Linda B is first for promoting this.

linda b is very first and is among those that personify the Howardly. Have a wonderful and productive time at TBA, linda. Oh, I wish I could be there to see you in action!

36.

Huron John
Sat, 06/16/07
6:36 am

.........
As Seashell has said many times, our foreign policy is being driven by Israel...
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John, when someone in their assessment is using words "our foreign policy" and/or "driven by Israel" the immediate question must follow: who are "we"? and who are "Israel"?

In both cases there is none. There is no "our/we" as well as there is no "Israel".

There are Bush&Co. and American People.
There are Israeli Government and Israeli People.

Bush&Co. and Israeli Government have common interests.
American People and Israeli People have common interests.
Distinguish them, don't confuse them, they AREN'T reconcilable!

46.

Phil Specht
Sat, 06/16/07
9:18 am

........
yes who would have thought an old liberal like me would be espousing what used to be conservative doctrines of limiting state power
-------
...lol,
The one only who is able to learn during entire lifetime stay always young!

bbl.

Check out the list of speakers...it is amazing and includes Senator Barack Obama and other Candidates. Wish I had the loot and carbon offsets to make the trip.

Great news and outstanding work, Lindab and DFA. This is an important conference for DFA to be visible and active. People need to see what great work you are doing.

TBA was one of the first conference in 2004 that we DFA'ers all gathered together at a meetup I helped organize. Several of us were featured in a picture in the Washington Post under a banner, DFA Bloggers love the Guv. I still have it posted on my frig! Then we had Demfest 1 the next month and the rest was history.

Wish I could be there; am kicking myself for not planning my life around this, but will be there in spirit. I look forward to your and others' blogging, Linda. We want pics and details!!

Indy Steve, I remember our meetup at the Hilton. It was fun with Kimmy and her green hair and us sitting in the front row and on the floor cheering on Howard! I remember the pix in the WApost. My right arm was on the front page of the WApost!!!!!!!!!!. What fun.

I wish you all could be there and now yesterday I read that Democracy for America is a sponsor of the TBA conf. Thank you Jim and Sheri for doing this.

Can't wait to get to DC.

I will blog from there, promise . Maybe Jim will stop by and say hi too. I know he is going to be busy with all the media there. He has a busy schedule.

I may not be able to push myself to the front but I will try to let the Hillarys and the Pelosi's that we need to get the heck out of Iraq.

former
Sat, 06/16/07
10:08 am
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Your last paragraph says alot..............our "common interests" with ertain ME countires is exactly whats gotten this nation into hot water with reprisals like 911 and so on.........the US should ow out of that region entirely, but they wont.............Americans have to accept that we are now direct contributors to our own demise.........i simple terms it means a permanent military garrison or two in the ME, future terroist targets abroad and most likely an eventual strike here at home....this is what the experts say............

Just to let you know, DC4Democracy is having a table there to promote DC voting rights.

I got a call and email from the young lady that is the chair of the group. She said that Jim Webb has not taken a stance on this important bill.

I told her to call Jim's office in DC. She did but got no answer.

So, I called the VA Beach office where our city committee chair is a staffer.

He used the office telephone to get someone in the DC office to get in touch with Keshe.

Jim Webb's staffer who handles the voting rights legislation called me to find out what the call was about.  I informed her about the DC group and the voting rights legislation she was working on. I told her I was a Virginia resident and had worked on Sen. Webb's campaign in my town and had set up all the precincts.

Well things started happening and on Monday at 5pm we have an appointment with Sen Webb and his staffers in his office on capitol hill. Kesha , myself and Jim Dean will be there to ask Sen Webb to support the DC Voting Rights act.

How do I get in the middle of these things.

A special thank you to Jim Dean for helping Kesha and DC4Democracy with this important bill.

Congrats Linda b !!

I was skeptical of this conference's lineup-and still believe clinton
and obama(and certain others) dont belong near anything 'progressive', but there
are also some good speakers lined up and Im hoping you can spread
the DFA 'word'.

thanks for doing what you do Linda!

I know, I am gonna sit on my hands with some of those speakers. Self serving but it makes the conf. look good to have them.

I am interested to see what Code Pink will be up to. Last year they tried to disrupt Clinton's speech and got stopped. That was great for democracy.

Medea Benjamin, the groups head is going to be on a panel. So we will see.

A funny story about the TBA Conference in 04. Hillary Clinton wasn't scheduled to speak. But when she saw that Dean and Edwards and Kerry would be there, she jumped into the ring by introducing George Soros. She is an opportunist of the first order which has its pluses and minuses.

