Howard Dean is always first!

susan, look at the published time above: 8:49? its 5:15 pst right now.

Thanks for the new thread, mprov!

I like the title :)

Evening, all.

If everyone recommends this thread I think it gets front-paged (I think that's the way it works). 

how about that gore interview this morning?

I missed the interview - had to be at the office. But I sure heard about it! I'm still hopeful :)

gore spoke well and dispelled a few rumors. the indian scientist with him was top notch as well.

Video


12/10/2007 7:00:00 AM
Former Vice Pres. Al Gore and Rajendra Pachauri Awarded with Nobel Peace Prize
Former Vice President Al Gore and Rajendra Pachauri, Chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change are jointly awarded with the Nobel Peace Prize. The two recipients, recognized for their efforts on climate change, speak at the Nobel ceremony in Oslo City Hall. 01:08

ceremony

http://www.c-span.org/rss/video.asp?Medi...

The blog is a mess today.

Sorry mprov the blog count is so off today. I'm going to log off and will be back soon.

i'm wondering if the IT guy got fired?

This is the worst I've seen it in several months. It has to be the knowledge is not there. I'm sure they've gotten the message by now.

Will check back later - nice night to just chill.

IT guys disappeared quite a while ago. (After making a BIG mess of the blog. . . .)

8:59

Of course, I guess they could go back to the Old blog. . . .

(Well, a girl can dream, can't she? LOL!)

Of course, I guess they could go back to the Old blog. . . .

I liked the one they had just before this one. Being able rate comments kept me out of many a disagreement. I'd hate to go back to the original blog though. I had to sign in for every post on it. 

Nah. That'd be too easy. . . . AND too sane. . . .

"But if I did get back in (to politics) it would be as President, not in any other position." -- Al Gore 

I Am Egg. Hear Me Roar. by Mark McVay

In Colorado, a state that seemingly cannot make up its mind whether to lean left or right, the stage has been set for a new round of debate over the question of when life begins and who gets to decide – just in time for the 2008 elections. With the certainty and self-acknowledgement that God is firmly on their side, Colorado anti-abortion activists are tacitly citing divine intervention now that the Colorado Supreme Court has voted unanimously to allow them to begin collecting the signatures needed to bring forward a ballot initiative that would grant the status of legal personhood to the unborn even if the unborn are fertilized eggs.

A group called Colorado for Equal Rights (CER) is seeking to pass an amendment expanding the definition of "person" in three parts of the Colorado Constitution. The new definition will define "person" to mean a human being from the moment of fertilization. Kristi Burton, 20, a spokeswoman for Colorado for Equal Rights who is helping to lead the effort, predicted there will be enough support.

"It has a really good chance (of becoming law)" she said. "What we're doing is defining life, at the moment of fertilization, that is a human being, that is a person. Our whole goal is to protect human life in general, at whatever age. More than anything," she admitted, "we have God on our side". ...full article: http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_...

test xx:16

test xx:18

Brand new front page thread.

http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/23238#comments 

Sitka - I left a message for you on the last topic.... : )

New York Times/CBS News Poll. December 10, 2007

Three weeks before the Iowa caucuses, Republicans voters across the country appear uninspired by their field of presidential candidates, with a vast majority saying they have not made a final decision about who to support..  None of the Republican candidates is viewed favorably by even half of the Republican electorate, the poll found.

The poll found just 1 percent said they might be swayed by the involvement of Oprah Winfrey.  

New front thread folks.

This New (old?) Front thread already has 23 comments on it -- Hello ? motto "Leave No Blogger Behind"), just informed previous thread

fyi - new Front thread

(it already has 23 comments on it -- Hello ? motto "Leave No Blogger Behind")


*rdorgan, the thread was an open thread mprov started lastnight. They promoted it this morning at 8:00AM...a bit strange, definitely.

Good morning everybody!

I see Al Gore hasn't closed the door on a Presidential run. He's inching but will it be for '08?????

Just wanted to add that I hope Phil in Iowa (as well as any other midwesterners) are safe and warm. That ice storm looks so brutal.

