Howard Dean is first.

This event was so encouraging.  Great way to get to know our neighbors and so much support from the passing vehicles.  There were even some spontaneous participants who saw the Vigil and joined us.

Was it you, Phil, who suggested that Gore could be nominated at the convention?

Is this really a possibility if this race stays so contested?

Does this mean that a vote for Hillary, keeping it as close as possible, could lead to a Gore nomination and a Gore presidency?

Go, Pasadena.

Judy for Dean wrote:

"Does anyone really believe for one moment that these 'Thugs will *allow* a Democratic win in November?"

Well? 

Gore will not run. He has no infrastructure and no support and no money.
We are gowing to choose between the two contenders we have; warts and all.

You go into an election with the candidates you have and not the candidates you wished for (Rumsfeld paraphrase)

Other bloggers make racist statements, and I would bet  you they would deny any semblance of racism to a dying breath.  That's, for me, the tragedy.

Name the bloggers, Pat.  This is slander and unacceptable.  Name the bloggers and cut the innuendo.

My husband suggested that rather than hating Obama for his mixed race, ...

Where is THIS coming from?  Are you pointing at us again?  What's with the mixed race thing?  We all know about it. Perhaps you mean that some people hate only half of him.  :-)   Some people hate the white half, some the dark..is that what you mean?  LOL

3:30 PM EDT

dog soldier, had you heard about this ?:

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/111-03212008-1506766.html

Vietnam general endorses Obama
 

By BRIAN SCHEID
Bucks County Courier Times

BRISTOL - Major Gen. Walter Stewart Jr., the former deputy commander of the Pennsylvania Army National Guard, endorsed presidential hopeful Barack Obama Thursday morning at a campaign event in Bristol.

Stewart, a Vietnam veteran from Berks County who retired from the Army in 2000, said he became a registered Democrat last week to vote for Obama because of his call to end the war in Iraq.

He had previously supported Republican Ron Paul's presidential campaign, he said.

Stewart said that Hillary Clinton, Obama's Democratic opponent, and John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential candidate, had “everything” to do with starting the war, while Obama had “nothing” to do with it.

“This strategic catastrophe that is the war in Iraq has cost us 4,000 young Americans,” Stewart said at the event with a dozen military veterans supporting Obama. “I will not forgive Hillary Clinton for her vote on the war in Iraq and I hope that Americans won't either.”

Stewart was joined at the event by Bucks County Congressman Patrick Murphy, D-8, State Rep. Bryan Lentz, D-Delaware County, both Iraq war veterans

...

Does this mean that a vote for Hillary, keeping it as close as possible, could lead to a Gore nomination and a Gore presidency?

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no

if Hillary tries to steal the nomination with super delegates after coming up short with the voter allocated ones but has enough to deny Obama and Edwards has the difference, a true deadlocked convention after a hundred votes, Gore might come up

a vote for Hillary is a vote for Hillary

don't vote for anyone that you don't want to have the nomination

the effect of Rush Limbaugh voters for Hillary might lead to Gore is the threat to keep them home, because the convention will never allow them to be the margin

100-1 long shot

I still can't figure out why you won't support Obama if you don't want Hillary 

Jo

Jo, what is it about you that you translate perceptions, feelings, intuition and musings into hate?    I just saw that silly post to me from threads ago.   How far in the past does that memory go that makes you  clobber people over the head ?  I refer you to "thankful."

I think putz is one of the most dysfunctional people on the planet but I don't hate him.  Nor do I hate the Obamas.  Nor do I hate Hillary.  Anything but glowing praise for the Obamas is somehow translated into hate.  Look inside yourself, please.

I've even praised BO but you don't seem to read that, do you?

 Ok, back to the regularly scheduled flaming!

on a past thread I gave a HOWARDLY to all who took to the streets

thank you

seashell~ Jo and Pat don't have any comments posted on this thread. You're the one doing all the flaming!

seashell wrote "Does this mean that a vote for Hillary, keeping it as close as possible, could lead to a Gore nomination and a Gore presidency?"

