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Sometimes too much of a good is not such good thing.
That is what occurs when democrats succeed at local level, specially when they eliminate any possibility of any one running in any other alternative ticket- read republican- to get elected (by any means). Like in the case of Westchester republicans who want to make a career in politics are giving up registering as republicans and registering in the democratic party as their ticket to get into elected office.
In some cases they are just switching party lines in the middle of their tenure.
The knowledge we are gathering is in the direction of tide has turned against republicans. Specially those who were in the Bush line for the past two elections and in Westchester are a bunch of that kind.
The polls say if you are a republican you better run fast to change ‘your values’ or the probability of defeat is too high, for them the risk or losing the cushy seats has become too large to ignore.
This is no indication that many democrats will change their “values’ to face this new wave of competition from their comrades of the “right” so they have few alternatives, one is to run as democrats or continue to run as pseudo-democrats pleasing conservatives.
One interesting movement is emerging around the country, as we are seeing the fierce battle in Maryland 4 Congressional District, in which a progressive democrat is challenging another democrat in this case a conservative democrat. The district is solid democrat, solid African American and consistent with low middle income needs.
What is important here is that progressive democrats are learning a painful lesson, that all democrats are bearers for democracy nor they are carriers of what the publicized Democratic party pamphlets distribute. Progressive democrats are tired of what is been said and what is been done –vote in congress- is totally a different thing.
The proof is one the cake. Westchester needs progressive democrats to challenge the old frame conservative democrats. There is a need for change that is clear and the Democratic candidates for president are sending an urgent message to all progressives: the old guard wants more of the same, thus, progressive must get ready to lead and challenge in all levels!
What would Tom Saenz say about DLC New Dem co-founder, TIm Roemer of Indiana and 9/11 fame, endorsing Obama today. Makes me wonder if Evan Bayh is far behind?
The DLC is starting to play both front-runners in hope of hedging their bets. Obama didn't distance himself from this endorsement
There is, of course, a third choice, and he has the same last name as the progressive candidate in MD-04 (Donna Edwards)
The DLC is starting to play both front-runners in hope of hedging their bets. Obama didn't distance himself from this endorsement
Ordinary people don't care about these endorsements. It's just politicians jumping on the bandwagon that they think offers the best possibilities for their own advancment.
Found linked on Huffpost:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesm...
Says ABC's reportage of a dustup with Obama was quite exaggerated. Video is here. Decide for yourself. Are there really 2 g's in exaggerated?
ABC News Badly Mischaracterizes Obama's Alleged "Testy Exchange" With Reporter
January 23, 2008 -- 10:28 AM EST
Sitka
Wed, 01/23/08
True...it's inside baseball. But do we care? Are we all about electing AOD now (Any Old Dem)?
Does it mean anything to have the co-founder of the DLC New Dems endorse Obama?
Does this play into Clinton's "fairy tale" attack on obama not being a real progressive?
We are a knowledge political community so it seems fitting to discuss it. It is alarming to me since I know Tim (he's a great guy but just Conservative).
I think Sitka has it right Indy Steve. Obama is the front runner right now and the likes of Roemer and the DLC are trying to gain themselves from the association, and if you really are a big tent guy like Obama you let them, heck he wants everyone to unite, that leaves a crack for the DLC to slither in.
I think you have to let someone with serious national security credentials inside the circle, better yet two others with differing views, so that when all three reach a concensus you pay attention. Tim Roemer could work as the conservative of such a group. I don't consider him as dishonest, just a little politically misguided..
Here's what puzzles me. Obama didn't help found or join any congressional wing of the DLC. He didn't cosponsor a bill granting, or vote in favor of, war authority for the president. Edwards did those things, yet Edwards supporters cut him slack for distancing himself from his own actions, and give grief to Obama for receiving support from people they wish to claim are affiliated or aligned with the DLC.
You obviously understand that Obama can't atone for or disavow such things the way Edwards can, because he didn't do them. Edwards gains an indulgence with his apology for his lapses of judgment, but Obama can't get a break for perceived injuries he is not responsible for in any way. I can't follow the criticial thought process.
Tom wrote: You obviously understand that Obama can't atone for or disavow such things the way Edwards can, because he didn't do them
No, of course not, Edwards has taken responsibility for his own votes, so should Obama try to accept responsibility for his own, but he hasn't yet, always makes excuses. When you bring up his votes, example, not voting [we had a deal/that's how we do it in Chicago] voting no to cap interest rates [I would have liked it lower than 30 pct (WHAT?)/ well, we didn't talk about it first), he consistently voted to keep the war going and fund it for the 2 years after elected on opposing the war [they are distoring my record].
