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Democrats: The speech I didn't give...
...at the first Loudoun County (VA) Democratic Committee meeting after the November elections. There are some parts that are specific to Virginia, or even Loudoun County, but there are also some larger issues that effect everyone.---
Ed Murrow once told his fellow journalists "This just might do nobody any good. At the end of this discourse a few people may accuse this reporter of fouling his own comfortable nest, and your organization may be accused of having given hospitality to heretical and even dangerous thoughts." Here I go.
We meet tonight in the wake of celebrations of success. Loudoun County Democrats have helped elect a Delegate, a State Senator, a Governor. Why would I have any reason to be dissatisfied? We are winning!
But what are we winning?
Our Governor is ready to approve a change to Tom Jefferson's Constitution that would restrict the rights of the people, because he believes marriage is only between a man and a woman. We run candidates who talk of their business friendliness, but not their plans to protect the consumers, the regular taxpayers of Loudoun.
Don't get me wrong. Tim Kaine, Dave Poisson and Mark Herring are good men, much better than the Republicans they ran against, but merely being better than what the Virginia Republican Party has become is not good enough.
I was standing outside a campaign event for Mark Herring when one of the organizers said that if he had lived in Maine, he'd be a Republican. Well, I lived in Maine, and I was a Democrat then, and I was a Democrat when I lived in Tom DeLay's district in Texas. My question is, if we are going to run candidates whose positions sound more like New England Republicans then why am I a Democrat in Virginia?
I can hear the answer already...that's what we need to do to win in Virginia. If we run as DEMOCRATS, we will lose. That if we state our principles clearly and loudly, we will lose. That what we stand for as Democrats has to be hidden, or messaged or avoided, during a campaign. But don't worry, once we get Democrats in, they will govern as Democrats.
But why would that be so? If they can't get elected based on the principles and positions of the Democratic Party then why would they think they could get RE-elected on those principles.
If we win just by playing the game, then what is a Democrat except a person with a D next to their name on a ballot.
For the victory of the Democratic Party and of democratic ideas and the future of this nation we must reject the politics of depressing turnout. We must reject the politics of not standing for anything because of the risk of offense. We must reject the politics of playing the game and pandering to those who can afford to write the big checks and playing to people's fears instead of hopes. And we must not shrink from big ideas, because we are the party of big ideas.
Public Schools, Social Security, Equal Rights at the lunch counter and the hotel counter and the polling place, these were big ideas and they are part of America because Democrats lead and convinced the people they were worth having.
I joined the Loudoun County Democratic Committee because I believed in the principles and positions of the Democratic Party and I felt governing based on those principles and positions was best for Loudoun, best for Virginia, best for the United States. Today I see the party, at the national level, at the state level, and here, afraid of stating clearly and strongly the ideas that brought me to it. I don't think this is because those ideas are wrong, and I don't think it's because all Democrats have left behind the principles that built the party of Roosevelt, the party of the people.
Democrats are not the party of fancy dinners and candidacy announcements at country clubs, we are the party of pancake breakfasts and announcements in public parks. We should be the party of widening freedom, not restricting it. We should be the party working for reform and change of the political system for the benefit of the citizen voters, not learning to play the money game as well as the Republicans do. We shouldn't be hiding what we believe from the voters merely in the name of winning elections. Because if we can't win as Democrats, how can we govern as Democrats. And if we can't govern as Democrats, what have we won?
WELL DONE RICH!
I agree with you entirely. We occasionally disagree on individual issues, but we are as one on the need to run on Democratic principles and ideals (with which the vast majority of Americans are in agreement).
I agree with you entirely. We occasionally disagree on individual issues, but we are as one on the need to run on Democratic principles and ideals (with which the vast majority of Americans are in agreement).
Frank Rich
As usual, Frank is right on target:
64.226.238.78/PA/fr/fr209.shtml...
