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Crossing the Lines
"THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman."I quote Paine because quoting Sorkin's "American President" might be considered shallow, if just as apropos, "We have serious problems to solve, and we need serious men to solve them."
The most serious of those problems isn't Iraq, isn't terrorism, isn't the cost of gasoline or the supply of oil or education or jobs; the most serious of those problems is that the United States is in danger of losing its Unity. We are all in danger of losing something that existed even before we were a nation, before 1776 and which that Declaration only reflected, our identity as Americans.
This is not to say we have not faced division before: Federalists and Republicans, Jacksonians and Whigs, the North and South, native and immigrant, white and black. But each of those divisions were underlaid with a common sense of America even as they fought over their uncommonalities. That is missing today.
The other side is no longer the opposition, it has become the enemy. The concept of a "loyal opposition" is gone, you are either loyal, or you are anti-American, and that goes whether you look from the right, or from the left, or even within the Democratic Party where DLC battles liberal base. The goal in elections is no longer to defeat your opponent, it is to destroy him. There is no faith in the system, the Constitution which has guided us, the world's most successful revolutionary democratic republic, for over 200 years.
Where is the person who can speak across these boundaries as Robert Kennedy once did? What can that person say?
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that's what doesn't work.
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that's what doesn't work.
... because of the vaccinations (and be absolved of culpability for those consequences) they have to accept that a certain number of people may choose to *not* be vaccinated even if it makes their control of the circumstances less than absolute.
by Demetrius on Thursday, 07/06/06 @ 02:23 PM
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there is some evidence that natural infection creates better lifelong immunity than vaccinations for non-life-threatening illnesses like Measles, mumps and chicken pox [while I know deaths have been associated with these, it is rare and there are usually complicating factors which makes them comparable to the common cold.]
Parents who wish to have their kids develop immunity from natural infection find it hard to find such natural infection among a vaccinated population.
fred
by Demetrius on Thursday, 07/06/06 @ 02:23 PM
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there is some evidence that natural infection creates better lifelong immunity than vaccinations for non-life-threatening illnesses like Measles, mumps and chicken pox [while I know deaths have been associated with these, it is rare and there are usually complicating factors which makes them comparable to the common cold.]
Parents who wish to have their kids develop immunity from natural infection find it hard to find such natural infection among a vaccinated population.
fred
great post, Rich
Well-written and I'm glad you chose Paine over Sorkin;)!
Do you think Feingold is the man to speak across those boundaries?
Well-written and I'm glad you chose Paine over Sorkin;)!
Do you think Feingold is the man to speak across those boundaries?
Lieberman/Lamont Debate
I actually think this is a signal event and worth watching, if at all possible.
When parties have a "lock" on a seat, there's an almost inevitable tendency for it to atrophy and become increasingly irrelevant to the electorate. As a result, only that portion of the electorate that perceives a personal benefit. rather than a civic benefit, continues to participate in what are, for all intents and purposes, rubber-stamp ballots.
The Lieberman/Lamont contest promises to break that pattern.
I actually think this is a signal event and worth watching, if at all possible.
When parties have a "lock" on a seat, there's an almost inevitable tendency for it to atrophy and become increasingly irrelevant to the electorate. As a result, only that portion of the electorate that perceives a personal benefit. rather than a civic benefit, continues to participate in what are, for all intents and purposes, rubber-stamp ballots.
The Lieberman/Lamont contest promises to break that pattern.
Why is autism on the rise? Some speculate that
it was previously underreported....that's plausible....
by * cChalfonte* on Thursday, 07/06/06 @ 02:43 PM |
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We are talking about a disease that was once virtually unknown, and still unknown among the Amish. It is now 1 in every 166 children. It doubled in California between 1998 and 2002. There was never an change in the definition or parameters of diagnosis.
Due to "previously unreported" not only false contention - it is more of a red-herring.
Fred
it was previously underreported....that's plausible....
by * cChalfonte* on Thursday, 07/06/06 @ 02:43 PM |
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We are talking about a disease that was once virtually unknown, and still unknown among the Amish. It is now 1 in every 166 children. It doubled in California between 1998 and 2002. There was never an change in the definition or parameters of diagnosis.