You've been taken in by the media perpetrated myth that this race is close.  Jim Vandehei and Mike Allen powerwash the glitter off of this elaborate facade today in the Politico, writing in part:

"One big fact has largely been lost in the recent coverage of the Democratic presidential race: Hillary Rodham Clinton has virtually no chance of winning.

"Her own campaign acknowledges there is no way that she will finish ahead in pledged delegates. That means the only way she wins is if Democratic superdelegates are ready to risk a backlash of historic proportions from the party’s most reliable constituency.

"Unless Clinton is able to at least win the primary popular vote — which also would take nothing less than an electoral miracle — and use that achievement to pressure superdelegates, she has only one scenario for victory. An African-American opponent and his backers would be told that, even though he won the contest with voters, the prize is going to someone else.

" . . . .

"In other words: The notion of the Democratic contest being a dramatic cliffhanger is a game of make-believe.

" . . . .

"But even some of Clinton’s own advisers now concede that she cannot win unless Obama is hit by a political meteor. Something that merely undermines him won't be enough. It would have to be some development that essentially disqualifies him.

"Simple number-crunching has shown the long odds against Clinton for some time.

"In the latest Associated Press delegate count, Obama leads with 1,406 pledged delegates to Clinton’s 1,249. Obama’s lead is likely to grow, as it did with county conventions last weekend in Iowa, as later rounds of delegates are apportioned from caucuses he has already won.

" . . . .

"An analysis by Politico's Avi Zenilman shows that Clinton’s lead in superdelegates has shrunk by about 60 in the past month. And it found Clinton is roughly tied among House members, senators and governors — the party’s most powerful elite.

" . . . .

"But let’s assume a best-case scenario for Clinton, one where she wins every remaining contest with 60 percent of the vote (an unlikely outcome since she has hit that level in only three states so far — her home state of New York, Rhode Island and Arkansas).

"Even then, she would still be behind Obama in delegates.

"There are 566 pledged delegates up for grabs in upcoming contests. Those delegates come from Pennsylvania (158), Guam (4) North Carolina (115), Indiana (72), West Virginia (28), Kentucky (51), Oregon (52), Puerto Rico (55), Montana (16) and South Dakota (15).

"If Clinton won 60 percent of those delegates, she would get 340 delegates to Obama's 226. Under that scenario — and without revotes in Michigan and Florida — Obama would still lead in delegates by 1,632 to 1,589.

" . . . .

"Her advisers say privately that the nominee will be clear by the end of June. At the same time, they recognize that the nominee probably is clear already.

What has to irk Clintons’ aides is that they felt she might finally have him on the ropes, bruised badly by the Wright fight and wobbly in polls. But the bell rang long ago in the minds of too many voters."

take the opportunity to go see Obama while he is in Oregon seashell

What's going on with you, Seashell? 

There are racist, prejudiced statements on the blogs, Internet, media constantly.  Geraldine Ferraro, Reverend Wright, Pat Robertson, Pat Buchanan, etc., and bloggers.  It's important to call these statements out.  

I'd appreciate it if you would stop attacking me by taking my posts as personal to you. 

* rdorgan
Fri, 03/21/08

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dog soldier, had you heard about this ?:

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Gen Stewert is about as good as they come. He was a member of the 13th airborn Bat who saved my sorry ass more times then I can count. I would think his endorcement tells Hillary and McCain that vets will not vote for the same folks who are to gutless to stop the killing.

seashell :-)
Fri, 03/21/08

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Sorry, but I have a visceral contempt for Bush for all the damage he has done. I fear both Hillary and McCain will be more of the same.
That seems illogical about Hillary. Why, how could a Democrat be as bad as the Rwpub leadership?
Hillary is one of the biggest liars and deceivors ever to grace the political stage. Distrust and hypocracy rule with her. It will be very hard, if not impossible, for me to support her.

West Michigan weather report.
It is in the mid-20s with heavy snowfall. It is snowing about an inch per hour and we have 4 inches of new snow on the ground. It should peak at about 8 inches today.
It is going to be tuff driving to attend the Good Friday service tonight.
Did anybody say spring is here

Mayhem at Fox News this AM - Chris Wallace walks off set.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21...

