Howard was first again tonight up on the debate stage!  I saw him and his huge, wonderful smile still intact.

Guess who's winning this one?

"Who won the Democratic debate in S.C. tonight?"

cnn.com 

This Is London
January 21, 2008

The stock market was in meltdown today as nearly £60billion was wiped off London shares as fears of a US recession sparked a global sell-off.

The bloodbath saw the Footsie plummet by 5.5 per cent, losing 323.5 points to close at 5578.2 - its biggest one-day points drop since the September 11 terrorist attacks in 2001.

The Footsie has now fallen by around 10 per cent in the last 10 days, by around 15 per cent over the last month and is well on the way to being off 20 per cent since its most recent high of 6754 in July - before the world’s banking system was sent spiralling.

It is also the worst start to the year for the stock market since records began in 1936.

“I smell the acrid stench of fear and uncertainty,” said markets commentator David Buik of BGC Partners.

Shares across Europe also dived and Asian stock markets suffered heavy overnight losses as fears over the health of the world’s biggest economy swept through markets across the globe.

The falls followed Friday’s falls for the Dow Jones Industrial Average on Wall Street, when investors were left unimpressed by the US Government’s tax-relief plans to spur on the economy.

Rumours that Bank of China may become the latest banking giant to reveal a financial hit from the collapse of America’s sub-prime mortgage market also tested investor nerves

The fall in the Footsie came after figures revealed a record government borrowing deficit for December of £7.8billion.

Howard Archer of forecasters Global Insight said: “The Chancellor’s target of cutting public sector borrowing next fiscal year now looks like wishful thinking.”

Big fallers included Wolseley, the building supplies company, which reported a 40 per cent drop in profits.

The grim economic outlook comes as Gordon Brown has announced a rescue plan for the ailing Northern Rock.

The Treasury aims to sell millions of Government-backed bonds which will effectively prop up the bank, a move which is likely to make it more attractive to private investors.

The news sent shares in the stricken bank soaring this morning.

Mark Outten, senior trader at GFT Global Markets, said: “There is a general nervousness in the markets at the moment over an economic slowdown.”

Last week, the index dipped below the 6,000 barrier for the first time since the start of the credit crunch in August.

HSBC and Royal Bank of Scotland - both with heavy exposure to the US economy - each saw significant losses.

UN Wants Final Word on Rearing Your Kids

American Free Press | January 21, 2008

While pressing senators to reject the Law of the Sea Treaty, or LOST, patriots should also urge rejection of another "convention" sent to the chamber by Bilderberg President Bill Clinton that has been lurking since 1995. If the Senate ratifies the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, the world body, not parents, will decide how to rear children.

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The Senate is likely to get a significant makeover in the 2008 election. If your senators are incumbents with a good, America-first record, contact them and warn them of these two treaties. If one or both are new boys, give the man in-depth education. Even senators who are normally on good behavior can cast odd votes. For example, the late Sen. William Proxmire (D-Wis.) was a strong patriot and pork-fighter. But, unexplainably, he advocated ratification of the UN's so-called "genocide treaty."

If the Senate ratifies Rights of the Child, the state. acting under UN direction, will decide what your children read, who they associate with, what discipline (if any) can be imposed and whether or not they can be home schooled (home-schooled children perform significantly better academically than their peers in public schools).

But, regardless of merit or lack thereof, the UN should have no role in rearing America's children. For that matter, Congress has no role in state school systems under the 10th Amendment.

Brent Jessop
Information Liberation
January 19, 2008

The Impact of Science on Society - Part 1

"So long as the rulers are comfortable, what reason have they to improve the lot of their serfs?"- Bertrand Russell, 1952 (p61)

Bertrand Russell in his 1952 book The Impact of Science on Society* he describes the effects of "scientific technique" on the increasing control of societies by an ever shrinking number of people. As we will see, "scientific technique" is much more than just the development and widespread use of new technology, but first some of its effects.

Bertrand Arthur William Russell, 3rd Earl Russell (1872-1970) was a renowned British philosopher and mathematician who was an adamant internationalist and worked extensively on the education of young children. He was the founder of the Pugwash movement which used the spectre of Cold War nuclear annihilation to push for world government. Among many other prizes, Russell was awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature in 1950 and UNESCO’s (United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization) Kalinga prize in 1957.