Due to "previously unreported" not only false contention - it is more of a red-herring.
Fred
I'm not sure unity is all that important.
Shared values of a quest for liberty and justice and democratically arrived at solutions.
we had a workable constitution until cheney and company dissed the balance of powers idea
Shared values of a quest for liberty and justice and democratically arrived at solutions.
we had a workable constitution until cheney and company dissed the balance of powers idea
Feingold?
cC,
Feingold is my guy this cycle (unless something changes, it's a long time to 2008), but if he's going to be able to speak across the lines he needs to work on how he is going to do it. In the short term, that may mean stepping back from the give and take of the weekly talk shows and the daily debates and reenter the fray down the road with the message and method that crosses the lines.
My first and best choice to do this in the 2008 cycle was Gary Hart, but in a very nice reply to a letter I wrote him, he stated in very plain terms that he had no interest in running for elective office again (which is in part what would make him the kind of candidate which could cross lines...he had been out of the political fray but kept his fingers in governance with activities like the anti-terrorism commission and writing books on the issues facing the US).
What Fengold needs to do is find a way to encapsulate what I think has been his governing philosophy since first elected in "words so plain and clear as to command assent." Something that people can look at and say "I don't always agree with what he says, but he really believes it and it comes from both reason and heart and he will always act in the best interests of the country."
I have some ideas what those words might be, but I'm certainly not going to list them here :)
cC,
Feingold is my guy this cycle (unless something changes, it's a long time to 2008), but if he's going to be able to speak across the lines he needs to work on how he is going to do it. In the short term, that may mean stepping back from the give and take of the weekly talk shows and the daily debates and reenter the fray down the road with the message and method that crosses the lines.
My first and best choice to do this in the 2008 cycle was Gary Hart, but in a very nice reply to a letter I wrote him, he stated in very plain terms that he had no interest in running for elective office again (which is in part what would make him the kind of candidate which could cross lines...he had been out of the political fray but kept his fingers in governance with activities like the anti-terrorism commission and writing books on the issues facing the US).
What Fengold needs to do is find a way to encapsulate what I think has been his governing philosophy since first elected in "words so plain and clear as to command assent." Something that people can look at and say "I don't always agree with what he says, but he really believes it and it comes from both reason and heart and he will always act in the best interests of the country."
I have some ideas what those words might be, but I'm certainly not going to list them here :)
Dear Philip,
Last week wasn't the best for Kenneth Blackwell.
Ted Strickland and his campaign have made sure that he has a mountain to climb to win a promotion to governor.
Jennifer Brunner's campaign is doing better than ever, thanks to your help. We beat our goal by more than four thousand dollars -- raising $24,256 for her campaign.
And last Thursday, Chad McVeigh and other College Democrats in Ohio delivered our VOTES Declaration to Secretary of State Blackwell's office as a challenge: to fix Ohio's system or get out of the way for people who can.
We delivered that message to his office to make sure the people of Ohio had their voices heard. You can read the account of the trip -- and send it on to your friends:
This delivery is not the end of our work to protect the right to vote -- it is just the start.
A little more than a month ago our community began circulating the VOTES Declaration through our website: www.heartlandpac.org. Since then it has garnered attention from concerned citizens -- over 10,000 in all.
Reading through your comments on the Declaration, it is clear this issue strikes a nerve. Many made strong statements about how voting is a right and not a privilege. Francille, a resident of Cuyahoga County, Ohio, put it best: "this should not be necessary, but unfortunately it is."
The right to vote doesn't seem important to Kenneth Blackwell and many other election officials across the country. That is why we are making sure your signature is delivered to every statewide election official in the country -- and asking our whole community to support candidates for secretary of state.
Please take a moment to tell your friends and neighbors about these races and how important it is to help these candidates win in November:
www.heartlandpac.org/...
Thank you for taking the time to support this effort. Your work is already making a real impact on races that are ignored until it is too late.
