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Just some thoughts

Written by: Barry Sussman on Feb 11, 2008 9:56 AM EST

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Governor Corzine is getting Florioed. Lest anyone forget, Jim Florio was the last governor with a balanced budget as prescribed by the State Constitution. For his efforts, Governor Florio was targeted by the precursor of Swift Boat Veterans, Hands Across New Jersey. Through relentless attacks in the media, Governor Florio was pilloried for balancing the budget on the backs of those who could most afford it. Hands Across New Jersy was a well funded public relations effort by New Jersey's wealthiest residents to avoid paying their fair share.

As a result we were cursed with the Whitman plan to bankrupt our treasury. Since Whitman's pandering to short sighted voters worked, we have been in a fiscal hole that Governor Corzine is trying to close. There are no easy solutions. When tough decisions are made, someone gets hurt.

For the past few months there have been a barrage of letters in the Star-Ledger chastizing the governor for his plans to close the hole caused by Whitman's irresponsible, politically expedient plan. Everyone is demanding the governor make cuts in wasteful spending. The problem is, one person's waste in another's life support.

One of the places the State could save money is to stop providing State Police protection in the rural areas where the citizens refuse to fund local police patrols. The majority of those in these rural areas are knee jerk conservatives who would never vote for a Democrat. In fact, they'd probably make a nice dinner for some hungry bears.

We have to be creative in finding ways to cut spending that hurts Republican interests. If you have any, send them to the Governor.

I didn't make these rules, Karl Rove did.

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By on Feb 11, 2008 9:18 PM EST

Washington State to Levy “Global Warming” Tax on Drivers

KXLY
February 9, 2008

Vehicle licensing fees in Washington State could spike dramatically, all in the name of global warming. Six Seattle Democrats in the state Senate are trying to push through a bill that would require the Department of Licensing to collect a greenhouse gas tax. Sponsors say the tax in Senate Bill 6923 is an effective way to fight global warming by giving the state more money to fund transportation alternatives. If it passes, there will be an extra tax on your yearly license tab fees, based on EPA estimated miles per gallon your vehicle gets. The bill states vehicles getting below 15 miles per gallon will be charged between $200 and $240 extra every year. Vehicles that get between 15 and 25 miles per gallon, will pay $100 to $180 dollars extra every year. Vehicles getting over 26 miles per gallon, will pay between $40 and $100 extra every year. Vehicles that don’t have an estimated fuel economy rating will be charged a fee based on engine size.
ron paul is first!!

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By on Feb 11, 2008 9:21 PM EST


Bar story
>>
>> Hillary Clinton called Bill into her office one day
>> and said, 'Bill, I have
>> a great idea. I know how we can win back middle
>> America and secure my
>> presidential victory in 2008'.
>>
>> 'Great, but how do you propose we go about that?'
>> asked Bill.
>>
>> 'Well', Hillary responds, 'We'll go down to a local
>> Wal-Mart, get some
>> cheezy clothes and shoes like most middle Americans
>> wear, and then we'll stop at
>> the pound and pick up a Labrador . When we look the
>> part we'll go to a nice
>> old country bar in middle America , and we'll show
>> them that we really enjoy
>> the countryside and show admiration and respect for
>> the hard working people
>> living there.'
>>
>> A few days later, all decked out and with the
>> requisite Labrador at heel,
>> they set off from New York in a westerly direction.
>> Eventually they arrived at
>> just the place they were looking for. With dog in
>> tow they walk into the bar.
>> They step up to the bar and the bartender takes a
>> step back and says,
>>
>> 'Aren't you Bill and Hillary Clinton?'
>>
>> Hillary answers, 'Yes we are, and what a lovely
>> town you have here. We were
>> just passing through and Bill suggested that we
>> stop and take in some local
>> color.'
>>
>> They then order a couple of cocktails from the
>> bartender and proceed to
>> drink them down, all the while chatting up a storm
>> with anyone who would listen.
>>
>> All of a sudden, the bar room door opens and a
>> grizzled old farmer comes in.
>> He walks up to the Labrador , lifts its tail and
>> looks underneath, shrugs
>> his shoulders and walks out the door.
>>
>> A few moments later, in came another old farmer. He
>> walks up to the dog,
>> lifts its tail, looks underneath, scratches his
>> head, and then leaves the bar.
>>
>> Over the course of the next hour or so, another
>> four or five farmers came
>> in, lifted the dog's tail, and went away looking
>> puzzled.
>>
>> Eventually Hillary and Bill could stand it no
>> longer and called the
>> bartender over ''Tell me', said Hillary, 'Why did
>> all those old farmers come in and
>> look under the dog's tail like that? Is it some
>> sort of old custom?'
>>
>> 'Good Lord no', said the bartender, 'Its just that
>> someone has told them
>> that there was a Labrador in here with two
>> assholes!'
>>
>> IS THIS A GREAT COUNTRY, OR WHAT?

