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Open Thread for Thursday Afternoon

Written by: rich^kolker on Jul 24, 2008 1:05 PM EDT

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- Since Thankful Asked

By rich^kolker on Jul 24, 2008 1:50 PM EDT

I am happy to comply.

Because The Great American Conversation need never end.

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By Annilow on Jul 24, 2008 1:55 PM EDT

Thanks for the thread, Rich.

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By Karen on Jul 24, 2008 5:45 PM EDT

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- Thanks Rich

By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jul 24, 2008 6:26 PM EDT
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By Annilow on Jul 24, 2008 1:47 PM EDT

Howard Dean is first.

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- Go here to register blog complaints to Jim Dean directly...

By Annilow on Jul 24, 2008 1:55 PM EDT

Go here to register your complaints about the oppressive blog policies:

 

http://democracyforamerica.com/contact_messages/new

 

At drop down menu for 'subject' choose DFA chair Jim Dean

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By mprov on Jul 24, 2008 2:07 PM EDT

test

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By mprov on Jul 24, 2008 2:09 PM EDT

seems if you post on a thread it let's you reccommend where access had been denied before the post???

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- mprov ~~

By puddle on Jul 24, 2008 2:51 PM EDT

Seems pretty random.  I recommended this before I posted this, no problem.  Earlier ones, too. 

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- Thinking about the poster

By puddle on Jul 24, 2008 2:57 PM EDT

of front paged posts whining that he had to sort through *hundreds of posts* to find a response to his post.  And wondering what kind of person wants *hundreds* of people to leave just  so he can find responses to himself? 

 

And , no, he was not someone who chose to join the conversation.  Just wanted to lead it.

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By Annilow on Jul 24, 2008 3:42 PM EDT

I think they are wanna be Maureen Dowds/Krugmans who are looking for a place to publish not a place to discuss.

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- A Day with an Obama Canvasser

By Tom Bearse on Jul 24, 2008 3:57 PM EDT

I'm linking to a vignette I found at myDD by the poster "bored now," which details his or her venture into a Republican leaning sector in Florida called "Obama's Gonna Be President Anyway . . .".  The diary comes complete with descriptions of real life anxiety, snippets of conversation with conservative voters, and some remarkably encouraging results, reflected in this short excerpt:

yesterday afternoon, i hit 75 doors before it started to pour.  i talked to people at 29.33% of them, slightly below average.  in this little area that is definitely republican, 6 people told me they supported barack, 1 person said he was leaning towards barack, 6 people said they were undecided, 1 person said he was leaning towards mccain and 5 people said they were supporting john mccain.  this was perhaps 20-25% of one precinct.  still, it was remarkably encouraging.  and this is an area where we need all the encouragement we can get.

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By seashell on Jul 24, 2008 4:36 PM EDT

Thanks, Rich, for the thread.

Now gone. Perhaps Jim will step in.

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By seashell on Jul 24, 2008 4:40 PM EDT
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By seashell on Jul 24, 2008 4:44 PM EDT

by Brian Morton | July 24, 2008 - 10:42am | permalink
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"It's a free country."

How often do you hear someone say that phrase? Or, does this lyric ring a bell: "I'm proud to be an American/ where at least I know I'm free." You can never go broke selling something if you put the words "freedom," "liberty," or "American" in it. Just look at the "A" section of the yellow pages. Throw "extreme" in there if you want to sell to anyone under the age of 25. I'm waiting to pass the kiosk in the mall selling american extreme freedom liberty cell phones.

It's funny that we live in times when we're thumping our chests proclaiming how free and American we are while at the same time surrendering every inch of what that really means. Not just because the Department of Homeland Security solicited proposals from companies for shock bracelets for people traveling on airlines, in order to stun potential terrorists, not to mention the lady in row 23 who won't tell her annoying kid to sit down, shut up, and stop pounding on the backs of the seats.

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By seashell on Jul 24, 2008 4:59 PM EDT

by Sherwood Ross | July 24, 2008 - 10:06am | permalink
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So, just how many wrong wars are the American people supposed to fight? Here we've got a president that criminally deceived us into making war on Iraq and who is now trying to plunge us into another criminal venture against Iran!