Our community has stepped up to help our endorsed Secretaries of State: Jennifer Brunner, Ohio; Mike Mauro, Iowa; Ross Miller, Nevada; and Ken Gordon, Colorado. Each campaign reports seeing a difference since we began our effort to bring attention to these races.
Down-ballot races struggle to gain visibility and resources. Working together we are changing the dynamic. Anything we can do will make a difference on Election Day for these campaigns -- and that is why we can't stop now.
I know that many of you have already done what you can, but please tell your friends and neighbors about these important races, and see if they can help:
I have enjoyed working with everyone on this project. When we started, I was determined to build a community that could stand up and make a difference -- and it is.
Let's keep the drumbeat going. Nothing is more fundamental than the right to vote. Working together we can elect candidates who will work to restore confidence in this most basic right. We can make a difference in November and for years to come.
Best,
Tom Vilsack
PS: Stay tuned. More hand deliveries are being planned.
Last week wasn't the best for Kenneth Blackwell.
Ted Strickland and his campaign have made sure that he has a mountain to climb to win a promotion to governor.
Jennifer Brunner's campaign is doing better than ever, thanks to your help. We beat our goal by more than four thousand dollars -- raising $24,256 for her campaign.
And last Thursday, Chad McVeigh and other College Democrats in Ohio delivered our VOTES Declaration to Secretary of State Blackwell's office as a challenge: to fix Ohio's system or get out of the way for people who can.
We delivered that message to his office to make sure the people of Ohio had their voices heard. You can read the account of the trip -- and send it on to your friends:
This delivery is not the end of our work to protect the right to vote -- it is just the start.
A little more than a month ago our community began circulating the VOTES Declaration through our website: www.heartlandpac.org. Since then it has garnered attention from concerned citizens -- over 10,000 in all.
Reading through your comments on the Declaration, it is clear this issue strikes a nerve. Many made strong statements about how voting is a right and not a privilege. Francille, a resident of Cuyahoga County, Ohio, put it best: "this should not be necessary, but unfortunately it is."
The right to vote doesn't seem important to Kenneth Blackwell and many other election officials across the country. That is why we are making sure your signature is delivered to every statewide election official in the country -- and asking our whole community to support candidates for secretary of state.
Please take a moment to tell your friends and neighbors about these races and how important it is to help these candidates win in November:
www.heartlandpac.org/...
Thank you for taking the time to support this effort. Your work is already making a real impact on races that are ignored until it is too late.
Our community has stepped up to help our endorsed Secretaries of State: Jennifer Brunner, Ohio; Mike Mauro, Iowa; Ross Miller, Nevada; and Ken Gordon, Colorado. Each campaign reports seeing a difference since we began our effort to bring attention to these races.
Down-ballot races struggle to gain visibility and resources. Working together we are changing the dynamic. Anything we can do will make a difference on Election Day for these campaigns -- and that is why we can't stop now.
I know that many of you have already done what you can, but please tell your friends and neighbors about these important races, and see if they can help:
I have enjoyed working with everyone on this project. When we started, I was determined to build a community that could stand up and make a difference -- and it is.
Let's keep the drumbeat going. Nothing is more fundamental than the right to vote. Working together we can elect candidates who will work to restore confidence in this most basic right. We can make a difference in November and for years to come.
Best,
Tom Vilsack
PS: Stay tuned. More hand deliveries are being planned.
Vilsack has figured out that it is not voters but counted votes that count.
by monica smith on Thursday, 07/06/06 @ 03:17 PM
In Opera it requires a double-click.
BTW, eldest son discovered yesterday that Opera is now free to download for everyone--without banner ads. When he was able to demonstrate that I could get all the features I particularly like on a Mac, I was persuaded to order an i-Mac Powerbook that comes with a Wifi card built in. Soon I'll be able to blog from bed. LOL
In Opera it requires a double-click.
BTW, eldest son discovered yesterday that Opera is now free to download for everyone--without banner ads. When he was able to demonstrate that I could get all the features I particularly like on a Mac, I was persuaded to order an i-Mac Powerbook that comes with a Wifi card built in. Soon I'll be able to blog from bed. LOL
Dean on NY gay marriage ruling
Dean called the ruling bigoted. click for story.
www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Dean_...