The people who aren't his followers see and hear that.
I'm not endorsing anyone who endorses any candidate, nor drawing any conclusions about the candidates based on it. I seem to remember not being too impressed with a few who jumped on Dean's wagon when it was riding high. It's just a game pols play with each other.
Blog was broke good that time.
Edwards' chief economic advisor is on the Newshour opposite some heritage foundation guy that sounds just like our Fox
rdorgan
me agreeing with sitka must have broken the blog, lol, i got all my feeding done while it was broke and didn't miss a thing
It seems like a lot of African Americans are pissed off at the Billary tag team for attacking Obama, especially in South Carolina.
Judgement Day is this Sat 1/26.
the blog jumping though is still a constant reminder of the good ole BFA blog quirks
Joe Stiglitz is the economist Edwards listens to. He makes sense to me too.
And we're back. Have you noticed the schedule for the training academies?
you have to have been a long time user of this blog to suffer through the quirks, but losing the clock was supposed to end the jumping around and did for a while 6:18 CST now
It should be on the side of your link group.
Seattle, WA Feb 23-24
Mar. 1-2
East Bay, CA
Mar. 8-9
Birmingham, AL
Mar. 15-16
Dallas, TX
Mar. 29-30
Oklahoma City, OK
Apr. 5-6
San Diego, CA
Apr. 12-13
Charleston, SC
Apr. 26-17
Somerset, NJ
May 3-4
Rochester, NY
May 10-11
Cincinnati, OH
May 17-18
Missoula, MT
May 31-June 1
Pittsburgh, PA
June 7-8
Lansing, MI
June 14-15
Kansas City, MO
June 21-22
Albuquerque, NM
July 12-13
Miami, FL
July 17-20
Netroots Nation
July 26-27
Milwaukee, WI
Aug. 2-3
DFA Grassroots All-star
Aug. 27-30
DNC Convention
10. I think some are hedging their bets as to who they think will win. Front runners....Well, like Molly Ivins I always seem to pick a candidate who doesn't win the election. But I do hold out hope for Obama. Bill is getting more and more unbalanced.
As a diarist at Kos noted: Where was the anger over the war, wiretapping, etc over the past eight years?
The time is now 7:23 EST
James Fallows explains the Chinese banking relationship with our Government quite well too, a very informative Newshour tonight
I just finished talking with John -- and he's committed to going all the way to the Democratic Convention, taking the nomination and then on to the White House.
We're going to win delegates in South Carolina -- and we're going to win delegates in other critical states on February 5. And with John McCain emerging as the likely nominee for the Republicans, it's becoming clear there is only one Democratic candidate who can win against him in November -- and that is John Edwards.
Poll after poll shows it is John Edwards who can beat any of the Republican candidates in the general election. Now is the time when John Edwards needs your support the most.
That's why I'm making a special appeal for a contribution to help keep John and this campaign fighting for the boldest agenda of change of any candidate.
Click here to make a contribution now
Your support allows us to expand the broadcast of our campaign spots in those states where we know we can win delegates on February 5, put additional phone banks into place for South Carolina this week and move field staff into the next round of contests.
This is very dangerous. They messed up the Republican Party and America so badly that they now want Democrats? Let them stay in the Republican Party and clean up their messes. The Democratic Party has enough DINO's in it.
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...Like in the case of Westchester republicans who want to make a career in politics are giving up registering as republicans and registering in the democratic party as their ticket to get into elected office.
In some cases they are just switching party lines in the middle of their tenure. ...
want Democrats s/b want to be Democrats
14.
Is Bill becoming unplugged (unglued, unbalanced) ?
At the end of the exchange, Clinton told the CNN reporter, "Shame on you."
Fact Check: Obama strong on choice
Check out these videos featuring Lorna Brett Howard, the former President of Chicago NOW (National Organization of Women).
In this video, Lorna describes why she went from being a Clinton supporter to a strong Obama supporter, in the wake of Clinton's misleading attacks on Obama's record on choice...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVuMYKs8iJs&eurl=http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/hqblog
In this video, Lorna describes how Senator Obama was a critical advocate in the fight to preserve choice in South Dakota...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILVLzbBcs8A&eurl=http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/hqblog
young people who have initially registered as independents and who are now switching registration is a very different group and is why I like the prospect of a three person race for many weeks to come because they all have a different appeal and for different reasons expand the party
DINOs are a very small part of the voter switch
Selective browser syndrome. Opera not working. Dodd has started on the floor of the Senate.