Snippits:
OLD GLORY lost today," Bill Frist declaimed last week when his second attempt to rewrite the Constitution in a single month went the way of his happy prognosis for Terri Schiavo. Of course it isn't Old Glory that lost when the flag-burning amendment flamed out. The flag always survives the politicians who wrap themselves in it. What really provoked Mr. Frist's crocodile tears was the foiling of yet another ruse to distract Americans from the wreckage in Iraq. He and his party, eager to change the subject in an election year, just can't let go of their scapegoat strategy. It's illegal Hispanic immigrants, gay couples seeking marital rights, cut-and-run Democrats and rampaging flag burners who have betrayed America's values, not those who bungled a war.
The Times's offense was to publish a front-page article about a comprehensive American effort to track terrorists with the aid of a Belgian consortium, Swift, which serves as a clearinghouse for some 7,800 financial institutions in 200 countries.
It was a solid piece of journalism. But if you want to learn the truly dirty secrets of how our government prosecutes this war, the story of how it vilified The Times is more damning than anything in the article that caused the uproar.
The assault on a free press during our own wartime should be recognized for what it is: another desperate ploy by officials trying to hide their own lethal mistakes in the shadows. It's the antithesis of everything we celebrate with the blazing lights of Independence Day.
As usual, Frank is right on target:
64.226.238.78/PA/fr/fr209.shtml...
Snippits:
OLD GLORY lost today," Bill Frist declaimed last week when his second attempt to rewrite the Constitution in a single month went the way of his happy prognosis for Terri Schiavo. Of course it isn't Old Glory that lost when the flag-burning amendment flamed out. The flag always survives the politicians who wrap themselves in it. What really provoked Mr. Frist's crocodile tears was the foiling of yet another ruse to distract Americans from the wreckage in Iraq. He and his party, eager to change the subject in an election year, just can't let go of their scapegoat strategy. It's illegal Hispanic immigrants, gay couples seeking marital rights, cut-and-run Democrats and rampaging flag burners who have betrayed America's values, not those who bungled a war.
The Times's offense was to publish a front-page article about a comprehensive American effort to track terrorists with the aid of a Belgian consortium, Swift, which serves as a clearinghouse for some 7,800 financial institutions in 200 countries.
It was a solid piece of journalism. But if you want to learn the truly dirty secrets of how our government prosecutes this war, the story of how it vilified The Times is more damning than anything in the article that caused the uproar.
The assault on a free press during our own wartime should be recognized for what it is: another desperate ploy by officials trying to hide their own lethal mistakes in the shadows. It's the antithesis of everything we celebrate with the blazing lights of Independence Day.
Congratulations, well done Rich!
Your words about embedded into Demos Party hypocrisy deserved to be heard and acted upon..., or they are going to loose again...
Your words about embedded into Demos Party hypocrisy deserved to be heard and acted upon..., or they are going to loose again...
Flags
As we celebrate Independence weekend (we actually declared independence on the 2nd and passed the Declaration on the 4th) I continue my tradition of flying the 13 star flag for patriotic holidays. Like it or not, the GOP has made the 50 star flag a symbol of their politics. Our politics come from the ideas reflected, however imprefectly, in our founding documents and the ideas behind them: liberty, freedom, participation in government, creating a new nation as a model for others.
Fly the 13 star flag.
As we celebrate Independence weekend (we actually declared independence on the 2nd and passed the Declaration on the 4th) I continue my tradition of flying the 13 star flag for patriotic holidays. Like it or not, the GOP has made the 50 star flag a symbol of their politics. Our politics come from the ideas reflected, however imprefectly, in our founding documents and the ideas behind them: liberty, freedom, participation in government, creating a new nation as a model for others.
Fly the 13 star flag.
Fly the 13 star flag.
Ya...the revolution is what WE should wrap ourselves in (as Democrats).
Good lead post (@08:56)
Ya...the revolution is what WE should wrap ourselves in (as Democrats).
Good lead post (@08:56)
by JOHN SASS on Monday, 07/03/06 @ 09:49 AM | Rate this | Avg Rating: 2 ...