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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Feb 11, 2008 10:12 PM EST

Howard Dean is first!

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By on Feb 11, 2008 9:33 PM EST

5th Cable Cut Fuels Allegations of Isolating Iran

Leslie D`Monte & Rajesh S Kurup
Business Standard
February 9, 2008

Conspiracy theories of deliberately cutting communication lines to West Asia, primarily Iran, gained ground in the media and blogs as reports of another undersea cable cut — the fifth successive one in just a week’s time — started emerging in cyberspace.

While the extent of Iran’s isolation was unclear, many blogs alleged that the cable cuts and outages in West Asia were a ploy by an intelligence agency to disrupt Iranian commerce, targeting an emerging petroleum exchange that the country was shortly hoping to roll out.

The fifth cable cut could, in fact, have been a second cut on a different segment of the FALCON cable, owned by Reliance Communications, suggested other blogs and reports.

Cables are normally laid in proximity to each other and an accident in one cable can result in severing many cables at a time.

A cable-laying company has to undertake an expensive marine survey which costs anywhere between Rs 40 crore and Rs 120 crore, depending on the terrain. To cut costs, some cable companies skip the marine survey, noted an analyst who did not wished to be quoted.

The successive damage of these cables, they add, is of major concern since almost 90 per cent of Internet traffic is routed through undersea cables, and only 10 per cent through satellites.

The reason for the damage to the cables remains moot as the companies have claimed that they were cut after ships weighed their anchors over them.

However, the Egyptian ministry (after monitoring the satellite surveillance pictures) had refuted these claims stating there were no ships in the vicinity 12 hours before and after the cable cut.

One February 7, Reliance Communications claimed that the severing of the FALCON submarine cable — which disrupted voice and telecommunication traffic between Dubai and Oman — was caused by a ship�s anchor. The company also put up a picture of an abandoned anchor on its website.

None of the analysts this paper spoke to wished to go on record, saying it is “a sensitive matter”. However, they pointed out that the ocean bottom does pose great challenges to the telecommunication hardware, which must survive for 25 to 35 years in the harsh undersea environment.

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By on Feb 11, 2008 9:34 PM EST

to late paul is!!!!!!!!

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By on Feb 11, 2008 9:35 PM EST

Perhaps Iran is not NWO “user friendly”. Have no illusions regarding the so called “liberation” of targeted nations. The so called “Democracies” that are installed after these hostile takeovers are anything but constitutional governmental systems. As witnessed in AMERICA, even constitutional republics can be infiltrated, perverted, and used for evil. The New World Order will continue to systematically demonize nations and manufacture conflicts until no nation on earth opposes complete subserviance to the satanic UN godhead.
If Americans don’t quickly pull thier heads out of their butts and wake up, what little is left of freedom will be completely swallowed up in another false flag event, and the dictators of martial law will gleefully rape and pillage the fat of the nation under yet again the bogus auspices of
NATIONAL SECURITY.
Expect to see a nuclear attack inside the US, or possible biochemical attack. Whatever it is, will most likely be blamed on shadowy terrorists again. In fact, I recently saw several mainstream media press releases to the effect that America is totally vulnerable to internal terrorism. So in otherwords, they are psychologically preparing Americans for it.
Never mind the infinite tax dollars we pour daily into the National Security infrastructure, we are supposed to be stupid enough to believe the government can’t stop the “evil terrorists”.