Makeover1.jpg
from end of last broken thread....wow, what a roll I'm on. :-)
The Clintons will take down BO along with the party. The rancor continues and eventually the voters may tire and turn towards JE. IMO
What I think right now is this: To save the party and to prevent HC from winning and to prevent the Clintons from dragging BO into the dirt with them, BO and JE need to NOW band together or do so right after super Tues. Neither has the foreign policy experience I like but maybe Richardson and Dodd and Biden and the other good people could greatly help out.
I'd rather see BO as VP, then see him having to defend himself down in the slime and I really don't see it getting any better. Hillary's fix is in to be prez. He can run for the prez and I wish him well, but he'll be in the mud...and in the end, I think both HC and BO will lose, along with the party. As VP, BO can move into the WH in 8 years, more seasoned and hopefully more progressive.
If something doesn't happen to unite them, we'll have a McC prez and the end to America.
Just my 2 cents.
The Greenville News endorses Barack Obama in Democratic primary
Obama could help nation face its challenges
In this race to capture to the Democratic Party?s nomination, Obama makes the most compelling case for his nomination when he describes the differences between himself and Sen. Clinton. She is more comfortable with the "Washington lobby culture," he told our editorial board, and as seen in the failed health-care campaign in 1993, she is comfortable operating behind closed doors and trying to demonize her opponents.
Obama?s approach to governing would be based on openness, inclusiveness and transparency. That approach would serve our country well. ?
http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080123/NEWS01/80123028
Just a drive-by...busy tonight...but wanted to say that maybe anyone can make a difference if they just get involved.
I mentioned last year how terrible Vermont's meal & break laws were...some of the most lax and vague in the nation which were abused where my wife previously worked. I started the wheels in motion, worked with my Representative and he has sponsored a bill that has been introduced this legislative session.
http://www.leg.state.vt.us/docs/legdoc.c...
We've got our fingers crossed that it becomes law. This is pretty exciting to me.
The Rock Hill Herald (SC) Endorses Barack Obama
Barack Obama, at 46, could have waited four or even eight years to run for the presidency, but decided that this year’s campaign was his moment.We think he was right; his candidacy is ideally suited for this point in the nation’s history. Obama, more than any other candidate in either party, has based his campaign on the promise of positive change in Washington and an effort to heal the caustic partisan rift that divides not only the nation’s capital but also much of the nation.
The promise of change is nothing unique in the rhetoric of the stump. But we think Obama brings both a unique biography and an impressive set of skills to this campaign.
Obama, son of a black father from Kenya and a white mother from Kansas, is the first African-American to contend seriously for the presidency. As a child, he lived for four years in predominantly Muslim Indonesia before moving with his mother to Hawaii. And after graduating from Columbia University in 1983, he deferred the pursuit of a career to work as a community organizer for a church-based group in the poor neighborhoods of Chicago.
A lot of excitement today with the news starting to peak of Al Gore's latest 2 video's he uploaded. Most notable attention to the Gay rights that advocates marriage I posted yesterday. Here is a great article that just appeared on Huff Post.
Posted January 23, 2008 | 05:27 PM (EST)
Just posted and got bumped all the way back to 20...sheesh!
Glad I'm busy tonight...blog is wee bit too jumpy for me...good luck to the ones sticking it out here.
Chris Dodd is writing a epilogue to JFK's book Profiles in Courage
the blog is jumping again and might go down so I'll post my last thought before I get something to eat
Chris Dodd strikes me as a guy who could sit down in the Oval Office and function very well as President at a moment's notice making him ideal VP material.
comment on billary.........does bill clinton really enjoy such a huge reserve of affection from democrats that he can do anything to attack his wife's leading opponent and get away with it? even when he was facing impeachment [actually, a bloodless coup attempt by the right-wingers] and most of the dems rallied behind him, one group did not--it was the founding organization of moveon.org....'censure and move on.' they didn't approve of bill's antics then, and i'm quite certain not now.
happy monicagate!
comment on billary.........does bill clinton really enjoy such a huge reserve of affection from democrats that he can do anything to attack his wife's leading opponent and get away with it? even when he was facing impeachment [actually, a bloodless coup attempt by the right-wingers] and most of the dems rallied behind him, one group did not--it was the founding organization of moveon.org....'censure and move on.' they didn't approve of bill's antics then, and i'm quite certain not now.
happy monicagate!
comment on billary.........does bill clinton really enjoy such a huge reserve of affection from democrats that he can do anything to attack his wife's leading opponent and get away with it? even when he was facing impeachment [actually, a bloodless coup attempt by the right-wingers] and most of the dems rallied behind him, one group did not--it was the founding organization of moveon.org....'censure and move on.' they didn't approve of bill's antics then, and i'm quite certain not now.
happy monicagate!
what's the problem with the server??
