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Failed Conservative Values: Gordon Wright on Psychopaths and Fear

Written by: Edwin Rutsch on Jun 28, 2008 1:54 PM EDT

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  “It is a characteristic of all movements and crusades that the psychopathic element rises to the top”  Robert Lindner  

 

Gordon Wright values freedom but was raised by a conservative, autocratic, dictatorial and bully of a father. He feels conservatives fear life's changes and it's spontaneity. An example is how all of George Bush's public events are totally choreographed and controlled events.   He also thinks that the corporate conservatives value of heartlessness and unfettered self-interest, are the same values as a psychopaths. 
 

Failed Conservative Values: Gordon Wright on Psychopaths and Fear

 

Gordon:   I think real and true conservative values would probably involve conservation and conserving the best in tradition – you know, the best that is part of tradition.  And I think where conservatism in this country has virtually completely failed is that I think it got paranoid with some of the changes.  It got tied up with corporate values, and The Corporation – if you have seen the movie – the corporate values are the same values as a psychopath. 

So the people with money that have taken over the Republican Party, and now the insane lunatics that are called the neocons, are the example of that.  The trouble is that I hesitate to label these people conservatives.  They are reactionary corporatists.  They are psychopathic war criminals. 

Edwin:   What is the value of a psychopath?

Gordon:   The value of a psychopath is no values.  There is no heart to a corporation.  There is no heart to a psychopath.  He will get away with anything that he can get away with.  He will murder.  He will cheat.  He will steal.  He will lie – especially lie.

And so the kind of people that try to go up on the food chain, whether they might originally call themselves liberals or conservatives, sell out to these values, the values of a psychopath.  If you’re hungry for power, and you are willing to give up your essence, your soul.

Edwin:    How has that failed, being a psychopath?   What’s wrong with it?

Gordon:   Well, the earth is headed downhill.  Our economy is headed downhill.  Basically, what it is, is extreme egotism, when you lose the spiritual part of yourself.  A lot of spiritual people say there is a higher self and a lower self.  And the lower self – it’s nice to defend against poverty and a few basic things, but for the most part, if we are going to be real human beings, we can’t give up the higher part of ourselves.

And liberals and conservatives who still have a heart should get together and throw the criminals out of office.  They are complete, absolute, insane criminals

 

Progressive v Conservative Values: Gordon Wright - Freedom v Fear

 

Gordon: The most important personal value to me is freedom, and I think by that I mean spiritual freedom for each individual that also means that with deep understanding, that we are connecting with everybody else, that there is no such thing as absolute freedom, unless you have the values where you totally respect the freedom of every other individual.  Otherwise, the kind of freedom that we call  freedom, I don’t think is real freedom.

Edwin:  And how did you learn that?

Gordon:  I was raised by a very autocratic, dictatorial and bully of a father, who had his own positive merits, but he raised me – and I couldn’t fit in to believe these corporate values that every corporation was given total freedom to do anything they want, that the world would all work out, and that this was supposed to be in harmony with what Jesus taught.  And it never seemed to be in harmony.

I felt constricted or like put in a box.  He was from the old school – children should be seen and not heard, that sort of thing.  I felt like I wasn’t free to be me.  And I think this is a conservative value, that some people say is conservative.

The conservatives are afraid of life.  They are afraid of the spontaneity.  Like Bush at a press conference.  He doesn’t want anyone there to ask him a question that he is not ready for. 

They are afraid of the sex urge.  I think they are afraid of grass growing.  And so they need to control everything.  It’s absolutely insane, because life is nothing if not always growing, and there is an element of freedom in that life that it seems like the Western world, the corporate world, the world that deals with technology has tried to dumb-down freedom, has tried to dumb-down spontaneity.