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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Feb 11, 2008 10:28 PM EST

LOL, not a chance Daniel ~ Just cuz you say so doesn't make it true :-D IMO, RP's theories put into practice would take us to a more miserable place than we are in presently. Think progressive ;-)

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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Feb 11, 2008 10:36 PM EST

DemocracyFest 2008! w00t!

The 5th Annual DemocracyFest will be held August 16th and 17th, 2008 in Dulles, VA, just outside Washington, DC. The location and date was announced today by DemocracyFest Incorporated; the event's producer.

DemocracyFest is a weekend-long political festival, filled with educational trainings and inspiring speakers and entertainers. The event's motto is "Education by Day, Celebration by Night".

The Holiday Inn Washington Dulles will be the location for this year's event, where politically minded, progressive activists will meet for networking and education. This year's hosting sponsor is Democracy For Virginia and training classes will be conducted by Democracy for America. For more information go to www.DemocracyFest.net

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By on Feb 11, 2008 9:49 PM EST

we are on our way there now here come h/c you think it bad now wait. and who is on the ticket that fit that bill its not obama, think all you want your not going to get it and yes paul is first on this post!!!!!!!!!!!lol ha ha

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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Feb 11, 2008 10:41 PM EST

ROFL ~ thanks for the laugh. Matters not who's posted about first, it's the Dean's who are first.

Gotta run out for a few, bbl

♥'s to all

Kindness is free!

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By on Feb 11, 2008 10:02 PM EST

Thankful2Thankful4Dean
Mon, 02 was once blind like you, alway vote dem, but now i see the light both party our the same, hopefully you will see it too before its to late, did you vote the dem in congress so why do you think it will be defferance with a dem pres, it wont, there only one thing about getting older you get smarter, you dont belive everthing they say, keep up the work for the nwo, just look what they did to dean! google terror storm, endgame, freedom to facism, then we can talk till then see ya!!!!!!

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By Sitka on Feb 11, 2008 10:07 PM EST

This Clinton-Obama-Edwards meeting business brings to mind two cats jockeying for praise from the mouse they killed.

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By mary vb on Feb 11, 2008 10:23 PM EST

Prediction markets now showing Obama beating Clinton.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080211/pl_n...

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By mary vb on Feb 11, 2008 10:34 PM EST

Sitka - LOL. At this stage does an Edwards endorsement do anything for anyone? Serious question. If he endorses Hillary - then all his change talk was just empty IMO. But he doesn't like Barack's healthcare plan. So, who knows. I read that Elizabeth likes Barack.

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By Sitka on Feb 11, 2008 10:36 PM EST

At this stage does an Edwards endorsement do anything for anyone?

I'm on record as thinking endorsements do little for anyone but perhaps the endorser if the endorsee happens to win and then rewards for it. As for Edwards, he surely enjoys the attention.

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By FRED from OR on Feb 11, 2008 10:44 PM EST

RON PAUL SUCKS

SOCIALISM ROCKS

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By Susan Rowe on Feb 11, 2008 10:50 PM EST

Please RVSP for DemocracyFest 2008 at the DFA-Link.

HERE: http://www.dfalink.com/event.php?id=2796...

If you RSVP YES or MAYBE please cross-link our local DFA group(s) to this event.

HERE: http://www.dfalink.com/events.php

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By * rdorgan on Feb 11, 2008 10:50 PM EST

10:51 PM EST

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_campaignplus/20080211/ap_ca/on_the2008_trail_1

Instead of flowers, give to Obama

Mon Feb 11, 4:32 PM ET

RICHMOND, Va. - Democrat Mitch Van Yahres backed Sen. Barack Obama until the day he died on Friday, and instead of sending flowers, his obituary suggested contributions to Obama's campaign.

Van Yahres was a dauntless and sometimes idealistic advocate for the poor and powerless representing Charlottesville, Va., for 24 years in the House of Delegates.