I think I just heard Keithie saying that JE will be on tonight.
It appears related to the AllStar Voting results update IT.
Good morning I guess!
It's 6:08 on Thursday. I must say I like Edwards idea for the economic crisis more than the other two. He wants to green USA thereby creating jobs, etc, which I've been saying for a long time. This is looking like Iowa in 2004 when Howard and Daschle destroyed each other and Kerry and Edwards came out smelling like a rose.
It's nice to have the blog back.
I hope JudyforDean reports on her big evening.
6:10 Thursday morning. ET
there appears to be a stuck sub routine in the candidate photos page
better check the vote custody chain as well
Annilow it is still habging up so may quit at any time.
Judy must have been frustrated to not be able to report, she need to keep notes of immpressions so she can share when it is working
35 below wind chill here so my concern turns to the animals anyway
bbl
OK Phil - on my screen the blue bars are bouncing around so some must have 'blown borders' as we used to say. I guess I'll come back later. Bummer.
Scr*w Bush/Cheney. Impeach Reid/Pelosi.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/23/...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/23/...
Dodd '08?
What happened to his fillibuster? I do not really understand these things.
This is the most exreme winter we have had in decades, which is forecast in the global warming models as the switch flips in the South Pacific.
Bad news is it signals a widespread drought in the midwest as well for next summer
Good idea
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Harry Reid, having let the Republicans hold up every legislative proposal the Democrats wanted with purely "paper" filibusters, has now decreed that if Chris Dodd wants to stop the telecom-amnesty bill he's going to have to mount a "live" filibuster. What would happen if Barack Obama announced Saturday night, or even tomorrow, that he was going to fly directly from his South Carolina victory celebration back to DC to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Dodd against executive-branch lawlessness? (Obama, like Clinton, is already on record supporting Dodd against the Cheney-Reid axis.)
Yes, that would take him off the campaign trail for a while. But I bet he could get more, and more favorable, free media from the Senate floor than he could from the tarmac somewhere in California. And it would leave HRC with the option of joining him — making Obama look like the leader and HRC the follower — or remaining on the campaign trail herself, dramatically illustrating the difference between patriotic leadership and raw ambition.
Looks to me like a plan with a big upside and a small downside.
unquote
January 23, 2008
Obama and the telecom amnesty bill
Posted by Mark Kleiman
http://www.samefacts.com/archives/campai...
6:38 AM on Thursday
I guess it's more fun playing in the sandbox by myself than not playing in the sandbox at all.
Good idea
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Harry Reid, having let the Republicans hold up every legislative proposal the Democrats wanted with purely "paper" filibusters, has now decreed that if Chris Dodd wants to stop the telecom-amnesty bill he's going to have to mount a "live" filibuster. What would happen if Barack Obama announced Saturday night, or even tomorrow, that he was going to fly directly from his South Carolina victory celebration back to DC to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Dodd against executive-branch lawlessness? (Obama, like Clinton, is already on record supporting Dodd against the Cheney-Reid axis.)
Yes, that would take him off the campaign trail for a while. But I bet he could get more, and more favorable, free media from the Senate floor than he could from the tarmac somewhere in California. And it would leave HRC with the option of joining him — making Obama look like the leader and HRC the follower — or remaining on the campaign trail herself, dramatically illustrating the difference between patriotic leadership and raw ambition.
Looks to me like a plan with a big upside and a small downside.
unquote
January 23, 2008
Obama and the telecom amnesty bill
Posted by Mark Kleiman
http://www.samefacts.com/archives/campai...
6:38 AM on Thursday
I guess it's more fun playing in the sandbox by myself than not playing in the sandbox at all.
Corporate Dems appear ready to roll over on the stimulus package as well.
Sorry for the double post.
Phil - our weather world sounds like Biblical times. The water thing is the scariest of all but I feel so for the animals - both domestic and wild.
I can't believe Reid is rolling over on FISA but I guess anything to get the (bad) stimulus package through -- why give out a pittance of a 'rebate' using nonexistent money????? And those too poor to pay taxes who really need it won't even get it I guess.
what does it say to Obama students of his Constitutional Law classes if he doesn't rise in defense of the Constitution on the Senate Floor?
I've been waiting for a definitive speech against the bushco abuses for a long time from the Professor.
it looks like a third party is involved in verifying email addresses for the all star voting which means a hack or a vendor problem
DFA needs to hire Tea Time Tim
58. I hate to blame it on the interns, but I'll blame it on the interns.
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By Tom Bearse on Jan 23, 2008 3:21 PM ESTI suppose you've heard that Dean is first.