If you swallowed the Bush lie he struck Iraq based on faulty CIA analysis doesn't his motivation become clear when he rejects the new National Intelligence Estimate's report that told him there is no basis for attacking Iran?

By rejecting it, Bush proves he'll wage war no matter what his intelligence agencies tells him! He's been telling Iran to "come clean" when he's neck deep in what comes out of the hind end of a Texas longhorn.

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By seashell on Jul 24, 2008 5:01 PM EDT

oh fer god's sake, take that silly "Important" comment off this page. 

by Joe Bageant | July 23, 2008 - 7:11pm | permalink
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Every now and then I am fortunate enough to communicate with someone who has near complete insight into our political process, why things happen and where it seems likely to be headed. Recently I received this analysis from a high powered political consultant whose name is withheld for obvious reasons. He/she has to live and work in the political world and for either party. In any case, I found it breathtaking in its fundamental analysis and its clarity -- clarity being no easy thing to accomplish is the swamp of media-consumerism-politics. Here it is:
-- Joe Bageant

Much has been written by political pundits in their attempt to explain the unexpected victory of Senator Barack Obama over Senator Hillary Clinton in this year's Democratic Presidential Primary. When looking at the results of this race, none of the conventional political math that would help one handicap the outcome would make one conclude that Senator Obama would win this contest.

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- the red, white and ...

By * rdorgan on Jul 24, 2008 5:15 PM EDT
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- blue (that last color is how McCain feels right now)

By * rdorgan on Jul 24, 2008 5:17 PM EDT

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//080724/ids_photos_wl/r442357281.jpg/

Supporters of US Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack ...

Supporters of US Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) cheer his speech at the Victory Column in Tiergarten Park in Berlin July 24, 2008.<cite id="captionCite">REUTERS/Jim Young (GERMANY) US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION CAMPAIGN 2008</cite>

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- So *r, was the speech a victory?

By Imn2Paine on Jul 24, 2008 5:29 PM EDT
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- Excellent photos!

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By Susan Rowe on Jul 24, 2008 5:23 PM EDT
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By Susan Rowe on Jul 24, 2008 5:24 PM EDT




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- Hello

By Imn2Paine on Jul 24, 2008 5:24 PM EDT

I jus' got to repost my last post, because...?

 

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Funny?

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You might think so, but it is not funny.

What, you might ask? 

...well,

I just logged in and I was SHUNTED to a dead water(boarded)cooler.

Nice work ...if you can get it.  Get it?

 

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By Susan Rowe on Jul 24, 2008 5:25 PM EDT




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By seashell on Jul 24, 2008 5:28 PM EDT

by Dave Lindorff | July 23, 2008 - 10:50am | permalink
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Attorney General Michael Mukasey has caught some flak for proposing, in an address to the American Enterprise Institute, that Congress should declare war on Al Qaeda.

Instead, he should be applauded for his brilliant idea.

First of all, Mukasey is admitting, whether he wants to admit it or not, that the Bush/Cheney program of capturing alleged terrorists and holding them for years as enemy combatants without charge in detention centers in Afghanistan, Iraq, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and various undisclosed locations around the globe, and of torturing many of them, are illegal actions that violate US law and International Law. So let's give him credit for that.

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By seashell on Jul 24, 2008 5:30 PM EDT

by Robert Scheer | July 23, 2008 - 10:44am | permalink
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— from Truthdig

Barack Obama is betraying his promise of change and is in danger of becoming just another political hack.

Yes, just like former maverick John McCain, who has refashioned himself as a mindless rubber stamp for the most inane policies of the miserably failed Bush administration. Both candidates are embracing, rather than challenging, the fundamental irrationality of Bush's "war on terror," which substitutes hysteria for rational analysis in appraising the dangers the country faces.

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By seashell on Jul 24, 2008 5:31 PM EDT

by Elizabeth de la Vega | July 23, 2008 - 10:23am | permalink
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— from TomDispatch

"Lisa, the whole reason we have elected officials is so we don't have to think all the time. Just like that rainforest scare a few years back. Our officials saw there was a problem and they fixed it, didn't they?" -- Homer Simpson

On June 24, 2008, Louie and I curled up on the couch to watch seven of the nation's foremost water resources experts testify before the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee's Subcommittee on Water Resources and Environment.