His politics drew him strongly to Obama

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Monday's paid obituary in Van Yahres' hometown newspaper, The Daily Progress, asks his friends "to make a healthy and significant contribution to the presidential campaign of Barack Obama or, if they insist, the charity of their choice."

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By * rdorgan on Feb 11, 2008 10:50 PM EST

10:55 PM EST

nite everyone

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By FRED from OR on Feb 11, 2008 10:59 PM EST

OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) - Washington state is the first in the nation to phase out the use of some fireproofing chemicals in televisions, computers and upholstered furniture, under a measure signed into law by Gov. Chris Gregoire on Tuesday.

Gregoire signs law phasing out fire retardants in some products

By Associated Press
OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) - Washington state is the first in the nation to phase out the use of some fireproofing chemicals in televisions, computers and upholstered furniture, under a measure signed into law by Gov. Chris Gregoire on Tuesday.

The measure prohibits the manufacture, sale or distribution of most items containing polybrominated diphenyl ethers, commonly known as PBDEs, as long as a safer alternative exists.

Under the measure, mattresses with deca would be banned after Jan. 1, 2008, since deca alternatives already exist for mattresses.

The chemical would be prohibited in residential upholstered furniture and in televisions or computers with electronic enclosures after Jan. 1, 2011, as long as a safer alternative has been found.

"This will ensure the health of our homes and our waterways without putting our fire safety at risk," Gregoire said, surrounded by lawmakers and members of the environmental community.

There would be some exemptions,...

http://www.komotv.com/news/local/7067127...

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NOTE: Sweden has defied an EU agreement by banning Deca, found accumulating in their recycle workers. Chemical companies are striking back by calling for fines against Sweden by the EU.

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By on Feb 11, 2008 11:13 PM EST

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Mon, 02/11/08

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RON PAUL SUCKS

SOCIALISM ROCKS
free loader suck get a job! get out of the wagon and push.

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By Phil Specht on Feb 11, 2008 11:22 PM EST

The legislation to cover all children in Iowa was one of the recommendations of the Legislative Commission on Affordable Health Care Plans for Small Businesses and Families, co-chaired by Representative Ro Foege.  The Commission met for eight months across Iowa developing recommendations on how to cover more Iowans and control rising health care costs.

The legislation introduced this week would cover an additional 25,000 children through Healthy and Well Kids in Iowa (hawk-i), Medicaid, and other government health insurance programs.  The 19,000 remaining Iowa children without health care would be covered by private insurance plans.  Families with an income between 200% and 300% of the federal poverty level would receive a state subsidy to help them purchase insurance for their children.  These children come from families whose parents work but do not make enough to afford health insurance on their own.

The private health insurance plans included in the proposal will be those approved by a new Health Care Insurance Exchange.  This quasi-public agency will set minimum requirements, similar to the existing hawk-i Board

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By rae hart on Feb 12, 2008 12:09 AM EST

Obama unveiled  at Madame Tussauds Wax Museum.

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4273401&affil=ktnv

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By on Feb 11, 2008 11:27 PM EST

The Great Depression 2008

Andy Sutton
The Market Oracle
February 9, 2008
http://www.infowars.com/?p=189

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By on Feb 11, 2008 11:43 PM EST

Cops Shoot Woman in Face, Laugh About It

YouTube
August 18, 2006http://www.infowars.com/?p=196

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By on Feb 11, 2008 11:47 PM EST

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Phil Specht do you think illegales should get free health care?

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By on Feb 11, 2008 11:52 PM EST

How the Spooks Took Over the News
The Independent
February 11, 2008
http://www.truthnews.us/?p=1928

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By on Feb 11, 2008 11:54 PM EST

Campaign Donations: Rockefeller Backs Hillary; Kissinger Backs McCain
JonesReport.com
February 7, 2008







As globalist tool John McCain rises to the forefront of the GOP party, it becomes increasingly clear that he will likely head off Hillary Clinton in the general election.

Behind the veil, this fixed-election might be indicated, at least for illustrative purposes, by maximum contributions from globalist kingpins David Rockefeller to Hillary, and from Henry Kissinger to John McCain.