She was NOT met with great applause but Howard Dean received a hero's welcome. It was nearly a riot....so the fact that some who are coming are not that progressive is fine. They have a lot of work to do.

linda b
Sat, 06/16/07
11:33 am

Yes, I remember your arm!! Just looked at it and it was right behind my head; looks like you're going to hit me....And I took a pic of Kimmy's tatoo (faith and hope, Howard Dean) and posted it on the blog. Those were good times. And there are many more to come!

Yes Indy, it was a near riot when Howard came out, I remember John Corizone was introducing him and the crowd saw Howard at the door. Well people were hanging over the balcony to cheer him on.

I remember John saying "but I'm not finished!!" then he just gave up.

It was electric.

Memories.

January 26, 2007

The 28,200-square-foot Edwards home in Orange County is expected to be valued at more than $6 million.

RALEIGH — Presidential candidate John Edwards and his family recently moved into what county tax officials say is the most valuable home in Orange County. The house, which includes a recreational building attached to the main living quarters, also is probably the largest in the county.

“The Edwardses’ residential property will likely have the highest tax value in the county,” Orange County Tax Assessor John Smith told Carolina Journal. He estimated that the tax value will exceed $6 million when the facility is completed.

The rambling structure sits in the middle of a 102-acre estate on Old Greensboro Road west of Chapel Hill. The heavily wooded site and winding driveway ensure that the home is not visible from the road. “No Trespassing” signs discourage passersby from venturing past the gate.

Don Knight, Orange County building plans examiner, told CJ that, including the recreational building, the Edwardses’ home would be one of the largest in Orange County.

Knight approved the building plans that showed the Edwards home totaling 28,200 square feet of connected space. The main house is 10,400 square feet and has two garages. The recreation building, a red, barn-like building containing 15,600 square feet, is connected to the house by a closed-in and roofed structure of varying widths and elevations that totals 2,200 square feet.

The main house is all on one level except for a 600-square-foot bedroom and bath area above the guest garage.

The recreation building contains a basketball court, a squash court, two stages, a bedroom, kitchen, bathrooms, swimming pool, a four-story tower, and a room designated “John’s Lounge.”

Edwards was the Democratic candidate for vice president in 2004 and a former N.C. senator.

Thursday afternoon, the Edwards for President press office was unable to provide information on any additional buildings planned for the estate.

Don Carrington is executive editor of Carolina Journal

Freedom, not climate, is at risk

Financial Times | June 15, 2007
Vaclav Klaus

We are living in strange times. One exceptionally warm winter is enough – irrespective of the fact that in the course of the 20th century the global temperature increased only by 0.6 per cent – for the environmentalists and their followers to suggest radical measures to do something about the weather, and to do it right now.

In the past year, Al Gore's so-called “documentary” film was shown in cinemas worldwide, Britain's – more or less Tony Blair's – Stern report was published, the fourth report of the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was put together and the Group of Eight summit announced ambitions to do something about the weather. Rational and freedom-loving people have to respond. The dictates of political correctness are strict and only one permitted truth, not for the first time in human history, is imposed on us. Everything else is denounced.

The author Michael Crichton stated it clearly: “the greatest challenge facing mankind is the challenge of distinguishing reality from fantasy, truth from propaganda”. I feel the same way, because global warming hysteria has become a prime example of the truth versus propaganda problem. It requires courage to oppose the “established” truth, although a lot of people – including top-class scientists – see the issue of climate change entirely differently. They protest against the arrogance of those who advocate the global warming hypothesis and relate it to human activities.

As someone who lived under communism for most of his life, I feel obliged to say that I see the biggest threat to freedom, democracy, the market economy and prosperity now in ambitious environmentalism, not in communism. This ideology wants to replace the free and spontaneous evolution of mankind by a sort of central (now global) planning.

The environmentalists ask for immediate political action because they do not believe in the long-term positive impact of economic growth and ignore both the technological progress that future generations will undoubtedly enjoy, and the proven fact that the higher the wealth of society, the higher is the quality of the environment. They are Malthusian pessimists.

The scientists should help us and take into consideration the political effects of their scientific opinions. They have an obligation to declare their political and value assumptions and how much they have affected their selection and interpretation of scientific evidence.