This was a new experience for us. For my part, the issue to be addressed -- "Comprehensive Watershed Management Planning" -- was certainly a change of pace from the subjects I ordinarily follow in Judiciary and Intelligence Committee hearings. I wasn't even entirely sure what a "watershed" was. I knew that, in a metaphorical sense, the word referred to a turning point, but I was a bit fuzzy about its meaning in the world of hydrology. (It's the term used to describe "all land and water areas that drain toward a river or lake.")

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By seashell on Jul 24, 2008 5:32 PM EDT

by Frida Berrigan | July 23, 2008 - 9:43am | permalink
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— from Foreign Policy In Focus

As the 63rd anniversary of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki approaches, the world continues to face a litany of nuclear concerns. There is the failure to safeguard all the nuclear material lying loose around the globe. And proponents of nuclear power have gained ground as a result of the current energy crisis.

But the radioactive rhetoric printed on newspaper opinion pages and proclaimed from would-be presidential podiums puts Iran at the top of the nuclear list.

“Bomb, Bomb Iran,” sang John McCain -- the man running for President of the United States on a record of foreign policy experience, military know-how, and gravitas -- to the tune of The Beach Boys hit “Barbara Ann.” More recently, Benny Morris, an Israeli historian writing in The New York Times, opined that “Israel’s own nuclear arsenal” could be “the only means available that will actually destroy the Iranian nuclear project,” laying out a new argument for the central fallacy of the Cold War -- winnable nuclear war -- long thought to be in the ash bin of history.

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- FYI

By Imn2Paine on Jul 24, 2008 5:33 PM EDT

Tom Ridge is on HAIRBALL (HARDBALL) WITH THE LOUD MOUTH SYCOPHANT

and the I will help the Republicans win elections sycophant is going on and on and on polishing Tom Ridge's ball for the spoon-fed public.

 

FYI

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By seashell on Jul 24, 2008 5:33 PM EDT

by Brent Budowsky | July 23, 2008 - 9:08am | permalink
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Barack Obama is taking a commanding position in the national security debate. Governments in Iraq and Afghanistan clearly prefer the Obama strategy. They clearly reject the McCain idea that appears to support a permanent U.S. mega-presence in Iraq. They strongly support Obama's strategy of a major diplomatic initiative towards Iran to test that option.

McCain's problem is simple: He cannot provide any meaningful support to Afghanistan without also providing some meaningful withdrawal from Iraq. This is basic common sense and basic military strategy grounded in reality.

McCain's problem is political: From day one, he has always shortchanged the real war against terrorism and the war in Afghanistan in favor of the wrong war in Iraq.

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By Imn2Paine on Jul 24, 2008 5:34 PM EDT

ball s/b balls

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- not that I have intimate knowledge.

By Imn2Paine on Jul 24, 2008 5:35 PM EDT
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- love these open threads!

By mary vb on Jul 24, 2008 5:40 PM EDT

too bad I can't recommend!

I liked the Obama speech today. Grampy McCain looks like a constipated old fool complaining about Barack EACH AND EVERY DAY. It's getting old - but why is he gaining in the polls?

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- but why is he gaining in the polls?

By Karen on Jul 24, 2008 5:44 PM EDT

mary vb~ what polls? None that I've seen show that.

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- If they're the polls paid for by the corporate media I wouldn't pay to much attention to them.

By Susan Rowe on Jul 24, 2008 6:59 PM EDT
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- McCain in the grocery store had prune juice on the shelf just behind him.

By Phil Specht on Jul 24, 2008 5:54 PM EDT

I kid you not. what a youtube opportunity

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- McCain in the grocery store had prune juice on the shelf just behind him.

By Karen on Jul 24, 2008 6:39 PM EDT

ROTFLMAO!

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- McCain Campaign Running Obama-Castro Ad

By Karen on Jul 24, 2008 5:42 PM EDT
The McCain campaign has a new web ad out placing Barack Obama, for the second time, side-by-side with a foreign dictator. This time, it's Fidel Castro.