Of course, pockets as deep as a Rockefeller can afford to back all the horses in the race– which, of course, generally happens through CFR and Bilderberg vetting, but perhaps David Rockefeller’s own donation gives away his selected choice for heir. (And all indicators have Hillary taking the crown).

At least two other Rockefellers have thrown money behind Hillary, though several other minor Rockefellers have contributed towards Obama, McCain, Richardson, and Edwards, all of whom are within the CFR-sphere of control as well.

Notably, William and Lisenne Rockefeller have donated to Mike Huckabee– they are the surviving immediate family of the late Winthrop P. Rockefeller, who was Lt. Governor under Huckabee.

The elder Winthrop Rockefeller was Governor of Arkansas from 1967-1971 (and often rumored to be the illegitimate father of Bill Clinton).


Politics are theater, and virtually any candidate could be cast aside at any point, but the elite-level of support for Hillary Clinton and general control of all the contenders can’t be good for the democratic process– so much so, that it may be little more than an illusion. It certainly appears that the fix is in.

After all, Rupert Murdoch, owner of NewsCorp / Fox News has also donated heavily to the Hillary campaign despite the Fox reputation as a ‘conservative’ network.

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By Sitka on Feb 12, 2008 12:00 AM EST

do you think illegales should get free health care?

They should get health care just like everyone else. But, since they pay taxes like everyone else, it wouldn't be free. 

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By on Feb 12, 2008 12:02 AM EST

Watch out for knock-and-talks
DI Editorial Staff
Issue date: 9/19/05 Section: Opinions
PrintEmail DoubleClick Any Word Page 1 of 1 On Wednesday, members of the Iowa City community will have a chance to meet with their new police chief, Sam Hargadine. One question citizens should ask is about the chief's endorsement of the controversial "knock-and-talk" police search tactic. We discourage this policy, as it is detrimental to the community, and encourage police techniques that are more straightforward and appropriate for Iowa City.

A knock-and-talk search works like this: Police officers go to the door of a residence in which they suspect illegal activity is occurring. They knock, introduce themselves as a police officer, and ask to come in and talk. If the resident says yes, they enter the home and look around for signs of drugs or illegal alcohol. If they see any, they detain the resident(s) in the dwelling while calling for a warrant that allow them to legally search for the evidence they saw during the visit.

Not only is the technique deceptive, people may be intimidated by a police officer's request and may be unaware that they have the right to refuse entry. It's troubling that law enforcement in Iowa City feels the need adopt such questionable tactics.

It's questionable whether knock-and-talk is constitutional, because the Fourth Amendment protects people from unreasonable searches of their homes. In United States v. Johnson, a federal circuit court ruled that the police on a knock-and-talk mission acted inappropriately in entering a home and searching for drugs without a warrant. In that case, the defendant never gave his consent for the officers to enter his home, but the police asserted that they saw a crack pipe from the doorway (a claim the court ruled was unbelievable). Knock-and-talk searches may or may not be constitutional, depending on how carefully officers follow the letter of the law, but in any case, they tempt police to make a bust by bending the rules.

Worrying about constitutional searches shouldn't just be the domain of bleeding-heart liberals. If a search is ruled by a judge to be unconstitutional, the evidence of the search is thrown out - and a criminal may go free. Knock-and-talk is a shortcut. If there is evidence of drug use or drug dealing, then police should obtain a warrant. Police officers are rightfully zealous about protecting communities from lawbreakers, but searching and arresting suspects by the book is the best way to eliminate crime.

City Manager Steve Atkins told the that knock-and-talk is nothing to worry about, because the police most likely will use the technique "judiciously." The implication is that only the guilty should be worried about police tactics. But all citizens should have a say in how their community is policed.

Knock-and-talk is a bad policy, because it sets up an adversarial relationship between citizens and the police. Instead of encouraging people to support their local police force, knock-and-talk creates an atmosphere of fear and distrust. We hope that UI community can work with the police and that Iowa City police will be open and evenhanded in their law-enforcement tactics. But if a police officer knocks on your door and says he wants to chat, remember that you have the right to talk to him on the front porch and shut the door.

