com/mens/access/ties/isle_whale.html
If not, try contacting Demi Wasilko: demi@vineyardvines.com 1 800 892 4982
I found her name on a Vineyard Vines Press release that mentions Governor Dean. She should be able to help you.
If not, try contacting Demi Wasilko: demi@vineyardvines.com 1 800 892 4982
I found her name on a Vineyard Vines Press release that mentions Governor Dean. She should be able to help you.
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