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The PUBLIC SQUARE (open thread)

Written by: Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jul 26, 2008 6:59 PM EDT

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Saturday, 26 July 2008

Live!  It's Saturday afternoon! 

Share the news, your thoughts, and the happenings of the day...

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- Howard Dean Is First!

By Subway Serenade on Jul 26, 2008 7:45 PM EDT

Geez, I'm tired. Two performances today.

Gonna try to take a nap.

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- HBD is 1st

By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jul 26, 2008 7:47 PM EDT

thanks for the recent open threads, HQ.

 

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- Danny/Tim/Charles/Jim/All...

By Annilow on Jul 26, 2008 10:20 PM EDT

Gracias, Danke, Merci, Thank you, thank you thank you for the open threads.  

NOW...if we can just get rid of the little disclaimer "important be on the topic or go to the watercooler' at LEAST on the open threads, and preferably everywhere, there is the possibility Monica and JudyforDean might return .

But thanks anyway!!!

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- Happy zzzzz's Subway

By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jul 26, 2008 7:52 PM EDT

Hope it was as good a day as you htought it may be.

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- I'ts kinda like a milk route.

By Subway Serenade on Jul 26, 2008 8:05 PM EDT

An off day on Friday is offset by a good day on Saturday. It all balances out.

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- Good, Thankful

By Huron John on Jul 26, 2008 8:12 PM EDT

Only I wonder what's wrong with "Stephen views the news", which is about to fall off the cliff because of a lack of Recos

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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jul 26, 2008 10:14 PM EDT

nothing wrong with it at all, it's front paged :-)

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By Huron John on Jul 26, 2008 8:14 PM EDT
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By seashell on Jul 26, 2008 9:26 PM EDT

I just recommended.

Happy snoozing, subway.

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- Looks like the Watercooler dumb idea has been shit-canned

By Karen on Jul 26, 2008 10:15 PM EDT

in place of The PUBLIC SQUARE!

 

w00t! 

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By Imn2Paine on Jul 26, 2008 10:38 PM EDT

Who Loves The Sun

 

"Who loves the wind?"

"Who loves thew rain?"

"Not just anyone."


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The winds of change don't follow the will of a dominant HQ. 

Live free or die...

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- love the moon, stars, and thunderstorms too

By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jul 26, 2008 10:49 PM EDT

ah, the winds of change are in our favor ;-)

 

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- You are too hopeful, maybe?

By Imn2Paine on Jul 26, 2008 10:59 PM EDT
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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jul 27, 2008 12:50 AM EDT

Nope, don't think so.  I really believe we will find a way to have the new structure and old open discussion work in a good way. 

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By seashell on Jul 26, 2008 10:26 PM EDT

Obama will not be invited to talk with Khaled Amayreh, a veteran Palestinian journalist I first met in Hebron two decades ago. But Obama can read about current conditions on the ground in an internet column Amayreh wrote for the Cairo-based publication Al Ahram:

If you still think there are red lines that Israel has not crossed with regard to its treatment of Palestinians, don’t be too sure. In recent days and weeks, the Israeli army has been vandalising, ransacking and confiscating Palestinian civilian institutions in the West Bank’s largest towns and cities, including Ramallah, the seat of the so-called Palestinian government.

Frustrated eyewitnesses and tearful victims spoke of “unprecedented brutality” and “Gestapo-like behaviour” as Israeli occupation forces moved throughout the central and northern West Bank to destroy what was left of the Palestinian charity sector upon which thousands of impoverished Palestinian families depend for their livelihood.

Israel had been targeting orphanages and boarding schools as well as soup kitchens and sewing workshops serving orphans in the Hebron region. The campaign of terror, with many hair- raising scenes of cruelty and moral callousness, has seriously raised the level of hostility and hatred for Israel.

Obama will not read this information in his State Department briefings, nor will he read Amayrey’s column in his hometown Chicago Tribune nor in the Israeli-friendly New York Times. But I can vouch for the journalistic integrity of Khaled Amayreh. And if Obama wants further verification, I can refer him to a colleague of mine who teaches religion in a Middle Western college. This colleague spent two nights in June sleeping in a shuttered Hamas-run Hebron orphanage, one of a number of American volunteers who maintain a presence in the orphanage to prevent its destruction by Israeli occupation forces.

Jihad: Prosecuting culprits national, religious duty

Lots of interesting reading in this article.