Re: Gary Hart. My husband is thrilled that he will be working with Gary Hart on energy and environmental issues in Denver. I also think he would have been a great president.
Dean called the ruling bigoted. click for story.
www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Dean_...
Re: Gary Hart. My husband is thrilled that he will be working with Gary Hart on energy and environmental issues in Denver. I also think he would have been a great president.
Rich, thanks.
whatever else folks might think about this new software I have these observations:
1. New names are popping up on the blog.
2. More civil discussion.
3. Great front-page threads from community members.
An improvement, imo.
Have a great afternoon, all:)
whatever else folks might think about this new software I have these observations:
1. New names are popping up on the blog.
2. More civil discussion.
3. Great front-page threads from community members.
An improvement, imo.
Have a great afternoon, all:)
by mary vb on Thursday, 07/06/06 @ 03:25 PM
That Dean guy sure has a way with words--always the right ones at the right time.
That Dean guy sure has a way with words--always the right ones at the right time.
Yes, the potential of negative ratings
does seem to promote more substantive discussion.
Whatever they may claim, most people don't relish being shunned in any way.
does seem to promote more substantive discussion.
Whatever they may claim, most people don't relish being shunned in any way.
Garrison Keillor talks about Ralph Reed
There is a diary at Kos with a link to some good stuff Garrison Keillor said about my favorite choirboy, Ralph Reed.
It's a doozy so click if you're interested.
www.pahrumpvalleytimes.com/2006/...
There is a diary at Kos with a link to some good stuff Garrison Keillor said about my favorite choirboy, Ralph Reed.
It's a doozy so click if you're interested.
www.pahrumpvalleytimes.com/2006/...
"...there is some evidence that natural infection creates better lifelong immunity than vaccinations for non-life-threatening illnesses ...
by FRED CARUSO on Thursday, 07/06/06 @ 02:55 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: - "
There's every reason to think this is true. The intricate interdependencies of life that have evolved over millenia (or designed by God, or whatever) tend to create better, more lasting solutions. But, natural immunity is harder to control and quantify (and *sell*!)
by FRED CARUSO on Thursday, 07/06/06 @ 02:55 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: - "
There's every reason to think this is true. The intricate interdependencies of life that have evolved over millenia (or designed by God, or whatever) tend to create better, more lasting solutions. But, natural immunity is harder to control and quantify (and *sell*!)
by monica smith on Thursday, 07/06/06 @ 03:22 PM
You should give "Flock" a whirl. It has a number of feature that are great. One of the best is that it is designed to hock up with most blogs and generate a blog post. Allows for posting pictures online, and has a great RSS feed. Works as a firefox base.
http://www.flock.com
You should give "Flock" a whirl. It has a number of feature that are great. One of the best is that it is designed to hock up with most blogs and generate a blog post. Allows for posting pictures online, and has a great RSS feed. Works as a firefox base.
http://www.flock.com
Unity
Rich,
It is very difficult to argue with the premise political divisions are threatening national unity. It would be extremely helpful to understand what are the specific advantages Feingold has in reaching across political lines and unifying the country. I like his positions on most, if not all issues, which is refreshing. I admire his principles and willingness to oppose governmental abuses, knowing full well that he will be accused of abetting terrorists or being anti-American. I have not considered his potential to reach across the aisle, so to speak. What qualities do you perceive that will facilitate a dialog and respect from Republicans and Independents?
Rich,
It is very difficult to argue with the premise political divisions are threatening national unity. It would be extremely helpful to understand what are the specific advantages Feingold has in reaching across political lines and unifying the country. I like his positions on most, if not all issues, which is refreshing. I admire his principles and willingness to oppose governmental abuses, knowing full well that he will be accused of abetting terrorists or being anti-American. I have not considered his potential to reach across the aisle, so to speak. What qualities do you perceive that will facilitate a dialog and respect from Republicans and Independents?