Sorry if someone has already posted this.

Has National Nurse Teri been by yet? I know she's a huge Barack supporter and I'm hopeful she'll drop by with a report of him in Portland today.

whoops - Brian Kilmeade walked off set and Chris Wallace stood up for Barack because the hosts were Barack bashing.

Reverend Wright

http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=562&Itemid=1

The fact is, most African Americans agree with Rev. Wright.

But the common and ordinary wisdom of Black America is inadmissible in mainstream US discourse. In the reality-defying bubble of US corporate media, one must never speak of the genocide and dispossession of Native Americans as “terror”. Comparing the atomic bombings of hundreds of thousands of civilians in World War 2, the snuffing out of two million Vietnamese lives in the sixties and seventies or one million plus Iraqis and counting in the current war is, in mainstream media, strictly off-limits. And any suggestion that US imperial policies in the Middle East, Africa or elsewhere might provoke justified resistance or understandable retaliation is deemed beyond-the-pale anti-American hate speech.

4:10pm

West Michigan weather report.

dog soldier~ glad I live in mid-East Michigan, no snow here... sorry, devil made me say it and I'm sure I'll live to regret it when we get it here and you don't. :-)

Here's a video that will make you cringe and think oh, no, not another nutty politician from Florida.  This is what the DNC already knew when Florida Democrats appeared before the rules committee and pretended to be victims.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1926

What is all this "talk" about Gore running. There isn't a change in you-know-where he will run. The nomination will be decided right after the last caucus on June 7 in P.R.

Do you agree with Hillary's voting against providing seniors with a prescription drug benefit?
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Please don't count on seniors as being stupid enough to fall for this: This was a Bush/Big Pharma bill, and any selfrespecting Democrat did NOT vote for it.

"Barack Obama has already won the Democratic nomination. It's over," declared Dick Morris, a pundit who strategized in the Clinton White House. Mr. Obama's lead in delegates cannot be overcome, he observed, and the superdelegates would not strip the leading candidate of his nomination "unless Obama is in jail."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080320.OBAMA20/TPStory/TPInternational/America

 Yep!

John wrote "The fact is, most African Americans agree with Rev. Wright."

Monica posted a remarkable clip this morning, an excerpt of Rev. Wright's sermon which provides the context of the comments repeated by the sensationalistic news media, in tiny sound bites, ad nauseum.  The full excerpt shows that for reference, in what he called a "faith footnote," Rev. Wright was elababorating on comments about the cycle of violence and revenge against innocent victims found in scripture, made by Malcolm X, and made by Edward Peck, a former Reagan era diplomat and deputy director of the White House Task Force on Terrorism during the Reagan administration. 

Most black people do agree with Rev. Wright and most people who disagree with him are white.  It's hardly a coincidence.  It's an illustration of the type of misunderstandings that are rife between races, which was precisely what Obama was addressing in his speech.  What a shock that the lazy, uninformed, tone deaf media failed to comprehend any of it.

Yep!

Joan~ and Amen!! :-)

Clinton Campaign: We Only Have 1 in 10 Shot at Nomination

Jo, what is it about you that you translate perceptions, feelings, intuition and musings into hate? 

seashell, when I hear your off-the-wall rants against Michelle, totally from your IMAGINATION, not from anything that actually happened, yes, I do remember it.  these aren't my musings, interpretations, etc - they are yours.  go back and read what you wrote about her on that thread.  and then try to remember your coming here to slam her a month or so ago, when fortunately some of us here that day had seen the entire rally so we knew your words were all your imaginings and called you out on it and you agreed you might be wrong.  that was the first day I started questioning what you write here - you are/were a trusted blogger to me and I just never questioned what you wrote. until that moment.  do you really not see the impact of your own words?

Remember the 3AM girl, she has made a video about her support for Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXmYVRIpu2w&eurl=http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/hqblog

Here's the text of Rev. Wright's sermon. Shame on all wingers and others for flaming this fellow.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3...

I'd like to see the other clips on the MSM. thank you, Monica for posting the clip a couple of threads ago.