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By Imn2Paine on Jul 26, 2008 11:00 PM EDT

Don't be so sure, love. 

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By seashell on Jul 26, 2008 10:33 PM EDT
Olmert talks about wide range "military campaign in Gaza"

 

In a speech before the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) convention in Washington earlier in June, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Israel might carry out a wide-ranging "military campaign" in Gaza.. ...More

 

So that's why they came to DC....for putzco's blessing on the continued apartheid.  Olmert and his gang really are the neo-Nazis, aren't they?  I realize that's a strong statement, and I'm referring only to Olmert and his band of murdering malicious menaces, including the boyz in the BH. 

 

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By seashell on Jul 26, 2008 10:34 PM EDT

Israel’s very own Guantanamo

 

Israeli maltreatment of Palestinian captives and political prisoners has reached unprecedented levels of brutality, according to lawyers, human rights groups and newly-released prisoners.. ...More

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By Imn2Paine on Jul 26, 2008 10:43 PM EDT

Emiliana Torrini - Sound of Silence (Simon and Garfunkel)


(tip o' the hat) http://hypem.com/track/591284


Dean split the night, and nothing;  but then, came today.

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By seashell on Jul 26, 2008 10:44 PM EDT

Israeli army gangs up on Hebron orphans amid ostensible

Khalid Amayreh
 Aren't we lucky that BO thinks of the Israel gov't as our "special friend?"  One cannot criticize either gov't w/o automatically including the other, since they are twins in foreign policy...except that our soldiers are dying in Iraq to protect Israel, among other things.This bs about protecting us is disingenuous, to put it mildly. 
The *victims* always become the *persecutors.*  Always. The third leg of the triangle in TA is the rescuer. So....in TA lingo, the Palestinians are the persecutors, the Israels are the victims and the U.S. is the rescuer.....the unholy triangle that can only lead to continued death and destruction.
In the opinion of "The Shriekette." 

 

<!--Start Article Content-->  The Israeli occupation army on Saturday, 26 April, stormed a clothes-making facility belonging to the Hebron orphanage, warning orphan employees that they would be arrested and incarcerated for six years unless they left the premises.

Eyewitnesses said soldiers intimidated and verbally abused the orphan girls in the factory and gave them 48 hours to close down the facility.

The clothes-making facility manufactures cheap but fine outfits for thousands of orphan boys and girls Israel wants to transform into delinquents for the purpose of destroying the Palestinian society.

The Israeli occupation army issued an order a few weeks ago, seizing all property and possessions belonging to the Islamic Charitable society, apparently as part of Israel's overall war on Islam in Palestine.

Earlier, on Thursday, 24 April, Palestinian leaders and Christian peace activists, as well as representatives of human rights organizations operating in the occupied Palestinian territories made an impassioned appeal to “all men and women of conscience all over the world” to help stop Israeli army plans to close down and take over several orphanages and boarding schools sheltering thousands of orphans and impoverished students. Many of the orphans’ parents had been killed by the Israeli army and paramilitary Jewish terrorists, also known as “settlers.”

The appeal was made during a press conference at the main Girl's Orphanage in downtown Hebron. The Israeli army has repeatedly raided the orphanages, boarding schools and affiliated institutions, vandalizing property, seizing food, clothes and shoes and confiscating several buses and cars.

The Israeli army accuses the Islamic Charitable Society, the largest and oldest in occupied Palestine, of teaching schoolchildren “radical ideas.”

However, the Charity lawyer Muhammed Farrah dismisses the charges as “a big canard and a blatant lie.”

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By seashell on Jul 26, 2008 10:50 PM EDT

WISDOM OF ANCIENT MAYA FOR MODERN CIVILISATION IN CRISIS
  By Leonardo Boff

WISDOM OF ANCIENT MAYA FOR MODERN CIVILISATION IN CRISIS
Leonardo Boff

JULY 2008 (IPS) - Given the unmistakeable signs that Earth cannot survive the intensified exploitation of her resources, the assault on the dignity of her children, and the exclusion and condemnation to starvation of millions of humans, it is essential that we seek inspiration in other civilisations that offer ecological wisdom, writes Leonardo Boff, a Brazilian writer, liberation theologist, and a comissioner and author of the Earth Charter.