25.

Yep, we have entered the --

the --

"The Twilight Zone".

27.

second that (ice storms here now in NE are bad but the ones in the MW look particularly dangerous)

Just got back from opening the polls at warwick precinct in newport news. boy is it cold out there.

light turnout.

I love it when the one rethug shows up and can't shut their mouth for nothing. no table. just interfering on our turf.

just go away.

From the previous thread for Mr. Rooney.

78.

Susan Rowe
Tue, 12/11/07
8:55 am


70.

DANIEL ROONEY
Tue, 12/11/07
8:28 am


wrote:

(This is why Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton want gun control so badly! )


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This is why.

Madera County man held in domestic abuse case

The Fresno Bee 12/10/07

MADERA — A 41-year-old man was arrested early Monday after threatening his wife and children and firing a gun inside a residence on Road 31, east of Madera, the Madera County Sheriff's Department reported.

Sheriff's spokeswoman Erica Stuart said the suspect, whose name was not immediately released, tried to flee when officers arrived but was quickly caught. Inside the home, deputies reported finding a handgun and a spent bullet allegedly fired just before a 1 a.m. 911 call.

The suspect was booked in Madera County Jail on suspicion of attempted murder, intent to terrorize, weapons charges, violating a court order to prevent domestic violence, shooting at an inhabited dwelling and interfering with a peace officer, Stuart said. ...check for updates at: http://www.fresnobee.com/updates/story/2...

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81.

Susan Rowe
Tue, 12/11/07
9:12 am

Mr. Rooney,

If threats of violence don't work the Republicans and ultra right-wingers use this way. It doesn't work either.

This jury had 11 women on it. Interestingly enough some local attorneys thought that wasn't a plus. I wonder why?

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Trial shocker: $19m Jury says CSUF discriminated against Stacy Johnson-Klein.

By George Hostetter and Bryant-Jon Anteola

The Fresno Bee 12/06/07

A jury Thursday awarded $19.1 million to former Fresno State women's basketball coach Stacy Johnson-Klein in a verdict that was stunning as much for its speed as its size.

After eight weeks of testimony in Johnson-Klein's sexual discrimination trial, the jury of 11 women and one man needed less than four hours of deliberations to unanimously decide the university had discriminated and retaliated against her.

The jurors embraced her lawyers' explanation for her firing nearly three years ago: She's a woman, she was an unrelenting champion of women's equality and Fresno State couldn't tolerate such an employee.

"Vindicated," Johnson-Klein said of her reaction to the jury's verdict while standing in a hall at Fresno County Superior Court. "... For women in general, I think it's a victory to see that there's a justice system in America. You can use it. It's long. It's hard. It's not for the weak of heart. But it works."

Fresno State President John Welty said in a statement: "This fundamentally has always been an employment case. The university will always act when the health and welfare of its students is endangered.

"I disagree with the decision. We will appeal. But we are determined not to be distracted by it and will continue with the essential work of the university. I am personally committed, and this university is committed, to the well-being of all our students."

In his Fulton Mall office an hour after the verdict, Fresno State lawyer Mick Marderosian said he was upset with the verdict.

"I'm embarrassed for my community and for my hometown," Marderosian said.

Thursday's verdict was the third time in five months that the central San Joaquin Valley's largest institution of higher learning suffered an expensive and high-profile blow to its reputation for gender equity.

In July, former volleyball coach Lindy Vivas' sexual discrimination ...photos and full article: http://www.fresnobee.com/263/story/25143...

Related Content

Award revives questions about John Welty's future

Damages breakdown-How the jury in the Stacy Johnson-Klein trial against Fresno State reached its award:

Past economic losses: $634,254

Future economic losses: $4,440,419

Past noneconomic suffering: $3 million

Future noneconomic suffering: $11 million

Total: $19,074,673

End war on Earth, says Gore as he picks up peace prize
JOHN ARCHER

AL GORE, the climate-change campaigner, collected the Nobel Peace Prize yesterday and said it was time to make peace with the planet.

The former vice-president of the United States shared the 2007 prize with the United Nations intergovernmental panel on climate change.


