and I'm contemplating how very first that Governor Chairman Howard Dean MD is!

while Bill Clinton goes on his stump and makes statements that imply his wife's competitor doesn't love his country, isn't a true patriot like Hillary and John, I have to stop and thank him for that.

thank you, Bill, for showing your true colors before this country makes the mistake of letting you two back in the White House again. thank you for proving to us that you will do anything to win and that you don't care what it does to the democratic party in the process. for the many folks who look back on the Clinton years with fondness, we now get to review those years, as a whole and without the rose colored glasses and thank you Hillary, for making lame excuses for your many attack dogs. thus we know that you condone it, rather than just being out of control of it. Democrats everywhere deserve much better than you two.

oh well - I was just trying to get that hate & fear screed off the front page...

oh well - I was just trying to get that hate & fear screed off the front page...

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a HOWARDLY to you Jo

You might be able to also see it online.

TONIGHT, Sunday, August 23 at 6:30p PT

C-Span: Road to the White House

Rebroadcast of the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee meeting of August 25, 2007, where the question of the Florida Delegation to the 2008 Democratic National Convention was addressed.

hatred of Isreal

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Fox the hatred is in your mind, move along

Come on Phil, have you read his weekly rants??? 

I'm contemplating the frequency of change that is the gift of spring. Spring came early this year.

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volney simmons
Sun, 03/23/08

As for the statement that HIV is a difficult infection to get orally, this is true. HIV has to make a direct entrance into the bloodstream to infect. A person with a mouth, esophageal, or (long shot) stomach lesion could get it orally, but that would be about the only way...

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I heard once that prostitutes (I forgot where, maybe Africa) were only giving oral sex because they thought it would keep them from getting AIDS, but some got it anyway.

From the link you provided

Can HIV be transmitted during oral sex?

HIV can pose a small risk for both the active (person giving the oral stimulation) and receptive (person receiving oral stimulation) partner.

http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/24413#comment-1182271

back up

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Fox Mulder
Sun, 03/23/08
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volney simmons
Sun, 03/23/08

For the record, Fred, I didn't use the word "anti-vaccine" in regard to you
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I will, that and his hatred of Isreal are the few consistency in that conspiratorial mind.

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Thanks, volney.

Also to you and Fox,  

 I'm waiting for diptheria and tetanus to be available in a single shot, like I believe is available in Europe, where vaccines are completely voluntary.

I would give my daughter most of the others too if they got rid of the ethylene glycol, aluminum etc. (and mercury of course, if any left) and gave them in single shot.

If not, I'll wait until she gets a little older, and think about it.

Fox 

I don't hate Israel or Jews. I don't hate Palestinians either. You don't have to hate one to love the other. Ten times more Palestinians are dying than Israelis.

I truly believe Israel can be a true democracy and share the land and government with the indigenous Palestinians, who should have the same right-of-return to their homeland last century, as the Israelis claim from over 20 centuries ago.

God gave them that land, for Jews only?

I think that's a lot of sacrimonious bullshit. That doesn't mean I hate God, and doesn't mean I hate Jews. It just means I don't believe it,

any more than I believe God only loves Christians, which is also bullshit - you may or may not agree - I know most Jews would agree.

Favorite cant phrase for Clinton booster hate diaries these days:  "Obama threw his grandmother under the bus."

Anyone recall the liberal stalwarts who promote Clinton's candidacy for its progressive values formerly extolling the virtues of Kos?  Keith Olbermann? Ted Kennedy? Chris Dodd?  Strangely, in the hazy fog of memory, it doesn't seem so long ago.

An "anti-abortion protester" at the standing room reserved space for the Obama rally pushed an Obama supporter ten feet off  the bleachers and is being charged with assault.  The woman and severely bruised and in great pain and was told at the hospital she was lucky not to have broken bones.

By the same token, does anyone vaguely recall when James Carville was regarded as a creepy weasel trying to cut Gov. Dean off at the knees?

That was on the evening news not far from here in Medford where the rally was yesterday.

James Carville was regarded as a creepy weasel

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was?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7310418.stm

Phil wrote "was?"

Well he can't very well be one now if he's advancing the cause of Sen. Clinton's campaign and the pillars of progressivism that underpin it.  Don't you read Larry Johnson's work?