Definition of Psychopath at personality disorders.com
The psychopath has antisocial traits coupled with and enhanced by callousness, ruthlessness, extreme lack of empathy, deficient impulse control, deceitfulness and sadism... Like narcissists, psychopaths lack empathy and regard other people as mere instruments of gratification and utility or as objects to be manipulated. Psychopaths and narcissists have no problem to grasp ideas and to formulate choices, needs, preferences, courses of action, and priorities. But they are shocked when other people do the very same.... Most people accept that others have rights and obligations. The psychopath rejects this quid pro quo. As far as he is concerned, only might is right. People have no rights and he, the psychopath, has no obligations that derive from the "social contract".


Psychopathy at Wikipedia
The psychopath is defined by a continual seeking of psychological gratification in criminal, sexual, or aggressive impulses and the inability to learn from past mistakes..... In other words, individuals with this disorder gain satisfaction through their aggressive, sexual and criminal impulses as well as lack a conscience. Psychopathy is frequently co-morbid with other psychological disorders (particularly narcissistic personality disorder).   It is estimated that approximately one percent of the general population are psychopaths. They are overrepresented in prison systems, politics, law enforcement agencies, law firms, and in the media.

 


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Poll: What social or political movements would  psychopaths and narcissists, who don't value empathy, tend to join?
 

(   )  Progressive
(   )  Liberal
(   )  Libertarian
(   )  Conservative
(   )  All of the above
(   )  None of the above or other.
 

 

 

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- taking the poll

By Edwin Rutsch on Jun 28, 2008 2:33 PM EDT

Progressives and liberals value empathy as a fundamental value, so it's hard to think a psychopath would want to join those movements. Conservatives and liberations value self-interest which is more in line with the values of a psychopath,  so that's my vote.

Poll: What social or political movements would  psychopaths and narcissists, who don't value empathy, tend to join?

(   )  Progressive
(   )  Liberal
( x  )  Libertarian
(  x )  Conservative
(   )  All of the above
(   )  None of the above or other.

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- the insane lunatics that are called the neocons, are the example of that. The trouble is that I hesitate to label these people conservatives. They are reactionary corporatists. They are psychopathic war criminals.

By Phil Specht on Jun 29, 2008 12:53 PM EDT

I too would like to distinquish between the neo-cons, and conservative values some of which are good, so as to not alienate otherwise decent people who just are resistant to change.

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- Psychopaths and narcissists seek power for power's stake.

By Susan Rowe on Jun 29, 2008 4:19 PM EDT
They don't join a political party because they believe in a particular platform. They follow the money and the power.  And yes... they are afraid of the grass growing. They try to cut it down and trim it up even before it's has taken root.  They will even send their trained dogs over to mess up you and yours. They're tyrants who seek to control others because they themselves are weak minded.  Their behavior is predatory and reptilian in it's nature. They don't use any higher brain functions.  They're more beast than human and very physical and materialistic.  They think about pleasing their sex organs and their stomachs a lot. They live in lack.  Fear is a manifestation lack.  There is no love or empathy in lack.


Poll: What social or political movements would  psychopaths and narcissists, who don't value empathy, tend to join?

(    )  Progressive
(    )  Liberal
(    )  Libertarian
(    )  Conservative
( X )  All of the above
(    )  None of the above or other.

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- this is cross posted to:

By Edwin Rutsch on Jun 28, 2008 6:04 PM EDT

 Opednews.com - Dailykos.com

you can see and take the poll at:  Dailykos.com

around 50 people have taken the poll so far.

 

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- Reminds me

By audrey.nc on Jun 29, 2008 11:07 AM EDT

Speaking of psychopaths,   I see our leadership in Congress authorize 400M for covert operations in Iran.   That's better than dropping Nukes, if they don't do that too.

Police are known to work with shady characters in order to get the job done, but usually not with such consequences as our collaboration with one of the groups in Iran thought to have connections with  Al Quida.     Americans shed their blood in Iraq to fight them and empty their pocketbooks in Iran to support them.

It;s a more than vicious circle where we repeatedly use some group to overthrow an enemy only to have to repeat it a few years later when they don't fit our plan.    Our leaders juggle these moves as they would chessmen.    They don't understand the pain that never seems to reach them......just the terrible burden they suffer maintaining such great power as they have, and saving the world   from progress.

