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Written by: DFA Staff on Jul 8, 2008 4:46 PM EDT

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Longtime Blog for America member and delegate to the Democratic National Convention linda b writes about a recent and frank exchange with a member of the military:

- Heartbreaking.......... By linda b on Jul 8, 2008 3:48 PM

This a.m. I went to Chick Fil A to get a sandwich. I decided to go inside and have a quiet lunch.

I was sitting there and just thinking much about nothing.

I looked up and at the next table across from me was a soldier in fatigues just looking kind of forlorn. I wanted to say something but didn't want to interupt his thoughts.

I said to him, "so how are you doing today??" He said " I am at a bad place". I asked "why?"

He said he is supposed to retire in October with 20 years and now the army has said he has to stay in and go back to Iraq. If he doesn't he can be jailed. He looked so  forlorn.

I just listened and did not make any statements

This is what he told me:

- the military is just about numbers, and "bodies"

-that he was supposed to get married but doesn't want a relationship where he may not come back alive

-he said if he had been offered a promotion or more money, it would have made some difference but the military says, you stay and tough luck

- most of his unit wants a big change in this country and bush is mostly diliked by all his men.

- they have no idea why they are in Iraq and just want out.

- most of the new recruits have no education just want to go over and kill people.

- I tried to keep my cool and just listen. he said thanks for caring.

- I went to my car and cried.

sorry to insert this in the thread but it was too much for me not to tell you all

Thank you, linda b.

Danny
Communications Director

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- Danny, It was most inappropriate of you to dump our conversation on this topic in the trash and then retrieve a part if it for your post on the main thread. That was an act of nothing more but pure censorship.

By Susan Rowe on Jul 8, 2008 5:59 PM EDT

Please don't do it again.

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- Full disclosure

By Susan Rowe on Jul 8, 2008 9:15 PM EDT

For consistency and the continuation of this great American conversation please go here: http://democracyforamerica.com/watercooler/1215543600

 

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- Shoddy, is what I'd call it.

By Monica Smith on Jul 9, 2008 4:23 AM EDT
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By Annilow on Jul 8, 2008 9:38 PM EDT

Danny we read all the threads. We read the water cooler. It's not necessary for you to decide what is important and what is not to put in its own frame. It's pretty tacky to take linda's post and dump it in the WC, only to resurrect it in your own self authored thread.

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By seashell on Jul 8, 2008 10:31 PM EDT

Give it up, Danny.  How old are you anyway?  Are you on some kinda power trip?

Wait till Howard hears about your messing up our blog.  Don't you have something better to do?

 

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- Kudos to linda b

By mary vb on Jul 8, 2008 11:00 PM EDT

and I must say the water cooler is nonsense. I've limited my time here lately -- it doesn't flow as it once did now that every post that is deemed *irrelevant* is sent to the WC. Sadly, I think the blog is going to end if it isn't returned to its former eclectic self. I've been here for five years now (yikes!) and we've rarely been *on topic*. ;-(

Nite folks.

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- *pull the rug out

By Karen on Jul 8, 2008 11:03 PM EDT

Danny and BFA staff...

Regarding the comments above, don't know where to begin. When things have been done a certain way from the beginning, for someone to come in and all of a sudden *pull the rug out* and say, "no, we don't like your way, we're changing it", well, it's confusing and disheartening putting it mildly. And it leads to what happened to linda b's heartbreaking comment. There is such a thing as the emotion of the moment that can't be recaptured at a later date.

I understand what you're trying to do, but there has to be a better way. Dumping people in the watercooler is demeaning. We used to have "Open Threads". It seems a workable solution would perhaps be a choice of an "Open Thread" and the current topic posted at the same time.

Question: Where are all these people who opined? Most of them just write up an article and don't even bother to be here for the discussion. 

*sigh*

 

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By seashell on Jul 8, 2008 11:13 PM EDT

I apologize, Danny, for being abrupt. I'm really pissed, that's all. :)

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- seashell, Your frustrations are very understandable.

By Susan Rowe on Jul 8, 2008 11:17 PM EDT
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By mprov on Jul 8, 2008 11:24 PM EDT

except for the old timers, none of the thread posters stick around for discussion. its like throwing words against the wall...

when i find interesting news articles on-line, and there's a reply thread, i usually read some or most of it. gives good perspective. on some small amount of these threads the author makes replies to posts. they're usually better reading and more informative that way.

as to linda's soldier: i've known quite a few guys who landed in similar boats. your fella has the added hell that we're talking about iraq to boot. stop loss is complete crap. new rule #1: if you can't recruit or draft enough manpower for a war you can't have a war. this all volunteer force is starting to look more and more like the viet nam draft era force: more without high school diplomas, more with "moral" waivers (drug use, ,minor crimes, etc.), more old guys over 45. used to be that if they wanted an enlisted guy to stay on, they'd offer him a promotion at about year 19. usually to e-8. sounds like this guy's trapped in a bean counter's trap.

i was going to a school at millington, tn with the navy in 1986. the walker spy thingy had broke not too long before that. some bean counter in DC decided that the navy needed less security clearances and just started hacking away without any regard to "need to know." they cut about 20% of the students and faculty at this classified school. "those who got brains...step to the front of the line..."

things are always going to be like this for institutions like the military. my solution to offer is to be friendly with service members. talk to them like humans. don't treat them special, but let them know you think of them that way. and, give them a job, a good job, if you can.