In this article for IPS, Boff writes that the Maya believe that the universe is built of and sustained by cosmic energies and that the basic duality between creation and disintegration (we would say between chaos and cosmos) confers dynamism on this universal process. Human well-being derives from our synchronisation with this process and our profound respect for all living beings. Thus human beings feel they are part of Mother Earth and enjoy her beauty and protection. Death is not the enemy but a more profound immersion in the universe.

Whereas for us, work is essentially the production of goods and wealth, often disappointing and uncreative, for the Maya, work is helping Mother Earth, who gives us all we need to live, an activity that does not enslave people but allows them to express their abilities and shape their lives. This practical wisdom has great validity for this critical phase of our history. All that helps maintain the equilibrium of the Earth and its vitality should be valued and recognised as a form of regeneration and salvation.

 

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By Imn2Paine on Jul 26, 2008 11:07 PM EDT

Amen.  Allah be praised.  The desert flower of the morning covered on precious dew.  May she/he protect us from all evil.

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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jul 26, 2008 10:51 PM EDT

sea, I appreciate news and hearing other points of view, but this is getting to be spam.

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By Imn2Paine on Jul 26, 2008 11:02 PM EDT

Something like that.

Time to regroup Sea.  Reassess the battle.  New tactics?

 

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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jul 26, 2008 11:11 PM EDT
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By seashell on Jul 26, 2008 11:13 PM EDT

thankful, I appreciate your opinion and would like to remind you of the gazillions of happy good feely articles and opinions expressed about BO that we all lived thru and still have to tolerate.   Was that also spam?  Or is it only spam if you don't agree? 

People get very nervous about the I/P thing and there is no discussion in the CM about what's going on.  The citizens of this country are not getting the truth about what's going on either in Iraq or in Palestine.  When people do speak or write, they are considered pariahs, anti-semitic or nicely told to shut up.   Look what happened to Jimmy Carter and his book.

So I respectfully say that telling the truth about what's going on can never be spam.   

Thank you for posting this thread.  Isn't this much better than being  consigned to the wc, at the whim of those who think they need to tell us what and where to post?

So maybe we're back to being contentious at times.  We can still scroll and argue and suggest, but I'll be damned if I'll shut up and fall into line.  :-)

 

 

 

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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jul 26, 2008 11:24 PM EDT

sea, it sin't personal.  I commented, along with many others on the barrage of BO articles.  Not asking you to shut up, just have a heart.  Agreed, presenting other perspectives isn't spam, but IMO umpteen repetitive articles is.  Perhaps one or two posts w/ a couple/three links and 1-2 sentences.  IMO, it would reach more of us in the long run by virtue of being less likely to be scrolled.  Just a suggestion.

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By seashell on Jul 26, 2008 11:15 PM EDT

And so with my pro-Palestinian blitz, I'll wish you all a fond g/nite.

 

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By Imn2Paine on Jul 26, 2008 11:19 PM EDT

Remember the Toltec.

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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jul 26, 2008 11:28 PM EDT

pre-Columbian or Castanada?  Yeah, I know the answer :-)

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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jul 26, 2008 11:29 PM EDT

Nite sea, sweet ones.

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By Imn2Paine on Jul 26, 2008 11:31 PM EDT

Bazaar (HAHA) is my interest.

Get your own pol, troll.


http://hypem.com/track/548848/Frank+Zappa+%26+The+Mothers-The+Mud+Shark

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By Imn2Paine on Jul 26, 2008 11:32 PM EDT

Nothing directly correlates! 

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By Imn2Paine on Jul 26, 2008 11:40 PM EDT

George Bush's tribute to Frank Zappa!

 

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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jul 27, 2008 12:30 AM EDT
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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jul 26, 2008 11:37 PM EDT

a bizarre cat to be sure

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I missed the airing of the Constitutional Limits of Executive Powers hearing, but here's a link to the CSpan Library summary

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=280000-1

 

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By Imn2Paine on Jul 26, 2008 11:48 PM EDT

Yes, yes.  Yes!

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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jul 26, 2008 11:52 PM EDT

I love that the signing statements are included.  Wish the hearings were scheduled to air again, live and one showing isn't enough.

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By Imn2Paine on Jul 27, 2008 12:01 AM EDT

amazing that the two of us are here.  noone else?

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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jul 27, 2008 12:21 AM EDT

lol, ya never know when someone will jump in. 

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By seashell on Jul 27, 2008 12:06 AM EDT

And yes, that was a bit much.  It's so distressing and I feel so powerless to stop the killing.  And I get  angry with gov'ts, like ours, that continue to slaughter and harass and intimidate innocent people ..  and most of us are the recipients of these monstrous policies.