Carl Mortished
Times Online
January 18, 2008

Doom-laden forecasts that world oil supplies are poised to fall off the edge of a cliff are wide of the mark, according to leading oil industry experts who gave warning that human factors, not geology, will drive the oil market.

A landmark study of more than 800 oilfields by Cambridge Energy Research Associates (Cera) has concluded that rates of decline are only 4.5 per cent a year, almost half the rate previously believed, leading the consultancy to conclude that oil output will continue to rise over the next decade.

http://ww Mexican Gov't To Run Pro-illegal Alien Ads On American T.V.w.liveleak.com/view?i=130_1200616611

First time I have gotten this site to load all day.   It kept freezing on me with about 22 items left to download. 

Has anyone heard what Harry Reid is doing with the FISA bill this week?    I think we need to be on guard.

Glenn Greenwald says Harry Reid determined to bring FISA bill with retroactive immunity to the floor

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1766

"In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man; brave, hated, and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."

-Mark Twain

Congressman Ron Paul is the leading advocate for freedom in our nation’s capital. As a member of the U.S. House of Representatives, Dr. Paul works tirelessly towards limited constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, and a return to sound monetary policies. His congressional colleagues and constituents hold him in the highest regard for his consistent voting record. Dr. Paul never votes for legislation unless the proposed measure is expressly authorized by the Constitution. In the words of former Treasury Secretary William Simon, Dr. Paul is the “one exception to the Gang of 535” on Capitol Hill.

Ron Paul was born and raised in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. He graduated from Gettysburg College and the Duke University School of Medicine before proudly serving as a flight surgeon in the U.S. Air Force during the 1960s. He and his wife Carol moved to Texas in 1968, where he began his medical practice in Brazoria County. As a specialist in obstetrics/gynecology, Dr. Paul has delivered more than 4,000 babies. He and Carol, who reside in Lake Jackson, Texas, are the proud parents of five children and have 17 grandchildren.

While serving in Congress during the late 1970s and early 1980s, Dr. Paul’s limited-government ideals were not popular in Washington. In 1976, he was one of only four Republican congressmen to endorse Ronald Reagan for president.

During that time, Congressman Paul served on the House Banking committee, where he was a strong advocate for sound monetary policy and an outspoken critic of the Federal Reserve’s inflationary measures. He proved himself an unwavering proponent of pro-life and pro-family values. Dr. Paul consistently voted to lower or abolish federal taxes, spending and regulation. He strategically used his House seat by actively promoting the return of government to its proper constitutional standards. In 1984, he voluntarily relinquished his House seat and returned to his medical practice.

Dr. Paul returned to Congress in 1997 to represent the 14th Congressional District of Texas. He presently serves on the House Committee on Financial Services and the House Committee on Foreign Affairs. He continues to plead his case for a dramatic reduction in the size of the federal government and a restoration to constitutional principles.

Congressman Paul’s irrefutably consistent voting record prompted one of his congressional colleagues to say, “Ron Paul personifies the ‘Founding Fathers’ ideal of the citizen-statesman. He makes it clear that his principles will never be compromised, and they never are.” Another colleague observed, “There are few people in public life who, through thick and thin, rain or shine, stick to their principles. Ron Paul is one of those few.”

VOTING RECORD:

Ron Paul has never voted to raise taxes.

He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.

He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.

He has never voted to raise congressional pay.

He has never taken a government-paid junket.

He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

Ron Paul voted against the Patriot Act.

He voted against regulating the Internet.

He voted against the Iraq war.

Ron Paul does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program. He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

Ron Paul introduces numerous pieces of substantive legislation each year, likely more than any other single member of Congress.

Obama Takes on the Queen of Hearts

In Monday night's debate, all three candidates went at each other. But Obama finally opened up some cuts on the Clintons, calling out Hillary for lecturing him about supposedly being soft on Reagan. "While I was working in the streets watching those folks watch their jobs shift overseas," he said staring at Clinton and referring to those who suffered under Reagan's policies, "you were a corporate lawyer sitting on the board of Wal-Mart."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marc-cooper/obama-takes-on-the-queen-_b_82573.html

Mark Halperin’s Grades:

Obama A-
Clinton B+
Edwards B+

http://thepage.time.com/

January 20, 2008

The Honorable John R. Edwards
410 Market Street
Suite 400
Chapel Hill, NC 27516

Dear Senator Edwards:

It was good meeting with you yesterday and discussing my father's legacy. On the day when the nation will honor my father, I wanted to follow up with a personal note.