 





 

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- Trying For A Tool Bar

By sandy m on Jun 29, 2008 11:53 AM EDT
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- Howard At Westminister

By sandy m on Jun 29, 2008 11:56 AM EDT

Something fun this morning.  Thought some here would enjoy this photo of Howard receiving a gift from the Student Body Pres of Westminister College here in Salt Lake.  Photo was taken in Jul 05.  Howard gave a great speech, talked about how immigration would be a main talking point of the next Pres election.  Howard was right again.

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- Go Utah

By sandy m on Jun 29, 2008 12:14 PM EDT

Utahns "Unite For Change"

Demos gather to celebrate Obama, talk local politics

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,700239023,00.html?pg=1

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- so funny but so true

By linda b on Jun 29, 2008 11:57 AM EDT

this a.m on face the nation LIEberman was on touting fear and all his crap.
He said McCain was "ready by day one". where did he get that line.

Well my hubby and I almost fell on the floor when Schieffer introduced Wesley Clark and THIS IS WHAT SCHIEFFER SAD "THAT LIEBERMAN JUST SAID THAT OBAMA WAS READY TO BE PRESIDENT FROM DAY ONE"

HE NEVER CORRECTED HIMSELF. YOU COULD SEE THE LOOK AND SMILE ON CLARK'S FACE.

TOO FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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- thanks linda

By Joan In Florida on Jun 29, 2008 12:15 PM EDT

I planned on watching but missed it. Schieffer is getting a bit slow on the uptake these days.

McCain is too. Some of what he told the Latino elected officials yesterday was directly from Obama speeches. He even pointed to a bracelet that was "given to him by a woman whose son was killed in Iraq" who wanted him to wear it during the campaign. Sound familiar??

Obama has worn a bracelet from a woman who gave the exact same reason and Obama wore it since early in the primaries and perhaps still does, though he doesn't mention it much now.

But that's just a sliver of what McCain has been stealing from Obama. And does he ever get accused of plagiarism by the media? Not a word about it.

 

 

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- Covert operations

By Joan In Florida on Jun 29, 2008 12:05 PM EDT

 

do not necessarily collaborate with the enemy in order to support them. They are to get as much information as possible from them for our own use.

IMO 400m is not going to fund much of it in any case. That's just starter money.

 

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- Sidebar

By Huron John on Jun 29, 2008 12:34 PM EDT

At Thankful's request, I prepared a BLog post on "Coping with Peak Oil'.

If anyone wants to recommend.................

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- Our Democratic Clubs in Madera County just hosted a community forum on peck oil. It was a HUGE success.

By Susan Rowe on Jun 29, 2008 3:32 PM EDT

We invited the whole community. It was free. We held it at the local library. Our local Chamber of Commerce even announced it at their meeting.

Everybody was calling it our UNITY event after the primary season finely was over. 

I'll post some of the photos I took at the event.

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- peck oil s/b peak oil

By Susan Rowe on Jun 29, 2008 3:37 PM EDT
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- Peck-Peak, whatever

By Huron John on Jun 29, 2008 4:20 PM EDT

Your community is involved--that's the important thing!

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- covert

By audrey.nc on Jun 29, 2008 12:44 PM EDT

Explanation not required.    Maybe we should have a fundraiser?    400M does seem scant.

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By Huron John on Jun 29, 2008 1:23 PM EDT
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- ...I hesitate to label these people conservatives. They are reactionary corporatists. They are psychopathic war criminals.

By FormerT on Jun 29, 2008 1:39 PM EDT

By Phil Specht on Jun 29, 2008 12:53 PM

I too would like to distinquish between the neo-cons, and conservative values some of which are good, so as to not alienate otherwise decent people who just are resistant to change.
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Now, tell me please who people below are according to your labeling system:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25438312/

"Report: U.S. escalating covert ops against Iran
Congressional leaders agreed to funding for plans to destabilize leadership

updated 9:27 a.m. ET, Sun., June. 29, 2008

NEW YORK - U.S. congressional leaders agreed late last year to President George W. Bush's funding request for a major escalation of covert operations against Iran aimed at destabilizing its leadership, according to a report in The New Yorker magazine published online on Sunday.