Huron John - Thanks for the link to the Rev. Wright article. The fact is my white, 82 yr old father agrees with Rev. Wright. My dad also said he sat in the pews many a time and disagreed with his priest.

My sister told me last week she turned on C-span to help her fall asleep one night but Michelle Obama was speaking. She said rather than fall asleep she stayed up an hour listening to her. She was so excited at the possibility that this incredible woman may just be the next First Lady. w00t.

Video of Richardson endorsement in Portland.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3...

Is there a chance that Richardson may be the VP? Curious because of the mountain west. I know Sitka thinks Napoletano of AZ(sp?) or Sibelius of Kansas. Just curious if he adds value. He has a great resume plus he's Latino and he's New Mexico. Thoughts?

If Obama is the nominee I still like Obama/Boxer.

Here's the clip Monica found and posted this morning, which she titled "Calling Mr. Whole Truth":

vb wrote "Is there a chance that Richardson may be the VP?"

I kind of like the idea of a vice president with a beard.  It reminds me a little of the old days.

Remember the 3AM girl, she has made a video about her support for Obama.

Awesome! She is so cute!!

Clinton campaign in the red.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsm...

Will Clinton fold up her tent prior to PA?

Chris Matthews didn't get the memo or the video clip of Rev. Wright with the full context of Wright's comments. Perhaps one of you great writers will send him the video with a great email?

If Obama is the nominee I still like Obama/Boxer.  

That would be a potent combo--touch a lot of bases!

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Huron John
Fri, 03/21/08

The fact is, most African Americans agree with Rev. Wright.
But the common and ordinary wisdom of Black America is inadmissible in mainstream US discourse. In the reality-defying bubble of US corporate media, one must never speak of the genocide and dispossession of Native Americans as “terror”. Comparing the atomic bombings of hundreds of thousands of civilians in World War 2, the snuffing out of two million Vietnamese lives in the sixties and seventies or one million plus Iraqis and counting in the current war is, in mainstream media, strictly off-limits. And any suggestion that US imperial policies in the Middle East, Africa or elsewhere might provoke justified resistance or understandable retaliation is deemed beyond-the-pale anti-American hate speech.
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The other fact is that Obama himself (though gently and carefully) denounced “some” of the Rev. Wright’s statements. Which ones exactly? Nobody knows, apparently the ones that are the most “inflammatory” (?!). Still not completely clear, but let’s leave at least something to guess..., especially when it is not so hard, lol.

I’m not surprised that Republican Ron Paul allowed himself to tell the truth not only shocking but about as twice, at least, “beyond-the-pale anti-American hate speech” as the half-truth allowed by Obama. If he decided to run for President and win, neither his supporters should expect nor should himself yield “too much truth” but instead zero ““beyond-the-pale anti-American hate speech To delivery BOTH at the same time one really have to be grand-master with words manipulation, the quality he is perfectly comfortable with.

Rev. Wright said the truth; Senator Obama said half of it, may be hoping to say another half after nominated. The risk is he may lose nomination nevertheless without letting Americans know the second half of his own truth.

Compromise as a policy is not the way to win.

Pat:

I apologize profusely.  I'm so used to being flamed here (in the past by you too)  that I made some unwise assumptions.  When you said "bloggers" I really thought you meant us.

I still think we need to be able to speak our opinions and thoughts w/o being shouted down or criticized.  We're supposed to be in this together, but it doesn't feel that way anymore.  Even tho I've praised BO's race speech and the vid of Wright, it still isn't enuf for some of you.  

Jo, at least I can admit when I'm wrong or might be wrong. 

Did any of you really *hear* what Reed said before he left? 

Phil:

The reason I won't vote for either of them in the primary is becuz I don't like their foreign policy war-like stance.  Killing people, animals, forests, insects is NEVER the answer IMO.   I will, of course, vote for whomever is nominated but agree with Judy for Dean.

"So?"

Cheney 

As I've said, cheney and mcc over there at the same time is chilling.  Cheney's "So?" says it all.  We are no longer part of the political equation in the minds of putzco.

I also like Obama/Boxer and could vote with enthusiasm.