There has been, and will continue to be, a lot of back and forth in the political arena over my father's legacy. It is a commentary on the breadth and depth of his impact that so many people want to claim his legacy. I am concerned that we do not blur the lines and obscure the truth about what he stood for: speaking up for justice for those who have no voice.

I appreciate that on the major issues of health care, the environment, and the economy, you have framed the issues for what they are - a struggle for justice. And, you have almost single-handedly made poverty an issue in this election.

You know as well as anyone that the 37 million people living in poverty have no voice in our system. They don't have lobbyists in Washington and they don't get to go to lunch with members of Congress. Speaking up for them is not politically convenient. But, it is the right thing to do.

I am disturbed by how little attention the topic of economic justice has received during this campaign. I want to challenge all candidates to follow your lead, and speak up loudly and forcefully on the issue of economic justice in America.

From our conversation yesterday, I know this is personal for you. I know you know what it means to come from nothing. I know you know what it means to get the opportunities you need to build a better life. And, I know you know that injustice is alive and well in America, because millions of people will never get the same opportunities you had.

I believe that now, more than ever, we need a leader who wakes up every morning with the knowledge of that injustice in the forefront of their minds, and who knows that when we commit ourselves to a cause as a nation, we can make major strides in our own lifetimes. My father was not driven by an illusory vision of a perfect society. He was driven by the certain knowledge that when people of good faith and strong principles commit to making things better, we can change hearts, we can change minds, and we can change lives.

So, I urge you: keep going. Ignore the pundits, who think this is a horserace, not a fight for justice. My dad was a fighter. As a friend and a believer in my father's words that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere, I say to you: keep going. Keep fighting. My father would be proud.

Sincerely,

Martin L. King, III

I didn't enjoy Obama's show tonight, but I guess that's not a surprise being a non supporter.

He grandstands with fake attacks to go on the attack. I want to move on, but let me.......

"I want a new kind of poltics", but let me toss out a zinger. Then claim other's are attacking me.

He wanted to stick with that theme so much, he broke a conversation to interject another claim. No one was talking about it. But again, I want to talk about the issues, but what about when you did .....

I appreciate his supporters, like the ones in the crowd who started clapping before he even said anything, just like the attacks on his opposition, but that's not founded and quite bad form and childish imo.

Linda

Thank you for that letter.

I remember King as a man fighting for peace and economic justice as well.

What Hillary forgets as she remembers LBJ as the President of Civil Rights, was that he became the War Party President, and that derailed all of the other good he was attempting to do.

NY Newsday   |   MARTIN C. EVANS   |   August 30, 2007 08:47 AM

• more great ATTRIBUTES thats what we need!!!!!!!! what a joke!

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, stung by criticism for accepting campaign contributions from a convicted felon with questionable fundraising practices, will donate the $23,000 he gave her to charity.

"In light of the new information regarding Mr. Hsu's outstanding warrant in California, we will be giving his contributions to charity," said Clinton spokesman Phil Singer. "We regularly review contributions as we receive them," he said, adding that "we will continue our practice of scrutinizing contributions and, should we have a basis to return a contribution, we will do so."...

...Hsu also made donations to the Illinois senatorial campaign of Barack Obama in 2004. Yesterday, spokesman Jen Psaki said Obama, who has criticized Clinton for taking contributions that could undermine her independence, had no plans to return Hsu's donations.

no justice no peace, no peace no justice

12:00 CST and a new day in the heartland

24 straight hours of snow here yesterday

I'm reminded of what a geology professor talking about the productive soils on top of a landscape ground down by glaciers a mere 10,000 years ago came as a previous warming first melted the artic and then piled lake effect snow a mile deep on the Canadian schield and squeezed the ice into Iowa

Doom-laden forecasts that world oil supplies are poised to fall off the edge of a cliff are wide of the mark

Who cares? It's the climate that's about to fall off a cliff. Leave the stinking oil in the ground. 

phil the civil right bill was kennedy he stole most of jfk policy  lbj has blood on his hands jack too! what little he did  doest make up for the bad,

So, I urge you: keep going. Ignore the pundits, who think this is a horserace, not a fight for justice.