Hello John.
I am not happy with what the administration has done with the banking records...but I am also convinced that there is nothing illegal about it.
Even the NY Times concedes that (although they did not make it clear in the originial article).
Overseas banking transactions are and have long been fair game for federal monitoring. Yes they are doing it on an unprecedented scale adn that to me is what is troubling...
But I can also see their point that it is a valuable tool. I have some experience in law enforcement (dont be alarmed PHil) and while I have never gotten records on this broad a stroke...it is a quite helpful tool to looking at the bad guys.
I am very non opinionated on the flag burning gig. I would suggest this. If it came to the states...it would be approved in aboutthe same time it took for the 18 year old vote...ie one of the fastest amendments on record.
As for the rest of FR column. He is just blown because the GOP is better at politics then the Dems are.
Robert
Hello John.
I am not happy with what the administration has done with the banking records...but I am also convinced that there is nothing illegal about it.
Even the NY Times concedes that (although they did not make it clear in the originial article).
Overseas banking transactions are and have long been fair game for federal monitoring. Yes they are doing it on an unprecedented scale adn that to me is what is troubling...
But I can also see their point that it is a valuable tool. I have some experience in law enforcement (dont be alarmed PHil) and while I have never gotten records on this broad a stroke...it is a quite helpful tool to looking at the bad guys.
I am very non opinionated on the flag burning gig. I would suggest this. If it came to the states...it would be approved in aboutthe same time it took for the 18 year old vote...ie one of the fastest amendments on record.
As for the rest of FR column. He is just blown because the GOP is better at politics then the Dems are.
Robert
Flags
by rich^kolker on Monday, 07/03/06 @ 09:59 AM | Rate this | Avg Rating: - ..
the locals are already blown with the flag issue. There is of course the 50 star and 13 stripes but then each states guard flies their own colors and general has them painted on the side of their vehicles.
And on 4 Julio we add the 13 star and stripe version. Although really to be fair the first flag wouldhave the Union Jack in the ensign and 13stripes. That would really confuse them, until they find a mission for the USS Constitution in which case every one would be confused!
Robert
by rich^kolker on Monday, 07/03/06 @ 09:59 AM | Rate this | Avg Rating: - ..
the locals are already blown with the flag issue. There is of course the 50 star and 13 stripes but then each states guard flies their own colors and general has them painted on the side of their vehicles.
And on 4 Julio we add the 13 star and stripe version. Although really to be fair the first flag wouldhave the Union Jack in the ensign and 13stripes. That would really confuse them, until they find a mission for the USS Constitution in which case every one would be confused!
Robert
It is going to be entertaining to see if the boys and girls at the big building on NASA Highway go ahead with launching after the crack in the foam was found.
my guess is that they will. It kind of has this erie flashback to "when do you want me to launch--July?"
Robert
my guess is that they will. It kind of has this erie flashback to "when do you want me to launch--July?"
Robert
Shuttle may not launch
Shuttle foam crack puts launch in doubt
By MIKE SCHNEIDER, Associated Press Writer 16 minutes ago
CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. - Inspectors found a 5-inch-long crack in the foam insulation covering the shuttle Discovery's external fuel tank, and
NASA managers were deciding Monday whether to call off the scheduled Fourth of July launch.
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The crack was spotted during an overnight inspection. NASA had scrubbed launch plans Saturday and Sunday because of poor weather and had removed fuel from the tank.
The inspectors found the crack, which was an eighth of an inch deep, in the foam on a bracket near the top of the external fuel tank.
"We don't know if it's a problem or not," NASA spokesman George Diller said Monday.
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Shuttle foam crack puts launch in doubt
By MIKE SCHNEIDER, Associated Press Writer 16 minutes ago
CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. - Inspectors found a 5-inch-long crack in the foam insulation covering the shuttle Discovery's external fuel tank, and
NASA managers were deciding Monday whether to call off the scheduled Fourth of July launch.