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By Denise in San Mateo County on Feb 12, 2008 12:12 AM EST

Good answer Sitka!! It's in everybody's best interest that we all receive the best healthcare possible - especially for communicable diseases. The more treatment options the healthier we all will be.

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By Denise in San Mateo County on Feb 12, 2008 12:13 AM EST

Sitka it would be very cool if you could come to DemFest. You can escape the furnace for the boiler room LOL

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By Indy Steve on Feb 12, 2008 12:13 AM EST

100.


Thankful2Thankful4Dean
Mon, 02/11/08

May go to DC in August...all depends, of course. Remember camping with you and Charlie Grapski in the pouring rain at the last Dem convention? Geez, want to do that again???!!

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By Susan Rowe on Feb 12, 2008 12:13 AM EST

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Phil Specht
Mon, 02/11/08

That is wonderful of Iowa.


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Tue, 02/12/08


One of our local DFA member's son looks a lot like Barack Obama. Tho his ears are a little different. He told her that he gets stopped constantly by Obama supporters. People want to know if he's Obama or somehow related. He said some folks just want to touch him.

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By FRED from OR on Feb 12, 2008 12:14 AM EST

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of course. Anyone stuck in this stinkin' country who needs health care should get it. We should also help them get back home.

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By FRED from OR on Feb 12, 2008 12:22 AM EST

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DANIEL ROONEY
Mon, 02/11/08

SOCIALISM ROCKS
free loader suck get a job! get out of the wagon and push.
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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Feb 12, 2008 12:20 AM EST

Hi Indy :-) LOL, I've got a room for Dfest. It would indeed be cool to be out in CO the weekend before the convention but alas it wasn't workable. I love the DC area and am thrilled the location is easy access and affordable. My fingers are crossed to see you there.

19. Susan, I just RSVP'd and see I'm the first to do so ;-D There are several people I know of who have already purchased tickets so do keep posting...

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By Denise in San Mateo County on Feb 12, 2008 12:25 AM EST

Indy you have to come!

Thankful the Holiday Inn didn't call me back. i'm trying to get a larger room for me and my, ahem, guest. And I'm leaving on Monday.

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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Feb 12, 2008 12:23 AM EST

Whoa, gents!

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By sunlight on Feb 12, 2008 1:13 AM EST

livin' the vermont way

Gee, this blog software changed. Now you need to allow pop-ups in order to post

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By seashell on Feb 12, 2008 12:28 AM EST
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By sunlight on Feb 12, 2008 1:16 AM EST

Anyone stuck in this stinkin' country who needs health care should get it. We should also help them get back home.

Really. I bet anyone in this country calls it home.

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By FRED from OR on Feb 12, 2008 12:29 AM EST

ROONEY supports a system that allows CEO to steal billions from the masses and invest it in China, who loans us money to pay for his tax cuts.

Fucked up.

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By Denise in San Mateo County on Feb 12, 2008 12:29 AM EST

Hi there sunlight :)

Sea are you at a loss for words?? (kidding)

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By seashell on Feb 12, 2008 12:32 AM EST

Well, that didn't work.

Daniel brings some good things over here...reality checks about the encroaching totalitarianism.  This is a must see, especially the police reaction....laughing at hurting a woman.  Things are going very wrong with our enforcement people.

http://www.infowars.com/?p=196 

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By FRED from OR on Feb 12, 2008 12:32 AM EST

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Anyone stuck in this stinkin' country who needs health care should get it. We should also help them get back home.

Really. I bet anyone in this country calls it home
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Speak for yourself. I've been born and raised in this country and never felt "at home" for very long (in the civil sense of the word.) Always felt like I was passing through.

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By Denise in San Mateo County on Feb 12, 2008 12:33 AM EST

Not feeling well tonight Fred?

Your posts seem to be sprinkled with a bit of cayenne.

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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Feb 12, 2008 12:31 AM EST

Awesome Denise, bet they'll get back to you tomorrow.