That letter should have gone to Kucinich. 

If I see a glacier headed my way I'm going to put away my snow moving equipment and move south.

Charlie Rose is interesting tonight.  ... fun to watch him learning at the knee of a guest

dont fall for man made globle warming its all about a carbon tax! the sun is melting ice on mars no suv there!

dont fall for man made globle warming its all about a carbon tax! the sun is melting ice on mars no suv there!

Yeah.....I'm sure every non-corporate climatologist in the world is in on a conspiracy to impose a cabon tax on mankind. 

20. ROFLMEO
http://www.eatapyzch.blogspot.com/

Phil, that was laughter re your comment, link is for other reasons ;-)

If I see a glacier headed my way I'm going to put away my snow moving equipment and move south.

Maybe you should be more concerned that the Sonoran Desert is headed your way.

mainefem (cont. from last thread): Stephen & Tabitha King are "good Dems," BTW.

Maybe one day the master of horror will write a novel based on 8 years of the Smirking Chimp.

"The retard in black fled across the desert. And the prosecutor followed."

Jessica's Mom, a.k.a. Dogma, is having surgery today.

♥ You are invited to light a candle for her here:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=DOGMA 

The United Nations is studying proposals for global taxes as a means to generate sources of financing for development in poor countries. The proposals being considered include a carbon tax on fuel use, a tax on currency transactions (the Tobin tax), an arms sales tax, a global lottery, and a tax on international airline travel.  from the mad man!

♥ You may also light a candle for Nordy's brother George, and all the family, here:

 http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=georg

DANIEL ROONEY #9: is that supposed to be a drawing of Ron Paul? The nose is way too small. And is he about to pee on the West Lawn?
  hey bob thats the capital and yes he shold piss on them, i think bush piss on the west lawn!

LBJ took the IRT down to 4th St. USA
When he got there, what did he see?
The youth of America on LSD 

LBJ...IRT...USA...LSD
FBI.CIA.LSD.LBJ

 ~ From the Broadway musical HAIR

UN considering global carbon tax

That has nothing to do with climatology.

But a carbon tax is one that eventually no one would pay since it would help to eliminate the emission of CO2. 

Climatologists Reject Media Claims of Global Warming Consensus

Leading climatologists spent the month of June fighting false proclamations from non-scientists claiming scientists have reached agreement that catastrophic global warming is occurring.

Alarmists Claim Debate Over

On June 1, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) claimed "the debate is over" and global warming alarmists' predictions had carried the day.

The Natural Resources Defense Council on June 9 declared, "The world's leading scientists now agree that global warming is real and is happening right now. According to their forecasts, extreme changes in climate could produce a future in which erratic and chaotic weather, melting ice caps and rising sea levels usher in an era of drought, crop failure, famine, flood and mass extinctions."

On June 13, USA Today declared, "The debate's over: Globe is Warming." In support of its claim, the newspaper cited the positions of some left-leaning religious groups, some corporations who will reap a financial windfall from a switch to alternative fuel sources, and some politicians.

Scientists Disagree

While each of the above claims from non-scientists received significant media coverage, leading climatologists spent the month of June rebutting such proclamations.

Atmospheric physicist S. Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia and former director of the U.S. Weather Satellite Service, sent a letter to the editor of USA Today directly refuting its claim. "Your editorial ... claim[s] the global warming debate is over. Not so," wrote Singer.

Singer wrote, "Sea level will continue to rise by only seven inches per century as it has for thousands of years no matter what we do or what the EPA [U.S. Environmental Protection Agency] says. And temperatures in the next 100 years will likely rise by less than one degree F--not exactly a catastrophe."

Added Singer in a subsequent letter to the Canadian media, "Thousands of scientists from many countries now fully understand that Kyoto and other efforts to control human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) are ineffective and entirely unfounded scientifically.