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The crack was spotted during an overnight inspection. NASA had scrubbed launch plans Saturday and Sunday because of poor weather and had removed fuel from the tank.
The inspectors found the crack, which was an eighth of an inch deep, in the foam on a bracket near the top of the external fuel tank.
"We don't know if it's a problem or not," NASA spokesman George Diller said Monday.
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Biofuel Illusion
See:
www.counterpunch.org/olmstead070...
Excerpt:
Before you rush out to buy an E-85 pickup, consider:
-- The United States annually consumes more fossil and nuclear energy than all the energy produced in a year by the country's plant life, including forests and that used for food and fiber, according to figures from the U.S. Department of Energy and David Pimentel, a Cornell University researcher.
-- To produce enough corn-based ethanol to meet current U.S. demand for automotive gasoline, we would need to nearly double the amount of land used for harvested crops, plant all of it in corn, year after year, and not eat any of it. Even a greener fuel source like the switchgrass President Bush mentioned, which requires fewer petroleum-based inputs than corn and reduces topsoil losses by growing back each year, could provide only a small fraction of the energy we demand.
-- The corn and soybeans that make ethanol and biodiesel take huge quantities of fossil fuel for farm machinery, pesticides and fertilizer. Much of it comes from foreign sources, including some that may not be dependable, such as Russia and countries in the Middle East.
-- Corn and soybean production as practiced in the Midwest is ecologically unsustainable. Its effects include massive topsoil erosion, pollution of surface and groundwater with pesticides, and fertilizer runoff that travels down the Mississippi River to deplete oxygen and life from a New Jersey-size portion of the Gulf of Mexico.
-- Improving fuel efficiency in cars by just 1 mile per gallon -- a gain possible with proper tire inflation -- would cut fuel consumption equal to the total amount of ethanol federally mandated for production in 2012.
See:
www.counterpunch.org/olmstead070...
Excerpt:
Before you rush out to buy an E-85 pickup, consider:
-- The United States annually consumes more fossil and nuclear energy than all the energy produced in a year by the country's plant life, including forests and that used for food and fiber, according to figures from the U.S. Department of Energy and David Pimentel, a Cornell University researcher.
-- To produce enough corn-based ethanol to meet current U.S. demand for automotive gasoline, we would need to nearly double the amount of land used for harvested crops, plant all of it in corn, year after year, and not eat any of it. Even a greener fuel source like the switchgrass President Bush mentioned, which requires fewer petroleum-based inputs than corn and reduces topsoil losses by growing back each year, could provide only a small fraction of the energy we demand.
-- The corn and soybeans that make ethanol and biodiesel take huge quantities of fossil fuel for farm machinery, pesticides and fertilizer. Much of it comes from foreign sources, including some that may not be dependable, such as Russia and countries in the Middle East.
-- Corn and soybean production as practiced in the Midwest is ecologically unsustainable. Its effects include massive topsoil erosion, pollution of surface and groundwater with pesticides, and fertilizer runoff that travels down the Mississippi River to deplete oxygen and life from a New Jersey-size portion of the Gulf of Mexico.
-- Improving fuel efficiency in cars by just 1 mile per gallon -- a gain possible with proper tire inflation -- would cut fuel consumption equal to the total amount of ethanol federally mandated for production in 2012.
This one sentence says it all
The post by Rich is excellent. One sentence caught my eye:
"Today I see the party, at the national level, at the state level, and here, afraid of stating clearly and strongly the ideas that brought me to it. I don't think this is because those ideas are wrong, and I don't think it's because all Democrats have left behind the principles that built the party of Roosevelt, the party of the people."
Nothing epitomizes my feeling about the Democratic Party today quite so perfectly as that one sentence. Kudos, Rich, for making these points. I hope someone with the power to influence the party is listening.