"Without realising it, we have begun to wage war on the Earth itself," Mr Gore said at Oslo's City Hall.

"It is time to make peace with the planet. The very web of life on which we depend is being ripped and frayed."

Which thread are we using?

84.

http://www.animationlibrary.com/animation/27389/Juggler_9/

From the previous thread.

85.

* rdorgan
Tue, 12/11/07
9:36 am

Meet the Life Hackers: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/16/magazi...

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/group/ObamaHQ/

Today, Al Gore delivered his Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech, admonishing world leaders to rapdily address the growing climate crisis:

[T]he earth has a fever. And the fever is rising. The experts have told us it is not a passing affliction that will heal by itself. We asked for a second opinion. And a third. And a fourth. And the consistent conclusion, restated with increasing alarm, is that something basic is wrong.

We are what is wrong, and we must make it right.

Here's what Barack had to say when it was announced that Gore won the Peace Prize:

By having the courage to challenge the skeptics in Washington and lead in the climate crisis facing our planet, Al Gore has advanced the cause of peace and richly deserves the Nobel Prize he's receiving today.  His voice and his vision have awakened the conscience of America to the urgency of this threat

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test
xx:59

Gore could come in very late and deny a majority of delegates to Denver and throw it open to the Convention.

that would be fun

are you working to become a delegate?

It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas

MEMO

TO: DFA HQ Tech Staff
FROM Susan Rowe
RE: BUG REPORT!!!


Please edit this post. The links that are posted are messing up the blog's browse all page. They're too long please post them as a hyper link.

http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/23235...

Thank you,

Susan Rowe

37.

Phil Specht
Tue, 12/11/07
9:52 am



That sure would be fun. The Convention is called a nomination convention. That sure would mess up the state's delegate selection process. California folks have to declare a candidate to run for a DNC convention delegate postition before the primary. The vote is fixed in some states before the convention.

Brief Overview of Congressman Paul’s Record:

He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.

He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

Congressman Paul introduces numerous pieces of substantive legislation each year, probably more than any single member of Congress.

Tim Russert is talking about the possibility of Edwards and Hillary forming an unholy alliance in IA to stop Obama. She would actually instruct her followers to support him and let him win.

Sounds like something she would do; and it's something he has done. But do they really have enough lackeys without a conscience to pull it off?

Disclaimer: Russert is a notorius GOP gossip monger and troublemaker like Novak. 

http://www.flyingelvi.com/flying_santa.h...

http://www.flyingelvi.com/home.html

This one is for Mr. Rooney.

http://www.linkydinky.com/graceland/

The Clinton camp has similar research; things are tense in Hillaryland these days.

Her once-commanding advantage over Obama in Iowa and New Hampshire -- the two critical initial contests -- is evaporating. She has gotten the worst of recent exchanges over Iran and health care.

There are also political strains with her greatest asset and surrogate, Bill Clinton. The former president was quoted last month as saying he had really opposed the invasion of Iraq from the beginning; he later claimed he was misquoted.

Top Clinton campaign officials were privately furious at the former president, saying he had revived the complaint that the Clintons lack credibility, unfairly tarnishing his wife in the process.

For his part, the former president, one close associate says, has been bouncing off the walls at the campaign's ineptitude in the past few weeks. (It is not known if the Clintons shared any of these sentiments with each other).

The anxiety being felt by Bill Clinton, America's most skillful politician, is understandable. Hillary's campaign is off-balance.

Turning Negative

After falling behind in the Iowa polls, Senator Clinton, who earlier condemned attacks by other Democrats, turned negative on Obama. Fair enough. Except her attacks were neither focused nor effective. This strategy raised more questions about her than Obama.

And her campaign has a near-obsession with what it perceives as a hostile press. They were incensed at a New York Times story that reported skepticism about Hillary's contention that her proposal to overhaul health care would help a lot more people than the plan of her rival. The best advice to them: Get over it.