"Even if you ignore the enormous cost of Kyoto (estimated recently by Prof. George Taylor of Oregon State University--see http://www.sitewave.net/news/s49p628.htm--at one trillion U.S. dollars a year for full implementation in OECD countries), climate science research is rapidly moving AWAY from the hypothesis that the human release of greenhouse gases, specifically CO2, is in any way significantly contributing to global climate change."

Sun Called Primary Cause

"If we just look at the historical data, there is a scientific consensus that the global mean temperature has risen modestly during the twentieth century," said Myron Ebell, director of global warming and environmental policy at the Competitive Enterprise Institute. "The impacts have been small and probably beneficial in aggregate. This historical data puts the onus of demonstration on those who think this gradual warming trend will accelerate and lead to dire consequences."

The controlling driver of global temperature fluctuations, according to Dr. Benny Peiser of England's John Moore's University, is solar ray activity. "Six eminent researchers from the Russian Academy of Science and the Israel Space Agency have just published a startling paper in one of the world's leading space science journals. The team of solar physicists claims to have come up with compelling evidence that changes in cosmic ray intensity and variations in solar activity have been driving much of the Earth's climate," Peiser was quoted as saying in the May 17 National Post.

Moreover, reports Peiser, Jan Veizer, one of Canada's top earth scientists, published a comprehensive review of recent findings and concluded, "empirical observations on all time scales point to celestial phenomena as the principal driver of climate, with greenhouse gases acting only as potential amplifiers."

Added Peiser, "In fact, the explicit and implicit rejection of the 'consensus' is not restricted to individual scientists. It also includes distinguished scientific organizations such as the Russian Academy of Science and the U.S. Association of State Climatologists, both of which are highly skeptical of the whole idea."

False Consensus Was Predicted

Indeed, back in November 2004, German climatologist Hans von Storch, director of the GKSS Institute for Coastal Research (IfK) in Geesthacht, Germany, foresaw that claims of alarmist consensus would be made by non-scientists and even some scientists.

Von Storch, who has yet to side with either alarmists or skeptics, warned, "We need to respond openly to the agenda-driven advocates, not only skeptics but also alarmists, who misuse their standing as scientists to pursue their private value-driven agendas."

Media Echo Scariest Claims

Noting the propensity of large media organizations to echo the alarmists' claims, von Storch wrote, "Judgments of solid scientific findings are often not made with respect to their immanent quality but on the basis of their alleged or real potential as a weapon by 'skeptics' in a struggle for dominance in public and policy discourse."

Ebell agrees: "If the debate is over, why do they exaggerate so much? It seems that once some scientist makes any sort of speculation about the extent or impact of future warming that sounds even slightly scary, then we never hear the end of it, no matter how many times subsequent research refutes it.

"After reading hundreds of scientific articles and consulting widely on what they mean and how they fit together, I am convinced that if there is a consensus, it is not alarmist," said Ebell.

 thats my point its about  the money

UN considering global carbon tax

That has nothing to do with climatology.

 thats my point its about  the money

I got your point. you didn't seem to get mine that it's absurd to think that every non corporate climatogist is in on a worldwide conspiracy to impose a cabon tax -- which is a good and necessary idea anyway. 

7 October 2002
Greenhouse Gases Good For Agriculture
by Kate Melville

A new study suggests that rising levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere could be a boon for agricultural crops, as this greenhouse gas helps crop plants grow and reproduce more.dont get a choice, co2 is good for plants helps all things grow better,

 thats my point its about  the money

I got your point. you didn't seem to get mine that it's absurd to think that every non corporate climatogist is in on a worldwide conspiracy to impose a cabon tax -- which is a good and  did you not read the post its not all climatology.  read some more looks at both side

Climatologists Reject Media Claims of Global Warming

35. LOL, it's nice to see all points of view represented here, even old articles from a libertarian think tank.

27. 31. ♥ thanks for posting these, listener

2:02 am est

CALIFORNIA IS VOTING!!!  this is how crazy it's getting. 

rep sanchez and rep sanchez, both congressional democrats and sisters, are supporting two different candidates--clinton and obama. 

the closed repub primary has ticked off some independent voters who consider themselves to be repub-leaning.  but the party is being defensive against bay area counties [san francisco], some of which have more registered independents ['decline to state' voters] than repubs!  and these independents are to the left of the dems!  rofl

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must read.........'the abortion doctor' at salon.com.  here's a mind-blowing statistic--40% of women have had an abortion during their reproductive years.