Got done feeding the baby - can't believe the debate is only four hours away
make that 2 hours and forty minutes away
finding the active thread is difficult walking in cold
the quicker they get the server upgrade done the better
looks like I'll have dry hay by debate time, so I hope someone who watches will fill us in here
the quicker they get the server upgrade done the better
looks like I'll have dry hay by debate time, so I hope someone who watches will fill us in here
But, natural immunity is harder to control and quantify (and *sell*!)
by Demetrius on Thursday, 07/06/06 @ 03:50 PM
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You hit the key word. "sell" Did you know that we consume 40% of the world's prescription drugs? and that Pharmaceuticals is our second biggest dollar export behind "culture" (music, TV, books, mags, movies, etc.) We must be the guinea pigs for production and export.
by Demetrius on Thursday, 07/06/06 @ 03:50 PM
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You hit the key word. "sell" Did you know that we consume 40% of the world's prescription drugs? and that Pharmaceuticals is our second biggest dollar export behind "culture" (music, TV, books, mags, movies, etc.) We must be the guinea pigs for production and export.
Unity
usually means get in line behind the President.
I think that impulse has been very damaging to the country not helpful.
a divided country is much to be preferred to one in lockstep with Bush/Cheney
(now a Gary Hart administration; that would be different)vb
thanks rich for giving me something to think about while raking hay, good post
usually means get in line behind the President.
I think that impulse has been very damaging to the country not helpful.
a divided country is much to be preferred to one in lockstep with Bush/Cheney
(now a Gary Hart administration; that would be different)vb
thanks rich for giving me something to think about while raking hay, good post
This message was sent by your Democracy for the Hudson-Mohawk Region organizer, Andrew C. White.
Andrew C.,
I just received this notice from the Gillibrand campaign and wanted to pass it on to you as quickly as possible. We are on the front lines of the battle to take back the House and we have a great candidate leading the charge!
GILLIBRAND BEATS SWEENEY IN QUARTERLY FUNDRAISING - BREAKS $500,000
Hudson, NY - Kirsten Gillibrand, congressional candidate in NY's 20th district raised over $500,000 this FEC quarter (April 1 - June 30, 2006). The campaign has raised a record breaking 1.2 million to date and will report over $750,000 cash on hand.
"I am honored and grateful for the generous support of my efforts - we continue to receive a financial vote of confidence in our campaign from people throughout this district, this state and our country who believe, as I do, that we need real change and new ideas in Washington - and that change will start right here in the 20th District", said Gillibrand.
Final FEC reports are due July 15th, 2006.
The fact of the matter is that Kirsten Gillibrand has improved her fund raising numbers every quarter since she started and if indeed she has outraised Sweeney this quarter (even with John McCain coming in to help him!) then she has out raised him over the entire last 12 months!
Keep up the good work Kirsten! Keep up the good work everyone! And if you have time this weekend for the final push on gathering petition signatures then please contact Carol Olszewski and spend a few hours taking back the House!
Peace,
Andrew
p.s. for the BFA at DFA-Link crowd... it is a shame that money so dominates politics and I can't wait until we get clean money, clean elections legislation passed state by state across the nation and force the feds to take real action on the matter... but in the meantime I am overjoyed to have a candidate in my district that is spent the last couple years raising money for Howard Dean and John Kerry and others and is able to do it in a major way for her own campaign. She is kicking Sweeney's rear-end... and boy does it ever deserve kickin!
Andrew C.,
I just received this notice from the Gillibrand campaign and wanted to pass it on to you as quickly as possible. We are on the front lines of the battle to take back the House and we have a great candidate leading the charge!
GILLIBRAND BEATS SWEENEY IN QUARTERLY FUNDRAISING - BREAKS $500,000
Hudson, NY - Kirsten Gillibrand, congressional candidate in NY's 20th district raised over $500,000 this FEC quarter (April 1 - June 30, 2006). The campaign has raised a record breaking 1.2 million to date and will report over $750,000 cash on hand.
"I am honored and grateful for the generous support of my efforts - we continue to receive a financial vote of confidence in our campaign from people throughout this district, this state and our country who believe, as I do, that we need real change and new ideas in Washington - and that change will start right here in the 20th District", said Gillibrand.
Final FEC reports are due July 15th, 2006.