Does it make any sense to speak about warming of the Earth when we see it in the context of the evolution of our planet over hundreds of millions of years? Every child is taught at school about temperature variations, about the ice ages, about the much warmer climate in the Middle Ages. All of us have noticed that even during our life-time temperature changes occur (in both directions).

Due to advances in technology, increases in disposable wealth, the rationality of institutions and the ability of countries to organise themselves, the adaptability of human society has been radically increased. It will continue to increase and will solve any potential consequences of mild climate changes.

I agree with Professor Richard Lindzen from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, who said: “future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early 21st century's developed world went into hysterical panic over a globally averaged temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and, on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to contemplate a roll-back of the industrial age”.

The issue of global warming is more about social than natural sciences and more about man and his freedom than about tenths of a degree Celsius changes in average global temperature.

As a witness to today's worldwide debate on climate change, I suggest the following:
¦Small climate changes do not demand far-reaching restrictive measures

¦Any suppression of freedom and democracy should be avoided

¦Instead of organising people from above, let us allow everyone to live as he wants

¦Let us resist the politicisation of science and oppose the term “scientific consensus”, which is always achieved only by a loud minority, never by a silent majority

¦Instead of speaking about “the environment”, let us be attentive to it in our personal behaviour

¦Let us be humble but confident in the spontaneous evolution of human society. Let us trust its rationality and not try to slow it down or divert it in any direction

¦Let us not scare ourselves with catastrophic forecasts, or use them to defend and promote irrational interventions in human lives.

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Matt Kazee / TheTruthMovement.net | June 14, 2007

On Saturday June 9th, 2007 Matthew Kazee called in to the Alex Ansary show to discuss the Underground DARPA base in Blacksburg Virginia. For years there have been rumors that hidden away in in Blacksburg was a top secret underground DARPA base where research was done on many things including robotics, chips for humans so they can control computers with their mind, and chips for computers to control people's minds.

The rumors broke nationally from a woman by the name of Cathy O'Brien who wrote a book in 1995 called "Trance-Formation of America", in which she claimed that Bill Clinton was a partner with George Bush Sr. in a drug smuggling operation that was exposed in the Iran Contra Affair, and later proved by former D.E.A. Cele Castillo. It involved smuggling guns to the Contra's in exchange for cocaine which was air lifted by the C.I.A. in C-130 airplanes to the small town of Mena, Arkansas while Bill Clinton was Governor. O'Brien claimed that they had a plan to bring in a "new world order" and after people got tired of Republicans that Bill Clinton would be President. This was decided in 1984.

She also claims she was a victim of the M.K. Ultra Program in Blacksburg Virginia in a underground DARPA base located in "Butt Mountain". The strangest quote I read that Cathy O'Brien said was "Virginia Tech is good for two things, engineering and mind control." and that "most of the east coast M.K. Ultra Mind Control experiments happened in this DARPA facility." This was written in 1995, the same year that a plane crashed in to the White House on September 11 in an attempt to kill President Clinton.

There is only one problem with her claims-- Butt Mountain is not in Blacksburg. Internet searches seem to point to the Kimballton mine that is located inside Butt Mountain at Pearisburg, Virginia. So why did she say Blacksburg? The 7000ft deep mine is 30 minutes from Blacksburg. I set out to see if this story had any legs. I was shocked at what I found.

36.

Huron John
Sat, 06/16/07
6:36 am

.........
As Seashell has said many times, our foreign policy is being driven by Israel...

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More like the far right-wing of Revisionist Zionism in Israel.  We may just have to wait until these guys die off.  The stay in power by imposing fear on Israelis and Jews worldwide, by provoking the Palestinians and others, who strike back at the country with rockets and suicide bombers.  They have a "Gitmo" system of arresting thousands of people and keeping them in prison without charges, trials, or habeus corpus.  That's why we have Hamas and Hezbollah, not because Arabs supposed to hate Jews.

Now we have Simon Peres in power, maybe a step in the right direction.  He was minister of defense under Itzak Rabin, one of the few good leaders Israel ever had, and the first Israeli-born prime minister.

Here's the pic from the Washington Post of us at the TBA Conference when Dean was giving his talk. A little fuzzy scanned from a printed photo on the WA Post front page.

MISSIE

http://www.counterpunch.org/beattie06162007.html

I’m afraid. I’m very afraid. I fear for my children and future grandchildren. I fear for everybody’s children and future grandchildren. Because there truly are evil people in this world. George Bush has told us so.

