Howard and the "Democratic Wing" are first!

Well, you know, Dean is first.

Tell the gospel, John.

The Democrats are in full self-destructive mode. Rove and McCain have to be laughing big time

Hillary Clinton: Fratricidal Maniac.

A must read.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?i...

And a good morning to all!

repeat after me

Obama won Texas

however winning Texas is old news for all but the freaking lazy media who refuse to recognize this as a contest for delegates to the nominating convention

what matters now is Wyoming and all three Clintons are there in full campaign mode and they had a good month fund raising too

Obama better win Mississippi too

don't let her get a "winning streak" going there are a lot of delegates still up for grabs 

I wish writers would not tag Hillary with terms like "maniac" and "nuts".

This is the way men have historically put women down. Using these kinds of perjoratives will enhance her chances for sympathy votes from women who might otherwise be indifferent to her.

She is in no way crazy. Willful yes. Power-lusting yes. Crazy no.

-- volney

volney - I also was upset about Samantha Powers comment that Hillary is a monster. She may well be a monster, but that isn't for a campaign advisor to say even *off the record* which as it turns out wasn't.

yes hillary has the sympathy votes for sure.

but not from me.

she acts like she is running for prom queen.

here we have ol hillary wanting to be taken seriously and acting like a girl!!

crying, whoa is me, yada, yada, yada.

grow up already.

OBAMA WON TEXAS.

 super delegate critters are likely to follow the voters in their District so win them already

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http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/usa/2008/03/why_clinton_needs_fl_and_mi.html

As the Democratic race shows every sign of continuing on until spring, or perhaps even the summer convention, it's worth asking the question: What if the party chucked those crazy super-delegate rules and picked the winner of the popular vote?

(...)

But when you add Florida, one of the two states with primaries that were declared invalid by the national Democratic party, Obama's lead narrows by more than half. And when you add in Michigan, a sanctioned state where Clinton ended up being the only Democrat on the ballot, she finally pulls ahead by about 40,000 votes.

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can you see now why I was sceptical of the rush to condemn the notion of independent super delegates?

It is a trick question. She competed in big states with primaries for a reason. and the blogosphere fell for it

6.

linda b
Fri, 03/07/08

she acts like she is running for prom queen.
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You got that right, linda b.
She is showing herself to be one of the mean girls. I don't want that in my next POTUS.

volney wrote "I wish writers would not tag Hillary with terms like 'maniac' and 'nuts'."

I respect and admire Samantha Powers, but Clinton is not a monster.  Should she become the Democratic nominee, I will be running to the polls in November to help her become the next president.  I find the dynasty argument compelling, but a McCain presidency would hardly snap the string, inasmuch as the policy platform he has adopted represents, for all practical purposes, Bush 2.0.

The most important benefit of a Clinton presidency would be in the selection of replacement Supreme Court Justices for retiring members, and an executive who would not be vetoing the most progressive of the legislation passed by a Congress that has Democratic majorities in both houses.  The majorities are important just to break the legislative logjam we've been victimized by the past dozen years. 

In and of themselves, I agree that Clinton as president and many individual Democratic legislators are nothing to get excited about.  The objective should be to maintain efforts to nominate and elect liberal Democrats as replacements for the moderate Democrats who have been elected to unseat Republicans by any means necessary.  Baby steps.

David Sirota: Hope in the time of NAFTA.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3...

Toby Keith: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9Vvi8WnM...

"There no honor among Thieves."-- Cicero in De Officiis(c.45 BC)

"A plague upon it when thieves cannot be true one to another" ---- William Shakespeare, Henry IV, 2, 2 (1597)

"The old proverb still holds good, thieves are never rogues amongst themselves"---Don Quixote(1712)

"There is said to be honor among thieves, but very little honesty towards others"---William Hazlitt, Table Talk: On Corporate Bodies (1821)

Clintons to face fraud trial

Here's the video!

Good Morning Everyone!

 I agree with Volney that Hillary shouldn't be called "maniac" and "nuts." Terms like these are really negative and cast a light on the name callers as well as both the primary and general elections. I think that we should all take a cue from Obama and try to keep this as positive as we can, here and elsewhere.