The post by Rich is excellent. One sentence caught my eye:
"Today I see the party, at the national level, at the state level, and here, afraid of stating clearly and strongly the ideas that brought me to it. I don't think this is because those ideas are wrong, and I don't think it's because all Democrats have left behind the principles that built the party of Roosevelt, the party of the people."
Nothing epitomizes my feeling about the Democratic Party today quite so perfectly as that one sentence. Kudos, Rich, for making these points. I hope someone with the power to influence the party is listening.
-- Improving fuel efficiency in cars by just 1 mile per gallon -- a gain possible with proper tire inflation -- would cut fuel consumption equal to the total amount of ethanol federally mandated for production in 2012.
by JOHN SASS on Monday, 07/03/06 @ 10:54 AM | Rate this | Avg Rating: -
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John.
Precisly ethanol is a farm pander program (FPP). It is a subsidy that makes no sense of one remotly understands the laws of thermodynamics.
But the laws of pork are quite another matter.
Robert
by JOHN SASS on Monday, 07/03/06 @ 10:54 AM | Rate this | Avg Rating: -
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John.
Precisly ethanol is a farm pander program (FPP). It is a subsidy that makes no sense of one remotly understands the laws of thermodynamics.
But the laws of pork are quite another matter.
Robert
by JOHN SASS on Monday, 07/03/06 @ 10:54 AM | Rate this | Avg Rating: -
This woman should be slapped for not understanding the that the future of ethanol never was in corn.
This woman should be slapped for not understanding the that the future of ethanol never was in corn.
Declaration of Independence
Great disscussion of the Document heard around the world over at HEP.
Thank Charlie Graspski while your there.
www.howardempowered.com/...
Great disscussion of the Document heard around the world over at HEP.
Thank Charlie Graspski while your there.
www.howardempowered.com/...
Rahm Emanuel...
...is at it again. Sparring with the direction of the Democratic party with Howard Dean.
click for story. Hope this works.
www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Democ...
...is at it again. Sparring with the direction of the Democratic party with Howard Dean.
click for story. Hope this works.
www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Democ...
by mary vb on Monday, 07/03/06 @ 11:21 AM | Rate this | Avg Rating: - ..
perhaps we could hear that line again from another blogger aboutthe Party being more united then ever...
Robert
perhaps we could hear that line again from another blogger aboutthe Party being more united then ever...
Robert
Shuttle Foam
Apparently a chunk oif foam "big enough to damage the shuttle's TPS" fell off and was found on the launch platform. The photo shos a trianglar shaped piece of foam about 3" X 3" and I don't know how deep. This is addition to the crack on the LO2 feedline.
I'd certainly not try to launch tomorrow. I'd step back for at least a week and take a good look at the crack and the falling foam.
Apparently a chunk oif foam "big enough to damage the shuttle's TPS" fell off and was found on the launch platform. The photo shos a trianglar shaped piece of foam about 3" X 3" and I don't know how deep. This is addition to the crack on the LO2 feedline.
I'd certainly not try to launch tomorrow. I'd step back for at least a week and take a good look at the crack and the falling foam.
Why we dont win
We shouldn't be hiding what we believe from the voters merely in the name of winning elections. Because if we can't win as Democrats, how can we govern as Democrats. And if we can't govern as Democrats, what have we won?
by rich^kolker on Monday, 07/03/06 @ 08:56 AM | Edit post | Avg Rating: 2..
That is a great speech. The problem is however I think one step larger "How do we win as Democrats?"
That answer seems less clear. I am not for sure it is clear enough for me to post a reply, except as I sit here waiting for something to happen I will post this.
Republicans tend to have not easier answers but more direct ones. "If we cut taxes you get to keep more of your money".
OK dont agree with that (I really dont) but it is the famous 10 word (ok 12) word phrase that "sings" while Dems rarely have anything like it nor do they have any answer to it. 10 word answers are not that new to The Republic. Before there was a Republic there was "No taxation without representation", "Give me Liberty or give me death", "Live free or die" (well the entire quote is longer but this works) and "Struck sir, no Sir, I have not yet begun to fight".. To name but a few.
come to think of it the Brits never had good responses for the 10 word phrases!