 Don't you read Larry Johnson's work?

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no

6. Fox Mulder
Sun, 03/23/08
 
Come on Phil, have you read his weekly rants???

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Be specific, Fox, if you want to discuss facts.  That's what I do, not demogogic ranting, that's your department.

Olmert and Bush are on the same page.  And I hear Olmerts wife and kids don't like his policy either.  Maybe they are anti-Israel.

They should be ashamed of our hypocrisy - we profess democratic elections in Gaza, then when they don't elect our favorite we turn the country into a virtual prison with embargos, shutting down utilities and preventing free exit and entry to and from the Gaza.

Well get on it.  Linda kindly left a link for us on the last thread, including the comments she appended to his diary.

Tom

pro Hillary blather is the equivalence of those who deny global warming;  makes Linda a bit conflicted I'm sure

We just watched Q & A on C-Span tonight with Phil Donohue as the guest. Phil has just co-produced a movie using his own mulla -- a film called Body of War.

The interview is fantastic and enlightening, talking about this upcoming of the movie, showing some outstanding clips that depict the nature of the film. All profits will be contributed to various anti-war groups or other charities.

If you get a chance, Q & A will repeat later at 11:00 pm. ET, tonight only. If you can't watch it, you can visit the website at  http://www.bodyofwar.com/

The film opens in a few weeks in D.C., then NY, etc. at certain theaters. It need a big boost as the producers cannot afford big ads. I can't think of a better way of getting out the word about the website and film than by using the blogosphere's grapevine.

This film could have an impact on the election in Nov. against McSame.

gOOD TO SEE pHIL Donahue again. He was interviewed on C-span about the documentary he has spent the last three years making. It's an anti war story about the vets. The documentary will open in theaters in April in a number of cities. C-span will repeat at 11:00PM

Fred, you spent an entire thread last week arguing that Isreal is not a democracy.  And you wonder why I find you to have a conspiratorial mind.  They have  a Constitution. Free and fair elections. Mutliple political  parties from across the political spectrum.  They have a Parliment that is elected by the people in direct election that pass legislation,  It has an independent judiciary. It has an army control by civilian authority. Its chief executive is  a prime minister elected by parliment.  It is the only democracy is the entire area.  That is what bothers you. 

 It is the only democracy is the entire area.

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actually Palestine held elections and so did Lebanon, as did Iran just last week

it is our friends the Saudis, Jordan, and Egypt that don't hold free elections 

Mr Mangal is a Pashtun from Paktika provinceThe southern province, where thousands of British troops clash daily with Taleban insurgents, grows half the country's opium poppies, and it has had two governors in the last two years

Tonight on CNN at 10 EST and 9 Central

"BEYOND THE SOUNDBITE": Rev. Wright

wow - it's 10 pm - thanks for the heads-up Susan!  Donahue and Ellen Spirro were on with Bill Moyers this week - check pbs for reruns or a vid.   bbl

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Fox Mulder
Sun, 03/23/08

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Fred, you spent an entire thread last week arguing that Isreal is not a democracy. And you wonder why I find you to have a conspiratorial mind.
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How does a debate on an issue become a conspiratorial endeavor? If you define a democracy as simple government by election, then you can call it a democracy. We called our government a democracy while women and non-whites could not vote.

It depends on how you define democracy. By law only people of a 1/4 jewish geneology or more can become citizens, you must be a citizen to marry a Jewish citizen (new law.)

Do you call that a democracy, theocracy, or ethnocracy? I suspect if it were a muslim country with the same kind of rules, we would not call it a democracy, simply because they had elections.

Gaza had elections, and the right-wing doesn't call that a democracy.

Fox 

Israel does ha

ve an independent judiciary, but the Judges are not free to be apolitical. Justice for Israelis and Palestinian citizens is not the same but resembles the Jim Crow days of the south.

Israelis charged with killing Palestinians are often found smiling and joking in the courtroom.  They have reason to.

Palestinians charged for such crimes have much to worry about, even if they are innocent.

Read "Blood and Religion" by Jonathan Cook

Jonathan Cook (born in 1965 in Buckinghamshire, England) is a British freelance journalist based in Nazareth, Israel, who has published in The Guardian, The Observer, ZNet, Electronic Intifada, CounterPunch, Al Jazeera and Information Clearing House. He authored the book Blood and Religion: The Unmasking of the Jewish and Democratic State.