Can you believe this is the 5th Dfest already? I missed the one in Austin but have been to all the others. It was so neat to then go into Boston and see Howard speak a couple more times. I slept in my car two nights, one in the parking lot where the TBA conference was and then mooched a parking space at Indy's campsite. That trip was the first Roadpop! 5000 miles in 2 weeks.

Hey all, DO make your reservations asap!
http://www.democracyfest.net/

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By FRED from OR on Feb 12, 2008 12:35 AM EST

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Well, that didn't work.

Daniel brings some good things over here...reality checks about the encroaching totalitarianism.
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Bull. So tell me who doesn't [warn against totalitarianism] He both warns against it, and unwittingly supports the worst form of it. The guy's a megalomaniac troll from the wacky-wing of the right wing.

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By on Feb 12, 2008 12:34 AM EST

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FRED from Ashland OR ha ha got ya nice where did you learn those big words. mom get the soap! fred can dish it out but cant take it,lol show your intelligent what little you have.lol

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By seashell on Feb 12, 2008 12:37 AM EST

thankful, DFest sounds fun, but there are people on this blog who might throw rotten fruit at me.  LOL  I may still be yakking about Edwards.... :-)

But the tango in DC is quite good.   

Is everything happening at the hotel to make it easy to get around?  San Diego was a nightmare....

How far is the venue from downtown DC?

  

 

 

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By Denise in San Mateo County on Feb 12, 2008 12:37 AM EST

I also only missed the one in Austin.

We had a good time at all of the others, especially in San Diego. I remember when we went to take mprov to visit his mom's grave at the Naval cemetery. Then we all went to the beach.

Now all we need to do is find Charlie. It won't be Demfest without him.

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By FRED from OR on Feb 12, 2008 12:37 AM EST

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Not feeling well tonight Fred?

Your posts seem to be sprinkled with a bit of cayenne.
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Au contraire. I only get that pissed when I'm feeling good. Just had a great meal followed by wife's famous organic cheesecake. Just not in the mood to digest Rooney whiny cut-and-paste nonesense.

The guy makes Oler look like a Lefty.

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By sunlight on Feb 12, 2008 1:24 AM EST

Now the bog software is just that bogged down. Grrrr....

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By on Feb 12, 2008 12:35 AM EST

Washington -- Sen. Barack Obama easily won the African American vote in South Carolina, but to woo California Latinos, where he is running 3-to-1 behind rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, he is taking a giant risk: spotlighting his support for the red-hot issue of granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

It's a huge issue for Latinos, who want them. It's also a huge issue for the general electorate, which most vehemently does not. Obama's stand could come back to haunt him not only in a general election, but with other voters in California, where driver's licenses for illegal immigrants helped undo former Gov. Gray Davis.

Clinton stumbled into that minefield in a debate last fall and quickly backed off. First she suggested a New York proposal for driver's licenses for illegal immigrants might be reasonable. Then she denied endorsing the idea, and later came out against them.

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By Denise in San Mateo County on Feb 12, 2008 12:39 AM EST

Oh sea come on - no one will throw tomatoes at you. I think we are a pretty forgiving bunch. I never hold grudges; they are too heavy. We can go out to a group lunch again.

And it's not in downtown DC, it's at the Dulles airport Holiday Inn - shuttle to and from. Very self contained.

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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Feb 12, 2008 12:37 AM EST

hi sunlight ::waving:: I'm not getting pop-ups, phew.

Fred, I've known that feeling and all I can say is feeling at home comes from within.

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By Denise in San Mateo County on Feb 12, 2008 12:41 AM EST

I think Dulles is no more than 10 miles or so from DC proper, maybe closer.

Tbey have a great transportation system there.

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By Sitka on Feb 12, 2008 12:40 AM EST

The "new" FRED has morphed back into the "old" FRED.

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By Indy Steve on Feb 12, 2008 12:43 AM EST
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seashell :-)
Tue, 02/12/08

They wouldn't dare....if they do, I'll, I'll, I'll...throw lemons back at 'em. Ccccourage!

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By on Feb 12, 2008 12:41 AM EST

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seashell :-)
thank sea even jesus was mock! fred cant help him self its not his fault lack of education maybe he was abuse as a child!