It's a good bet that Clinton, encouraged by her husband, is weighing a shakeup, such as bringing in former White House Chief of Staff John Podesta to direct the overall campaign. The question is whether it's too late and too awkward before those first contests, which are to be held in 3 1/2 weeks.

Plan A Failing

The Clinton organization had a clear plan A: It envisioned the candidate, as the choice of the party establishment and natural heir to the presidency, to so dominate 2007 that she would be able to corner, not have to capture, the nomination. It worked perfectly for most of the year.

The strategy has imploded. In a similar situation, Bill Clinton would have changed plans on a dime -- he could have gone from B to E during a rest stop.

Hillary has all the strengths cited by those Philadelphia Democrats and much more discipline than her husband. If she can't adjust and rise to this challenge, however, she may well finish third in the Iowa caucuses and lose to Obama in New Hampshire. In the past 30 years, no candidate has lost both these tests and won the nomination.

(Albert R. Hunt is the executive editor for Washington at Bloomberg News.)

looks like Bill is angling for next year's Nobel (err, Noble) Peace (err, Keep the Peace) Prize ?:

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071211/GPG0101/712110568

Posted December 11, 2007

Bill Clinton says Hillary should have run in the first place, even if it meant dumping him

AMES, Iowa — Campaigning for his wife, former President Clinton says that when they were starting out he was so struck by her intellect and ability he once suggested she should just dump him and jump into her own political career.

That didn't happen, of course, and on Monday he gave an Iowa crowd his version of why it didn't.

"I thought it would be wrong for me to rob her of the chance to be what I thought she should be," said Clinton. "She laughed and said, 'First I love you and, second, I'm not going to run for anything, I'm too hardheaded."'

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More for Mr. Rooney

Ron Paul is not passively against the right to choose, he is actively against it!

Embryonic stem cell programs not constitionally authorized. (May 2007)

Voted NO on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Jan 2007)

Voted NO on allowing human embryonic stem cell research. (May 2005)

Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)

Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)

Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)

Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)

Voted YES on funding for health providers who don't provide abortion info. (Sep 2002)

Voted YES on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad. (May 2001)

Voted NO on federal crime to harm fetus while committing other crimes. (Apr 2001)

Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortions. (Apr 2000)

Voted NO on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. (Jun 1999)

No federal funding of abortion, and pro-life. (Dec 2000)

Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)

Sitka, isn't it funny how the right wing is workiing so hard to stop Hillary in the Primary. They are still afraid of her, too. No doubt their mouths are wetting at a chance to defeat Hillary in the Primary, just as they did with Howard Dean, start playing attack ads on the presumptive Dem nominee. We'll have a Kerry Part Deux.

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Susan, what can I say, but SNAP. LOL

Sitka, isn't it funny how the right wing is workiing so hard to stop Hillary in the Primary.

Even to the point of having Bush and Rove sing her praises. They know their praise is damning for her. 

ATTENTION ALL MEN!! AND DANIEL ROONEY!

Purchase your supply of Lambskin now before it's against the law!

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December 9, 2007

I Am Egg. Hear Me Roar. by Mark McVay

In Colorado, a state that seemingly cannot make up its mind whether to lean left or right, the stage has been set for a new round of debate over the question of when life begins and who gets to decide – just in time for the 2008 elections.
With the certainty and self-acknowledgement that God is firmly on their side, Colorado anti-abortion activists are tacitly citing divine intervention now that the Colorado Supreme Court has voted unanimously to allow them to begin collecting the signatures needed to bring forward a ballot initiative that would grant the status of legal personhood to the unborn even if the unborn are fertilized eggs.

A group called Colorado for Equal Rights (CER) is seeking to pass an amendment expanding the definition of "person" in three parts of the Colorado Constitution. The new definition will define "person" to mean a human being from the moment of fertilization. Kristi Burton, 20, a spokeswoman for Colorado for Equal Rights who is helping to lead the effort, predicted there will be enough support.

"It has a really good chance (of becoming law)" she said. "What we're doing is defining life, at the moment of fertilization, that is a human being, that is a person. Our whole goal is to protect human life in general, at whatever age. More than anything," she admitted, "we have God on our side".