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tonight's cnn debate reinforced my thought that hillary is the best republican running.  she stripped 'facts' of context, then spun them.  barack came back with context that revealed her cunning.

happy monicagate, hill and bill!

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i've heard that ted kennedy is leaning toward endorsing obama.  the clintons are quaking.

Climatologists Reject Media Claims of Global Warming

In the first place, the "climatologists" you're referring to work for oil companies and are paid to keep fools in doubt.

In the second place, it's real climatologists, not the media, who have observed global warming occuring for decades. Their only mistake seems to have been underpredicting the rate of increase in temperatures. The media just reports their findings.

35. LOL, it's nice to see all points of view represented here, even old articles from a libertarian think tank its not all libertarian who think this way its only one point of view there many more and there not libertarian. so your shot across my bow is noted nice try.

Greenhouse Gases Good For Agriculture

What a fool. The oil companies keep your mind in their vault. 

i've heard that ted kennedy is leaning toward endorsing obama.

Contrary to intutition, many DCDems seem eager to free themselves of the Clinton's, if not also the DLC's, hegemony.

Climatologists Reject Media Claims of Global Warming

In the first place, the "climatologists" you're referring to work for oil companies and are paid to keep fools in doubt.  its the oil company that will profit  from  globle warming, there is globle warming but not man made.

Good morning, BFA!

Belated Happy BD from here to linda b's husband. We hope that it was a good one.

LOL, T2T4, I for one knew that the *Judy* in question was not I. I try not to advertise my day because all it does any more is make me realize how long that I've been around. Sigh. I will go so far as to say that I am a Sagittarian. It is interesting, because so many whom I have met from many different cultures who participate in international humanitarian efforts also are. There may be something to those astrological characteristics after all.

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Phil, sorry to hear that it is so cold chez vous. It has been a remarkably mild winter here so far. But I remember saying the same thing around this time of year in 2005, when we were suddenly overwhelmed with a huge snowstorm that developed into a six-week deep freeze. One day, I had geraniums still blooming riotously. The next day all was covered in snow and a week later, pictures of the lakeside quai of the small city that I lived in then were showing up all over the world because the wind-carved ice sculptures were quite spectacular. A sister who lives in Billings, MT sent me one that was featured in the Billings Gazette.

43. Hi Daniel. Trust me, there was nothing personal and no shot across the bow. I was just expressing my amusement at this particular point of view. That's very different than dissing the view or those who hold it. Each to their own.

I will be surprised if an old hand like Ted jumps in at this point with an endorsement for anyone.

But then, I've been surprised before. :)

*****
Was too busy to post DU's wonderful Top Ten Eedjits yesterday and didn't notice that anyone else did.

Really guys 'n gals, THESE are the ones we should be bashing the most.

==================
The Top 10 Conservative Idiots, No. 321
January 21, 2007
Fool Economy Edition

George W. Bush (1,10) - remember him? - swings back into action by pumping up the economy and solving the energy crisis in one fell swoop. Meanwhile Mike Huckabee (2,3) goes medieval, Douglas Bruce (4) has a great first day in office, and Dean Hrbacek (6) slims down. Elsewhere, Rudy Giuliani (7) does not waver, and Mitt Romney (9) drops a pantload. Enjoy, and don't forget the key!

[...]
http://www.democraticunderground.com/dis...

Mike Malloy is a JE supporter.  He had some interesting things to say about BO and his invoking of RR.

Those of you who support BO and like Malloy better drop one of them!  LOL

n the first place, the "climatologists" you're referring to work for oil companies and are paid to keep fools in doubt.  you have it backward  there pushing it on us for money, wait it will come and not one trillion dollar will make no differance llke the war on drugs war on terror, its all lies, good  nite moma  told me if you tell a lie long enough  people will beleive it.

Thanks for posting that letter, Linda.  Yeah, we know who MLK would support, don't we?  It's really a no-brainer.