The article by reporter Seymour Hersh, from the magazine's July 7 and 14 issue, centers around a highly classified Presidential Finding signed by Bush which by U.S. law must be made known to Democratic and Republican House and Senate leaders and ranking members of the intelligence committees.

"The Finding was focused on undermining Iran's nuclear ambitions and trying to undermine the government through regime change," the article cited a person familiar with its contents as saying, and involved "working with opposition groups and passing money."
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Up to $400 million requested
Funding for the covert escalation, for which Bush requested up to $400 million, was approved by congressional leaders, according to the article, citing current and former military, intelligence and congressional sources.

Clandestine operations against Iran are not new. U.S. Special Operations Forces have been conducting crossborder operations from southern Iraq since last year, the article said.

These have included seizing members of Al Quds, the commando arm of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, and taking them to Iraq for interrogation, and the pursuit of "high-value targets" in Bush's war on terrorism, who may be captured or killed, according to the article.

But the scale and the scope of the operations in Iran, which include the Central Intelligence Agency, have now been significantly expanded, the article said, citing current and former officials.

Many of these activities are not specified in the new finding, and some congressional leaders have had serious questions about their nature, it said.
..................."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25438312/

So, who are those people? Conservatives, reactionary corporatists, psychopathic war criminals?

Whatever your label, Phil, IT IS our Government and our State who REPRESENTS us.

And btw, where our "hope" Barak Obama on that?
Still trying to sit on both chairs simultaneously till elected? It might be too late then!

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- Reminds me

By FormerT on Jun 29, 2008 1:45 PM EDT

By audrey.nc on Jun 29, 2008 11:07 AM
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oops:
Sorry Audrey somehow skipped your post on the same subject.

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- As it goes in California so goes the country. And here we go again.

By Susan Rowe on Jun 29, 2008 2:00 PM EDT

Talk about fear based egoistical warped psychotic behavior.

What is the best way for the Sacramento politicians to get free media before their re-elections in November?

Answer: Don't pass the budget until October. Just so they can make everybody hurt really really bad again and then they can have their cake and eat it too.

The folkies are going to be so feed up with their nonsense this time that they just might pass that redistricting ballot initiative that all those right-wingers want. And then there goes California to the Republicans.

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- Late budget consequences

By Susan Rowe on Jun 29, 2008 2:02 PM EDT

Late budget consequences

Posted by EJ Schultz

It's an annual rite. As the start of the fiscal year nears, the state controller sends out a statement warning what will happen if lawmakers don't agree on a budget by July 1.

This year's statement, from Controller John Chiang, came today:  

"As the State's chief fiscal officer, I have the authority to pay for some essential services in the absence of a budget," Chiang said. "But without a signed budget in place, I am legally prohibited from making necessary payments to school special education programs, community colleges, local governments, and vendors doing business with the State." ... read more and post a comment:  http://www.fresnobeehive.com/news/2008/06/its_an_annual_rite_as.html

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- Interesting term deadline.

By Susan Rowe on Jun 29, 2008 2:21 PM EDT
Have you ever noticed how we get all those emails and mailers requesting donations right before their report deadlines?  They all come with God's promise for salvation in triplicate if we would just donate before all their budget reports are due.
 
If they were fiscal responsible... they would not have to ask for donations right before their deadlines. 

Campaign financial budgeteers always seem to run with holes in their pockets.  They act like a bunch of overgrown self-distructive teenagers out partying on the town for months at a time.

What is that saying?  Beggers should not be choosers.

 

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- self-distructive s/b self-destructive

By Susan Rowe on Jun 29, 2008 9:53 PM EDT

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