The fact of the matter is that Kirsten Gillibrand has improved her fund raising numbers every quarter since she started and if indeed she has outraised Sweeney this quarter (even with John McCain coming in to help him!) then she has out raised him over the entire last 12 months!
Keep up the good work Kirsten! Keep up the good work everyone! And if you have time this weekend for the final push on gathering petition signatures then please contact Carol Olszewski and spend a few hours taking back the House!
Peace,
Andrew
p.s. for the BFA at DFA-Link crowd... it is a shame that money so dominates politics and I can't wait until we get clean money, clean elections legislation passed state by state across the nation and force the feds to take real action on the matter... but in the meantime I am overjoyed to have a candidate in my district that is spent the last couple years raising money for Howard Dean and John Kerry and others and is able to do it in a major way for her own campaign. She is kicking Sweeney's rear-end... and boy does it ever deserve kickin!
four 08 Presidential candidates are here in Iowa this week
they are a great way to get a turnout for a state candidate's event
Russ Feingold is doing his 932nd "listening" event across the river since being elected to the Senate.
He may decide to skip Iowa with Vilsack in the race.
He has a goal of 1000 WI events and may not get their if he comes over here.
McCain has decided to play here which will be tough given his ethanol stand.
they are a great way to get a turnout for a state candidate's event
Russ Feingold is doing his 932nd "listening" event across the river since being elected to the Senate.
He may decide to skip Iowa with Vilsack in the race.
He has a goal of 1000 WI events and may not get their if he comes over here.
McCain has decided to play here which will be tough given his ethanol stand.
Time Has Come Today
Fred wrote "make that 2 hours and forty minutes [until the debate.]"
Now how many hours is it?
Fred wrote "make that 2 hours and forty minutes [until the debate.]"
Now how many hours is it?
Just so you know
there's a new post on BFA. Want to make it a thread?
Tonight's Debate
When Ned Lamont debates Joe Lieberman tonight, people all over the country will be watching.
This isn't just about Connecticut's senator, it's about the future of the Party.
"It's an enormous opportunity for voters to take control of this party," said Jim Dean, a Lamont supporter and chairman of Democracy for America... "It's not only about whether the Democrats can reassert themselves in Congress, but also what kind of direction they're going to take."
You can join them at 7 pm, on WVIT-NBC news, Channel 30, in Connecticut, or on C-SPAN or MSNBC. You can also join us for a live blog, starting at 6:45 p.m. on Blog for America, with commentary and analysis by DFA staff and members. As a preview for tonight, here's some commentary that's already been picked up by the Boston Globe:
"[Lieberman]'s the most significant drag there is on party unity," said Vivien Blackford, a Democratic activist who is supporting Lamont. "The Democrats nationally have been unable to get their acts together. On every really important issue, where Democrats need to stand together, Joe Lieberman won't do it. He's [Senate Democratic leader] Harry Reid's biggest headache."
?Julia Marden
Posted by DFA Intern at 04:30 PM
there's a new post on BFA. Want to make it a thread?
Tonight's Debate
When Ned Lamont debates Joe Lieberman tonight, people all over the country will be watching.
This isn't just about Connecticut's senator, it's about the future of the Party.
"It's an enormous opportunity for voters to take control of this party," said Jim Dean, a Lamont supporter and chairman of Democracy for America... "It's not only about whether the Democrats can reassert themselves in Congress, but also what kind of direction they're going to take."
You can join them at 7 pm, on WVIT-NBC news, Channel 30, in Connecticut, or on C-SPAN or MSNBC. You can also join us for a live blog, starting at 6:45 p.m. on Blog for America, with commentary and analysis by DFA staff and members. As a preview for tonight, here's some commentary that's already been picked up by the Boston Globe:
"[Lieberman]'s the most significant drag there is on party unity," said Vivien Blackford, a Democratic activist who is supporting Lamont. "The Democrats nationally have been unable to get their acts together. On every really important issue, where Democrats need to stand together, Joe Lieberman won't do it. He's [Senate Democratic leader] Harry Reid's biggest headache."
?Julia Marden
Posted by DFA Intern at 04:30 PM
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