They lost as well!
I dont know that I am arguing for 10 word phrases, but what were 10 words (or 20) that nailed the Dean Campaign (What was the slogan of the Dean campaign?). The 10 words that nailed the Kerry campaign "stronger abroad more respected at home" sucked. We as a party and as an ideology dont tend to worry about how to market our idears. We just seem to think "that their explanation should be obvious" and they are not.
It is easy to say "Marriage is a sacred institution" or "It is between a man and a woman"...We dont even try "equal protection under the law".
It is like the flag burning thing. I have a feeling a lot of people in the partyknow what they are against. I dont think that they know what they are for.
You and I disagree on what to do in Iraq...but you have a plan and have some suggestions on what that plan means. The vast majority of people who are against going forward in iraq have no idear how to present "what happens next" (or "the next 10 words")_. It is just "leave now and let them solve it".
Americans as the far right learned about three decades ago are smarter then that. They probably dont think five or six moves down the history board, but they think a couple or three. And the GOP is great excellent in fact at pointing out what those next couple of moves are.
Or at least what their vision of that movement are.
"Cut taxes you get to keep more of your money to spend on whatever you want to, creating more jobs".
that is about 3 moves.
Robert
We shouldn't be hiding what we believe from the voters merely in the name of winning elections. Because if we can't win as Democrats, how can we govern as Democrats. And if we can't govern as Democrats, what have we won?
by rich^kolker on Monday, 07/03/06 @ 08:56 AM | Edit post | Avg Rating: 2..
That is a great speech. The problem is however I think one step larger "How do we win as Democrats?"
That answer seems less clear. I am not for sure it is clear enough for me to post a reply, except as I sit here waiting for something to happen I will post this.
Republicans tend to have not easier answers but more direct ones. "If we cut taxes you get to keep more of your money".
OK dont agree with that (I really dont) but it is the famous 10 word (ok 12) word phrase that "sings" while Dems rarely have anything like it nor do they have any answer to it. 10 word answers are not that new to The Republic. Before there was a Republic there was "No taxation without representation", "Give me Liberty or give me death", "Live free or die" (well the entire quote is longer but this works) and "Struck sir, no Sir, I have not yet begun to fight".. To name but a few.
come to think of it the Brits never had good responses for the 10 word phrases!
They lost as well!
I dont know that I am arguing for 10 word phrases, but what were 10 words (or 20) that nailed the Dean Campaign (What was the slogan of the Dean campaign?). The 10 words that nailed the Kerry campaign "stronger abroad more respected at home" sucked. We as a party and as an ideology dont tend to worry about how to market our idears. We just seem to think "that their explanation should be obvious" and they are not.
It is easy to say "Marriage is a sacred institution" or "It is between a man and a woman"...We dont even try "equal protection under the law".
It is like the flag burning thing. I have a feeling a lot of people in the partyknow what they are against. I dont think that they know what they are for.
You and I disagree on what to do in Iraq...but you have a plan and have some suggestions on what that plan means. The vast majority of people who are against going forward in iraq have no idear how to present "what happens next" (or "the next 10 words")_. It is just "leave now and let them solve it".
Americans as the far right learned about three decades ago are smarter then that. They probably dont think five or six moves down the history board, but they think a couple or three. And the GOP is great excellent in fact at pointing out what those next couple of moves are.
Or at least what their vision of that movement are.
"Cut taxes you get to keep more of your money to spend on whatever you want to, creating more jobs".
that is about 3 moves.
Robert
...the GOP is better at politics then the Dems are.
Robert
by Robert Oler on Monday, 07/03/06 @ 10:19 AM | Rate this | Avg Rating: 2
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if "better at politics" means less hypocrysy..., - I would agree with this.
Reps, in general, are less hypocritical about their intentions and goals, which is one of the mayor reasons, imo, why they were winning...