A Democrat in south Florida alerted the Huffington Post to the image, which shows Obama and Castro, profiled side-by-side, above a quote from the Cuban leader praising the Illinois Democrat as "the most advanced candidate."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/24/mccain-campaign-running-o_n_114657.html

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- Full script of Obama's speech

By Imn2Paine on Jul 24, 2008 5:37 PM EDT
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- Full script of Obama's speech

By Imn2Paine on Jul 24, 2008 5:37 PM EDT
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- thanks

By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jul 24, 2008 5:51 PM EDT

Paine, you mean you were directed to the wc right when logging in?  weird.

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to all - it might be worth retrying the recommend for this thread so it doesn't roll off.  soemtimes it works, sometimes it don't

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By Imn2Paine on Jul 24, 2008 5:59 PM EDT

Yup, the 9AM WC

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- Obama Public Event in Berlin

By Imn2Paine on Jul 24, 2008 5:44 PM EDT
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- worth a repeat just to see the welcome he got

By Phil Specht on Jul 24, 2008 6:04 PM EDT
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- It was another winner, Phil

By Imn2Paine on Jul 24, 2008 6:12 PM EDT
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- Bush Bans State Department Officials From Obama Rally

By Karen on Jul 24, 2008 5:46 PM EDT

In a flagrant political act, the State Department has barred its employees from attending Sen. Barack Obama's speech in Berlin tonight. Under the pretense that he is maintaining political neutrality, the Washington Post reported today, State Department Undersecretary for Management Patrick F. Kennedy has interpreted the Foreign Affairs Manual in the most restrictive way, claiming that he is ensuring that foreign service officials will remain untainted by a "partisan political act."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jacob-heilbrunn/bush-bans-state-departmen_b_114696.html

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By Imn2Paine on Jul 24, 2008 5:59 PM EDT

wow, Barack is calling to Germany, Europe, and all the world join together to fight "at a new crossroad"

against the terrorists

and more...

But together Barack gathers all.

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- These now are the walls we must tear down.

By Imn2Paine on Jul 24, 2008 6:03 PM EDT

Yes, there have been differences between America and Europe. No doubt, there will be differences in the future. But the burdens of global citizenship continue to bind us together. A change of leadership in Washington will not lift this burden. In this new century, Americans and Europeans alike will be required to do more - not less. Partnership and cooperation among nations is not a choice; it is the one way, the only way, to protect our common security and advance our common humanity.

That is why the greatest danger of all is to allow new walls to divide us from one another.

The walls between old allies on either side of the Atlantic cannot stand. The walls between the countries with the most and those with the least cannot stand. The walls between races and tribes; natives and immigrants; Christian and Muslim and Jew cannot stand. These now are the walls we must tear down.

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- Barack leds numerous paragraphs with:

By Imn2Paine on Jul 24, 2008 6:06 PM EDT

This is the moment...

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- this blog "knows the dream of freedom"

By Phil Specht on Jul 24, 2008 6:06 PM EDT
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- This is the time

By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jul 24, 2008 6:16 PM EDT

clipped a few phrases that seemed applicable...

 

"There is only one possibility... "For us to stand together
united until this battle is won

...we cannot afford to be divided

Partnership and cooperation...  Now is the time to build new bridges... We have too much at stake

...we must reject the Cold War mind-set... This is the moment when we must come together

This is the moment to stand as one.

Will we acknowledge that there is no more powerful example than the one each of (us)  projects

 

HQ - please take down the wall and talk with us.

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- ~:-)~

By Imn2Paine on Jul 24, 2008 6:16 PM EDT
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- "kept the flame of hope burning"

By Phil Specht on Jul 24, 2008 6:09 PM EDT

stand together united until this battle is won

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- Sorry, but...

By Imn2Paine on Jul 24, 2008 6:08 PM EDT

I disagree with the corporate media

which from what I have heard sas, "the speech was not a big event"

 

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People of Berlin - and people of the world - the scale of our challenge is great. The road ahead will be long. But I come before you to say that we are heirs to a struggle for freedom. We are a people of improbable hope. Let us build on our common history, and seize our common destiny, and once again engage in that noble struggle to bring justice and peace to our world.
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- Maybe, instead of OPEN THREAD

By Imn2Paine on Jul 24, 2008 6:11 PM EDT