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- My jaw dropped when I saw this main post

By on Jul 8, 2008 11:28 PM EDT

If you really wanna play nice and be fair, Danny, give your idear another week.  Let's see if anyone who voiced their frustrations to you about how the blog was really does appear.

You listened to a few - but what about us, the majority?  How democratic is that?

I call for a deadline.  Please set one.

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- Make that really do appear - as in start posting

By on Jul 9, 2008 12:32 AM EDT
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By mprov on Jul 8, 2008 11:29 PM EDT

well, edwin's not an old timer, but he seems to have found his place in here effectively. an acception to my rule above...

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By mprov on Jul 8, 2008 11:36 PM EDT

one of the rules we have in making improv music (yes, there are too rules!!!) is that if you come out front and take control of a piece you have to own it. you have to believe it, you have to convince the others that you believe it, and you have to carry it all the way to at least handing it off to the next guy out front. anything less is not only failure, but you look real bad to boot. perhaps if the HQ mindset is as advertised, they should impose a similar rule. you can't just post a thread and then take off. you have to own it!!! after all, aren't we in an "ownership society???"

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By mprov on Jul 8, 2008 11:38 PM EDT

another good rule, borrowing from my military experience, is policing your area.  you never, and i mean never, leave your mess for someone else to deal with.  simple.  straightfoward.  leaving a thread unattended is akin to making trash or graffiti.  "ding, ding, ding...attention all hands, man your brooms, make a good sweepdown of all decks fore and aft..."

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By mprov on Jul 8, 2008 11:41 PM EDT

its been a long time since i've thought about these things.  should've been:  "ding, ding, ding...sweepers, sweepers, man your brooms, make a good sweepdown of all decks fore and aft..."

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By mprov on Jul 8, 2008 11:46 PM EDT

one joke used to go: "ding, ding, ding, attention all hands...this is not a drill...man your general joke stations, set condition joke and make sure someone's actually laughing..." the loud speaker on board (1MC) could be really funny at times. well, i guess you had to have been there...

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By dan r on Jul 8, 2008 11:58 PM EDT

HR HR 362, sponsored by Rep. Gary Ackerman, a New York Democrat, calls for the president to enact more draconian economic sanctions against Iran. These include an embargo against any imports of refined petroleum. (While Iran is of course a major exporter of oil, it imports at least 40% of its refined petroleum.) The wording of the Resolution is chilling in the extreme: “Congress… demands that the President initiate an international effort to immediately and dramatically increase the economic, political and diplomatic pressure on Iran to verifiably suspend its nuclear enrichment activities by… prohibiting the export to Iran of all refined petroleum products; imposing stringent inspection requirements on all persons, vehicles, ships, planes, trains, and cargo entering or departing Iran; and prohibiting the international movement of all Iranian officials not involved in negotiating the suspension of Iran’s nuclear program.” The resolution is moving quickly through the House and could pass as early as this wCongressional Democrats, the IAEA and Factual Falsehoods in HR 362

There is more support now than there was a year ago in Congress, especially among the Democrats, for military action against Iran. Thus HR 362’s co-sponsors include 96 House Democrats and 111 House Republicans. These are the same Democrats whom Americans voted into Congress, in November 2006, as majorities in both houses, based on what voters believed to be the Democrats’ opposition to war in the Middle East.
eek362 and the Alarming Escalation of Hostility Towards Iran

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By dan r on Jul 9, 2008 12:14 AM EDT

DHS Wants Airline “Shock Bracelet”

Jeffrey Denning
The Washington Times
July 8, 2008

A senior government official with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has expressed great interest in a so-called safety bracelet that would serve as a stun device, similar to that of a police Taser®. According to this promotional video found at the Lamperd Less Lethal website, the bracelet would be worn by all airline passengers.

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By mprov on Jul 9, 2008 12:16 AM EDT

dan r's comments are OFF TOPIC!!!

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- Oh, who the fuck cares?

By Monica Smith on Jul 9, 2008 4:22 AM EDT

It strikes me that most of this electronic surveillance and monitoring gig is designed to promote segments of the electronics industry that don't have a whole lot of staying power.  Whenever the market doesn't maintain enthusiasm for new products, the immediate solution is to persuade the government to get hooked and provide a constant substitute.  It's a subsidy for non-competitive products.

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By Phil Specht on Jul 9, 2008 5:56 AM EDT

Has the ethnic cleansing of the blog proceeded to a point of no return?

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- confused here

By linda b on Jul 9, 2008 8:10 AM EDT

woke up this a.m. with an email from danny about my thread. what's up?? I may have wanted to write one more detailed. Danny, this isn't working. who are most of these people posting??? They are here and then gone. Please fix the blog.

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