I’m afraid. I’m afraid and I fear for my children and future grandchildren because of evil. The evil residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and the evil living at Number One Observatory Circle. These two, along with the rest of their ultraconservative administration and a complicit Congress are an axis of evil, thrusting their ultimatums with oppressively brutal footprints on countries to be conquered while telling us that foreign terrorists wish to kill us because they, the terrorists, are jealous of our freedom.

Let’s identify those who really want to remove our liberties and distort all that we hold dear. Let’s recognize that an agenda of evil has caused us to be hated throughout most of the world.

I’m afraid. I’m afraid because the evil that exists in my world owns the mainstream media, those blathering, emoting, eye-lined and eye-shadowed, mascara-lashed objects that bring us stories about Paris Hilton’s rash and rarely mention depleted uranium exposure and its effects on our troops and the people of Iraq. I’m afraid because so many of my fellow citizens seem to be more interested in the escapades of the stars and titillating stories than in what is being done in our names--cataclysmic destruction, torture, and death.

Let’s call evil by its name--American imperialism. And leadership that profits from the anguish of others.

DANIEL ROONEY 

The 28,200-square-foot Edwards home in Orange County is expected to be valued at more than $6 million.

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just three words "Hip"  "pock"  "Chrissy"

Last night on PBS Charlie Rose, Brzezsinki, Scrowcroft, and Henry Kissinger, discuss Iraq, the I/P issue and other subjects, together at a round table discussion - catch the rerun on Monday if you can

DANIEL ROONEY
Sat, 06/16/07
12:08 pm

That's the ticket...let's just smear the good guys. Edwards has made sure the home will offset any carbon emissions with solar and other energy efficient designs.

 How about posting all the stories about the Rethugs and where they live, or how Rudy made millions off 9/11 while letting firefighters die. Oh, right, the press isn't doing stories about them, just doing things to smear Edwards and Gore. And you fall right into the trap. good going.

Just what purpose is served by this? Please shorten your posts; they pollute the blog.

rapid response needed by Edwards as it is a 10,000 sq. ft. home attached to a recreational facility in a barn and counted as all house

10,000 is still a large house but not of the obscene size if it actually was as big as two barns

look at the photo

Edwards has been smeared.

Indy, that is not my are (the blue one) mine is orangy to the right of the lady in black. that lady was out to get u (the one in blue).

Lindab, the woman in black next to me? That is Melissa from PA i think. Old blogger. Dean from san diego is sitting on the floor next to the sign. Others? I don't remember who is holding the sign.

Kissinger didn't have much to say did he Fred? The other two got it right and he got it wrong.

any guesses as to who is spreading the story on Edwards house? Rove? Carville?

Howard had to put up with alot of that. As a candidate you think you don't have to dignify something with a response, but Kerry's swift boaters proved that you do need a rapid response team.

linda b .....democracy's friend indeed!!!
She will show you, as she takes lead, to help get training for you and me. A fighter for our rights, showing what activism is all about, cheering on the Governor, from the audience she gives a shout.

GOOO LINDA!

Phil, what picture on Edwards home.

Phil Specht
Sat, 06/16/07
12:51 pm

How to lie with statistics!! ;-) Next someone will calculate the cubic foot volume and there will be a story on that "obscene" house. It's amazing and discouraging how these stories like the house and the haircut bounce around forever.

I agree with you on rapid response. Edwards has responded to this repeatedly. If a Democratic opponent is behind these stories, we need to know. This is the kind of crap we don't need this time around.

Indy, you looked good in the photo. But I haven't seen a bad pic of you yet.

Linda*in*SFNM
Sat, 06/16/07
1:15 pm

Hi, Linda,

Too kind!! I am not "photo genetic" as my brother-in-law used to say!

Phil Specht

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Well, honestly, I kept falling asleep.  I'll watch it on Monday, but i did get the last 20 minutes on tape.  Kissinger seems knowledgeable but speaks in broader terms.  He was the greatest asset to Nixon, and a quintessential negotiator.

There was considerable innuendo to the fact that we cannot just pack up and leave our mess in Iraq.  That what we are doing there is not right, but if we leave it this way, it could have bad consequences.  That we need to bring in the world and regional community to fill the vacuum and help restore order as we leave in Iraq

The people who talk as if the best and only thing to do is to get out ASAP, speak about the country as if it were a stable established government and we are destablizing it..

There is no government there.  There is no longer an Iraq.  The Maliki regime is just a poor excuse for Shiites to get armed and trained by the naive USA, so they can fight Sunnis, who have been labeled "insurgents."