Speaking of positive actions, Obama is looking for help making phone calls tonight. If anyone is interested you can sign up through his website.

Peace. "Dogma"

I'm with Donna.

Hillary's favorable comments about McCain would get her thrown off of a Central Committee, because rules prohibit endorsing a Republican candidate

Obama has two events in WY today.  I'll be very surprised if Clinton wins WY, she is not liked there at all.

Obama will be in Mississippi Mon.

I had planned to go to WY, but caught the flu.

Phil, I thought about Howard on the cover of Rolling Stone too.  I still have the copy.

Monica.  Lol about the confetti being a send off for Clinton.

For Phil - If super delegates vote their states -- Obama still wins.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/7/0...

Phil wrote "super delegate critters are likely to follow the voters in their District so win them already"

For the most part, I don't agree and don't think this should be the case.  The superdelegates are nothing but a check on the possibility of majority faction among primary voters and caucus goers, designed against the possibility that ordinary citizens might select an inferior candidate.  Depite the fallacious premise that superdelegates know better than voters, it is certainly true that in 2004, for example, Democratic voters came up with a poor choice for a nominee.  Of course, the superdelegates didn't and couldn't rectify the situation, so their function was rendered moot.  It's not a very effective system.

I think superdelegates should do nothing but ratify the popular vote.  With trends continuing in the present instance, Obama has, and should have, more delegates and more votes, making him the appropriate candidate.  The one possible spanner in the works this year is that it may be Clinton will receive the majority of votes cast by party supporters, as opposed to Independents and Republicans who have switched their party affiliation to participate in the selection process.  I regard this as a significant factor that would require the serious attention of the superdelegates to resolve, as unlikely as that may be to expect.

I also know Obama has had offices in WY for awhile. 

Not sure about Clinton.

Bill Clinton had some long lines to see him in WY yesterday. Let's see how Obama does there. It's a similar demographic to Idaho, Colorado and Utah.

Phil wrote "Hillary's favorable comments about McCain would get her thrown off of a Central Committee, . . ."

Yes, but it's a campaign ploy.  Outside of the context of the primary contests, it's certain Clinton doesn't and wouldn't favor McCain over Obama in any way.  Having said that, it's a detestable tactic on her part.

I want to re-iterate that Clinton's comments about Senator Obama are really offensive to the American people because they are deceptive.  There's a reason for the formula, "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth."  Being a lawyer, Hillary Clinton should know that.  It's why her spouse was charge with perjury and found liable, although not guilty of a criminal act.  That was because it couldn't be proven that he "intended" to perjure himself.  The difficulty of proving intent is what gets many a criminal off.  That's why the  civil law throws lawbreakers into a tizzy and why the Bushes keep whining about "tort reform."  The law of torts enables ordinary people to hold others accountable for abusive behavior.

can you see now why I was sceptical of the rush to condemn the notion of independent super delegates?

Your opinions of right and wrong are quite often dependent upon what serves your current interests. 

I'm against superdelegates because it's anathema to democracy -- as is the entire staggered primary/caucus/delegate system.

A national primary with with IRV and a popular vote winner is the way to go -- and claiming that Hillary would have won such a contest makes no difference to its rightness. 

repeat after me

Obama won Texas

You're doing such a good job of repeating it that no one else needs to. 

30. Monica

Another reason for "tort reform" is when a company is really bad the awards to the victims can be really high. When there are many victims it has the power to bankrupt big, carless businesses that hurt a lot of people. The R's are often for the big businesses and against the people in these cases so they want the awards limited and the entire system reformed so businesses that hurt people with really bad medicine or big polluters wouldn't suffer for their deeds. (Unfortunately in tort cases, the only ones that "win" a lot of money are the lawyers, which is often the case in court cases anyway. 1/3 of each person's award really adds up!) Peace. "Dogma"

Dogma wrote "(Unfortunately in tort cases, the only ones that "win" a lot of money are the lawyers, which is often the case in court cases anyway. 1/3 of each person's award really adds up!)"