He claims that as a freelance journalist and as the "first foreign correspondent to be based in the Israeli Arab city of Nazareth, in the Galilee",[1] he has a unique perspective unavailable to Western journalists based in Jerusalem or Tel Aviv in Israel, or Ramallah in the West Bank.

Jo, thanks for the direct opposite of hate and fear. Lots to contemplate today.

Off to the gym, now. Tomorrow is one more priceless day to work toward the big November goal and the battles that will follow. Stay strong and smart.

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Bob (NJ for Democracy)
Sun, 03/23/08

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Re FRED from Ashland #19:
The reason Israel embargoed Gaza had little to do with who the Palestinians voted for. It had everything to do with the constant violence in Gaza...

#29:
It isn't true that Gentiles are excluded from attaining Israeli citizenship. Many already have....

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I think your information is false, or at least outdated. That's not what Cook says and he lives there. The belief that non-Jews can simply apply for citizenship is a myth. Just two weeks ago there was an article in the NY Times about how hard it was for Jews in America (especially non-orthodox) to prove they were Jews, when they try to immigrate.

Palestinian citizens are not allowed in police or military service. They spin this as a "benefit"

They are 1/5 of the population but have only one rep in Knesset.

Their land is always selected for confiscation "for military purposes."

The great fear is that Palestinians will "out populate" Jews.

A new law prevents Israeli citizens from bringing into Israel a Palestinian spouse. Israeli human rights groups call is rascist.

Before that law, Cook says, "naturalisation through marriage offered the one and only legal route to Jewish citizenship." He never mentions any five-year route in his book.

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Bob (NJ for Democracy)
Sun, 03/23/08

Re Fox Mulder #24:
Everything you said about Israel being a democracy is spot on
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A civilian controlled military may be de jure, but not de facto. They are indistinguishable, and almost all the leaders have been great generals, so true civilian leadership has never really been tested in Israel. There simply was never a dichotomy for it.

Phil Donahue said that we don't hear from the "no war Jews" because of the media. I figure it's like hearing nothing but Cheney's version of America. What's the point of arguing what we can't verify?

It's a waste to keep hearing over and over the same arguments, when at least half the story isn't even known to us. how is it important if Israel is a true Democracy or not. Are we one?

What is important to us is that the war is sucking the blood out of our country, and that is practically speaking what is important to us.
We can't keep doing it.

As far as I can see, the only change this war has made is now we're buying oil on it's way to $200 a barrel where we used to buy it for $60 or less, even from Sadaam if I'm not mistaken. The other change is the mountains of bodies and parts of bodies. Time for the anti war Israelis to rise up and dump their war ciminals, and we need to get to the business of dumping ours.

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audrey.nc
Mon, 03/24/08

Phil Donahue said that we don't hear from the "no war Jews" because of the media. I figure it's like hearing nothing but Cheney's version of America. What's the point of arguing what we can't verify?

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There is plenty of unbiased open coverage of Israel in Europe. It is only the American MSM with the filters.

The war right wing is killing Israel too. The only reason they still talk about a two-state solution is because behind the scenes the right talks about deporting the Palentinian citizens as a trade-off for removing the settlement from the WB. A extremely painful transition for the Arab citizens and the settlers, not to mention for Pat Robertson, John Haggee, and CUFI who all believe the WB is Samaria and Judea, as embedded in scripture.

new thread
http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/24415...

They used to say that the Vn war wouldn't end even with all the demonstrations, until it hit peoples pocketbooks, and that was so.

I hope the Dems don't hesitate to use the war as an issue because the people's focus is on the economy. We should be blaming the war primarily for the economy.

Hey, there's been another thread going for a bit... c'mon over.

12:07 am est

at the end of the day, I'm still contemplatig.

- spring!  come on, you can do it!  break that winter hold, lift that gulfstream up!

- another grandchild in May!

- deeper investigations into the WH's assault on the Constitution.

- Myer and Bolton being prosecuted for their contempt of Congress.

- a democrat from the democratic wing of the party in the WH!

- sweet dream for everyone!