Robert
by Robert Oler on Monday, 07/03/06 @ 10:19 AM | Rate this | Avg Rating: 2
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if "better at politics" means less hypocrysy..., - I would agree with this.
Reps, in general, are less hypocritical about their intentions and goals, which is one of the mayor reasons, imo, why they were winning...
by rich^kolker on Monday, 07/03/06 @ 08:56 AM | Edit post | Avg Rating: 2......
I'll add this.
Democrats remind me of Ed Beavea (spell last name...the guy who started Am West and then Western PAcific).
Ed was (is I dont know what he is doing now) a smart guy. But really he was to smart. A lot of times when West pac was starting up sitting in meetings with him, you had the feeling that Ed really thought that he really was going to start an airline and make a go at it by completly forcing changes down the throat of human nature.
It has been an accpeted industry standard that there are three things sacred in the airlined industry. PUll any member of the traveling public off the street and say "do you fly X airline" and if they say "yes" then they will be able to do three things.
1) describe the flight attendant uniform and what a "generic flight attendant" (usually one of the opposite sex from them) looks like
2) name the jingle/slogan whatever is on their ads
3) describe what the tail is painted up as.
When one would mention those to Ed, he would waive his hands and smile "those are simple indicators, we are going to reinvent how the public thinks of flying".
Hence West Pac had no gingle, the tail space was a lot of things, and the flight attendant uniforms were seattle grundge.
Southwest which has some modest success 1) "Makes flying fun" in every ad, 2) has pretty standard flight attendant outfits and they are all hired out of the same mold, and 3) Even the whale airplanes have Southwest on the tail.
The Democratic Party and Ed B would get along well.
Robert
I'll add this.
Democrats remind me of Ed Beavea (spell last name...the guy who started Am West and then Western PAcific).
Ed was (is I dont know what he is doing now) a smart guy. But really he was to smart. A lot of times when West pac was starting up sitting in meetings with him, you had the feeling that Ed really thought that he really was going to start an airline and make a go at it by completly forcing changes down the throat of human nature.
It has been an accpeted industry standard that there are three things sacred in the airlined industry. PUll any member of the traveling public off the street and say "do you fly X airline" and if they say "yes" then they will be able to do three things.
1) describe the flight attendant uniform and what a "generic flight attendant" (usually one of the opposite sex from them) looks like
2) name the jingle/slogan whatever is on their ads
3) describe what the tail is painted up as.
When one would mention those to Ed, he would waive his hands and smile "those are simple indicators, we are going to reinvent how the public thinks of flying".
Hence West Pac had no gingle, the tail space was a lot of things, and the flight attendant uniforms were seattle grundge.
Southwest which has some modest success 1) "Makes flying fun" in every ad, 2) has pretty standard flight attendant outfits and they are all hired out of the same mold, and 3) Even the whale airplanes have Southwest on the tail.
The Democratic Party and Ed B would get along well.
Robert
of the mayor reasons, imo, why they were winning...
by Vladimir Kogut on Monday, 07/03/06 @ 11:44 AM | Rate this | Avg Rating: -
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I might be surprised...I dont htink that many people here are going to like the 06 elections.
Robert
by Vladimir Kogut on Monday, 07/03/06 @ 11:44 AM | Rate this | Avg Rating: -
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I might be surprised...I dont htink that many people here are going to like the 06 elections.
Robert
Doesn't flying an old flag
just mean that you're giving the current one to the other side?
I proudly fly the 50 star flag, and I support the right to express oneself by burning it, too.
just mean that you're giving the current one to the other side?
I proudly fly the 50 star flag, and I support the right to express oneself by burning it, too.
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Howard Zinn and Why I am A Team Change Candidate for AD 76 Delegation
By Michael McQuary on Jan 8, 2009 11:13 PM EST
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By TeatimeTim*in*NEOhio on Jul 3, 2006 9:28 AM EDTOf course Dean is first!