  I think it was Brzezinki that said something, we have a world that is a relic of colonialism, with artificial borders created by powers, and this is causing a world of Balkanization in places like the ME.

Indy I had heard the story but not the response. Club for Growth?

 Indy,

More evidence to the contrary! 

any guesses as to who is spreading the story on Edwards house? Rove? Carville?  Howard had to put up with alot of that.

===============

Don't see the comparison.  Did Howard build a house like that?  Better to have it out now than in the general campaign.  What would Rove or Carville gain by knocking out Edwards from the primary?

FRED from OR
Sat, 06/16/07
1:21 pm

Kissinger is a murderous thug once removed. His actions have resulted in the deaths of millions. No way should he be regarded as an asset to anyone. Sound strong? I can't say it strongly enough.

Indy...someone leaking stories???

From TPM Café…

Obama Campaign Circulating Negative (And Ultimately False) Story About Bill Clinton

By Greg Sargent | bio

http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/jun/15/obama_campaign_circulating_negative_story_about_bill_clinton 

Thanks for all the good memories, Linda's from VA and SFNM!

Gotta go get some yard work done. BBL.

I'll wait for a map that shows which oil company gets which oil field and lay it up against the corresponding map from Cheney's energy task force before I think the balkanization wasn't the plan all along. Kissinger is a war crimminal that ought to be rotting in a cell at the Hague. (the one they were saving for Pinochet would do)

20,000 or so of those names in marble at that sad slash are Kissinger's to claim.

this isn't the first bad advice he has given

and if this wasn't a public space I tell you what I really think of dear Henry

Kissinger is one reason why we have such troubles in the ME today. He literqlly told the Israelis that possession was 9/10 of the law and they had better get their settlements on the Occupied Territories as fast as they could. So they complied, with an unofficial US imprimatur.

He gave the Shah of Iran carte blanche insofar as US military hardware went. The Shah got prime weaponry even ahead of Israel.

Kissinger is BAD News all round.

Then the weaponry that got stalled in its tracks after the embargo in 1979 when Iran took US hostages ... ended up making its way back to Iran through Iran-Contra ... and also into Afghanistan to help out the mujaheddin.

What goes around comes around ... and thus, 9-11.

Kissinger is a traitor, no less.

Renember this picture from the overllow crowd at TBA in 2004?  I forget who took it. 

JudyforDean

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Interesting.,  I did not know that.  I am up to 1992 in Avi Shlaim's The Iron Wall  and don't remember reading anything like that.  The book is very straightforward and does not whitewash anybody and does not defend bad actions of Israel or the U.S.  Do you have a direct reference to that fact??? (not a second-hand source or opinion)

46.   I mean about Kissinger pushing settlements

Edwards is being smeared becuz he's be the hardest to beat if Gore doesn't enter IMO. Betcha Rove wants Clinton cuz oh what history she has.

I talked with several dancers last night who feel exactly the way some of us here about putzco foreign policy, AIPAC and Israel Zionists.  And it didn't start with putzco.  This messing in our ME affairs started years ago and frankly, I've had quite enuf of it.

lindab, if you get the chance, please ask Clinton or/and Obama why they're kissing AIPAC a$$.  Someone has to have the courage to begin this dialogue which is surpressed in this country. 

Re Edwards' house. Why don't the media go after the Kennedys the Rockefellers, the Bush's for their lavish life style.

 Edwards is drawing attacks because he's on the progressive side of the issues.

I think this is altogether likely, knowing what we know about the lies getting us into Iraq and the messianic WH we have.  The awful truth is that I think the American people would never dream that it was an inside job since they can't bring themselves to admit they elected an insane person and that our country is being destroyed by the cabal.  Flags would spring up and out all over the place since it's *our country,right or wrong.*

I would hope to god I'm wrong about all this. 

**********

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Former National Security Advisor and founding member of the Trilateral Commission Zbigniew Brzezinski tacitly warned a Senate Foreign Relations Committee last week that an attack on Iran could be launched following a staged provocation in Iraq or a false flag terror attack within the U.S.

Brzezinski alluded to the potential for the Bush administration to manufacture a false flag Gulf of Tonkin type incident in describing a "plausible scenario for a military collision with Iran," which would revolve around "some provocation in Iraq or a terrorist act in the US blamed on Iran, culminating in a ‘defensive’ US military action against Iran that plunges a lonely America into a spreading and deepening quagmire eventually ranging across Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan.”

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