At whatever age? What about pre-fertilization life? Are sperm so easily and callously excluded from the debate? Is felony masturbation on the horizon? ... Full article: http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_...

Congressman Paul introduces numerous pieces of substantive legislation each year, probably more than any single member of Congress.

I looked and was unable to find him making that claim anywhere. If it was true, you'd think he'd brag about it.

A former CIA officer who participated in the capture and questioning of the first al-Qaeda terrorist suspect to be waterboarded said yesterday that the harsh technique provided an intelligence breakthrough that "probably saved lives," but that he now regards the tactic as torture.

Zayn Abidin Muhammed Hussein abu Zubaida, the first high-ranking al-Qaeda member captured after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, broke in less than a minute after he was subjected to the technique and began providing interrogators with information that led to the disruption of several planned attacks, said John Kiriakou, who served as a CIA interrogator in Pakistan.

Abu Zubaida was one of two detainees whose interrogation was captured in video recordings that the CIA later destroyed. The recent disclosure of the tapes' destruction ignited a recent furor on Capitol Hill and allegations that the agency tried to hide evidence of illegal torture.

It was like flipping a switch," said Kiriakou, the first former CIA employee directly involved in the questioning of "high-value" al-Qaeda detainees to speak publicly.

In an interview, Kiriakou said he did not witness Abu Zubaida's waterboarding but was part of the interrogation team that questioned him in a hospital in Pakistan for weeks after his capture in that country in the spring of 2002.

He described Abu Zubaida as ideologically zealous, defiant and uncooperative — until the day in mid-summer when his captors strapped him to a board, wrapped his nose and mouth in cellophane and forced water into his throat in a technique that simulates drowning.

"He said that Allah had come to him in his cell and told him to cooperate, because it would make things easier for his brothers," Kiriakou said.

48.

Linda*in*SFNM
Tue, 12/11/07
10:41 am

It's going to get done right nasty in the general is Mrs. Clinton is the nominee. Our folks will get so turn off they will not go to vote. It's works every time for the Republicans.

A former CIA officer who participated in the capture and questioning of the first al-Qaeda terrorist suspect to be waterboarded said yesterday that the harsh technique provided an intelligence breakthrough that "probably saved lives," but that he now regards the tactic as torture.

When you don't have any facts to support a lame assertion, just say, "probably."

51.

Sitka
Tue, 12/11/07
10:54 am


Congressman Paul introduces numerous pieces of substantive legislation each year, probably more than any single member of Congress.

I looked and was unable to find him making that claim anywhere. If it was true, you'd think he'd brag about it.
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The "selling/buying" culture is NOT the ONLY one SOME People respect.

Susan, it will be nasty period, as long as the Republicans are involved. It's whom they will have the greatest success in smearing unless they feel they can get a puppet and control the Dem nominee and then roll over for that.

The "selling/buying" culture is NOT the ONLY one SOME People respect.

True enough. But what that has to do with how much legislation Paul has introduced is beyond guessing. 

56....that's why folks should be informed and aware before they vote to send out their nominee. You know what you'll be up against. The insiders keep trying to push a Republican light, thinking that will give them a smooth sailing and the rest, who every just vote down the line should cinch it.

Even Tom Hartmann said that yesterday on the air. He feels we're going to end up with a Republican Light. He too should have thought about that months ago when he kept saying 'it doesn't matter who the Dem nominee is, it's up to the people to guide the nominee to the agenda they want'. What happened, he realized our elected politicians keep doing what THEY WANT, not what the people want? ... what took so long for him?

Linda,

In California the same group of men always hugely fund an anti-abortion ballot Proposition to get out their base voters. They will show up at the polls in mass. Last time there was one about mandating immunizations of little girls against cervical cancer that was to be paid for by the state. A bunch for very foolish male Democratic Legislators and Governors were for it. Big Pharma was also behind the effort.

He too should have thought about that months ago when he kept saying 'it doesn't matter who the Dem nominee is...."

The funny thing is, when I look at the top polling Democrats, I get that same impression.

Todays the last day of harmonica.........