Just so you're aware, that's the reason these cases get prosecuted in the first place.  Without contingent fee cases, plaintiffs would have to simply ante up the costs of litigation on the hope that they'll prevail in the end.  If they lost, there'd be no recovery, their attorneys would take their fee, and they'd be out the money.  As with many other things in U.S. society, the upshot would be that only wealthy people would be in a position to obtain justice and enforce their legal rights against well-represented companies and corporations.

Morning Folks,

#12, Susan Rowe, thank you for the quotes.  I have been looking for the quote of no honor among thieves for about 20 years, off and on of course.  I am delighted.  

Also thank you  blogger, will check the back thread to give credit, for the Keith Olberman Youtube videos.  We went to a poetry reading last night, and I really wanted to see if Keith had addressed the NAFTA/Canadian connection.  I'm really appreciative of the the postings.

On Saturday, we have the county assembly and convention in Colorado.  We'll be going as Obama delegates, maybe we'll seek to become state delegates as well.  We are committed to seeing that Obama retains his delegate lead.

I'll give a report on the assembly and convention on Sunday. 

Link posted on HEP:

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/03/03...

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34.  Which is why the notion of simply dissolving corporations that don't comply with their social responsibilities seems attractive.

Donna in Evanston,

Thank you for posting the Keith Olbermann videos.  How did you know that we really had wanted to see Keith?  I do think there is a kind of extra sensory perception that comes with all this computer/cyber connection.   

I sure hope that Obama is an honest man.

It looks like the Clintons have traded continued "protection" from the full impact of the law for a second place on the Republican ticket.  So Hillary can pull a Cheney and the string-pullers can continue in power.

I was surprised to see so many clips from FOX in that video about Paul.

The fundraising in 1996 was a much bigger matter which got sidetracked by the blue dress.  You know, like throwing a piece of steak to the junk yard dogs. 

Statements from the Obama campaign at On Politics in today's USA Today, with a side note at the end: 

"Power says that ';these comments do not reflect my feelings about Sen. Clinton, whose leadership and public service I have long admired. I should not have made these comments and I deeply regret them. It is wrong for anyone to pursue this campaign in such negative and personal terms. I apologize to Senator Clinton and to Senator Obama, who has made very clear that these kinds of expressions should have no place in American politics.'

"Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton says 'Sen. Obama decries such characterizations, which have no place in this campaign.'

"Reminder: Yesterday, Clinton campaign communications chief Howard Wolfson accused the Obama team of imitating Ken Starr.'"

It looks like NAFTA Gate is starting to hit the news.  I surely hope so as it really hurt Obama in OH.

Report questions Clinton NAFTA position

http://www.adn.com/24hour/topstories/story/337105.html

37. Jessica

 I know I feel healthier after blogging! LOL

Peace. "Dogma"

as far as I can tell, this isn't about Obama vs Clinton so much anymore - it's morphed into dems representing their corporate interests vs dems representing the American public.  I don't think much of America is aware of this yet, but if that fraud trial is scrutinized the way it should be, the mining deals, the tax papers, the Rove-like dirty tricks and on and on and on - they should be.

with the changes in the way we wage campaigns now - internet fundraising, instant news, increasing civic involvement - this fight had to happen eventually - I'm just surprised it's come to a head so soon.  I hate this negativity but the truth is we either fight this fight now or we get 4 - 8 years of Clinton's/McCain's nastiness and corporate-sponsored greed or we drop the gloves and fight this fight now.  it's time for the grassroots to become more engaged than just working the campaign and attending rallys - their rapid response team may need a bit of tweaking, a bit of help.

Obama has been pretty quiet since TX so I do believe there may be a number of new shoes to drop over the next couple of weeks.  if it comes from surrogates rather than the campaign, good enough.  if the campaign decides to take her head on, so be it.

I hope the grassroots are ready for and have the stomach for this fight, because the outcome will decide what America is, what she stands for, for a long, long time to come.

the whole world is watching.  and we ARE the ones we've been waiting for.

Powers just resigned.

Good morning!

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