Everyone should just go and learn tango.  :-)   Mandatory tango for all heads of state and then make them dance with one another...men with men...women with women, mix it all up.  Can't blame and dance well at the same time cuz the dance changes your life.

Four hours of dancing equals four hours of intense meditation...I was told the other night that I dance inside the music.  And I danced with someone who played my body like a violin during the violin solos.....we were literally dancing the score...and he gave me the power to dance the bandoneon during Pugliese - Anni, I think you know  Pugliese, right?  When his music comes on, the passion on the dance floor is palpable, organic..you can almost *see* the souls dancing.

And then, the drive home in taxi at 4 AM thru the winding cobblestones streets with those little orange steet lamps reminiscent of colonial Spain or Mexico....most of Buenos Aires sleeping...barely any traffic...just the strains in my head of the music and the feel of the famous Latin *abrazo*...the embrace of the man....this is what it feels like to be totally at One.

This is ectasy; this is rapture...not every dance nor with every man...all it takes is one a night.

This trip is taking my breath away.

 

 

 

 

 

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By Imn2Paine on Jul 27, 2008 12:16 AM EDT

..just the strains in my head of the music and the feel of the famous Latin *abrazo*...the embrace of the man....this is what it feels like to be totally at One.

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By Annilow on Jul 27, 2008 12:19 AM EDT

Maybe all it takes is 'one man'  no?  Maybe you are falling in 'luv' :~)

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By Imn2Paine on Jul 27, 2008 12:23 AM EDT

Well, I intend no harm;-)

If that be love?

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By Subway Serenade on Jul 27, 2008 4:15 AM EDT

My inner lesbian just can't imagine me dancing the tango with a man.

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By Annilow on Jul 27, 2008 11:24 AM EDT

I don't have Seashell's knowledge, but seems like I heard or read somewhere that tango began (before the brothels) as a dance btw two men, perhaps as a stylized dance based on the bullfight, or the gaucho and the cow.

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By Imn2Paine on Jul 27, 2008 12:12 AM EDT

Wow! All these officials of the current Administration...come to the Judiciary Committee, but still the stonewall!

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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jul 27, 2008 12:16 AM EDT

yep, they're masterful at that, learned much with the I/C and Watergate hearings.  Eventually someone will be held accountable and the dominos will begin falling... one can hope. 

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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jul 27, 2008 12:27 AM EDT
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By Imn2Paine on Jul 27, 2008 12:29 AM EDT

Phil from Iowa, I have no use for Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa)

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By Phil Specht on Jul 27, 2008 9:07 AM EDT

I would be too ashamed to come here if he were my Rep.

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By Annilow on Jul 27, 2008 12:32 AM EDT

Goodnight again gang...trying again for sleep :~)

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By Imn2Paine on Jul 27, 2008 12:34 AM EDT

sleep, well.  Dream, too! 

Rejuvenate.

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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jul 27, 2008 12:36 AM EDT

nite anni ~ peaceful rest and sweet dreams.

Paine, dear bud, I gotta do some snoozin' too.  Good to 'see' ya!

 

Nite & ♥'s to all

Kindness is free!

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By Imn2Paine on Jul 27, 2008 12:43 AM EDT

Let it be Monday, and the corporate Media will have told us of the falseness of the trend toward Barack Obama has our next POTUS.

And, if you watch,  the Representatives on the conservative/fascist side of the House slander the People.

What is credible?

Change?

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By Imn2Paine on Jul 27, 2008 12:47 AM EDT

Night Anni and Thankful. I shall join you,,,

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By Subway Serenade on Jul 27, 2008 1:38 AM EDT

and I missed the whole thread. Guess it's time for bed. Good Night all.

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- Fires near Mariposa

By Denise in San Mateo County on Jul 27, 2008 2:05 AM EDT

Hope you and your husband are OK Susan - I know you're nearby and not right there, but it's close enough. Take care out there.

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- THE MYTH OF A TOSS-UP ELECTION

By * cChalfonte* on Jul 27, 2008 1:18 PM EDT

 

The McC campaign desperately tries to spin a close election.....the facts don't support that conclusion:

"Too close to call." "Within the margin of error." "A statistical dead heat." If you've been following news coverage of the 2008 presidential election, you're probably familiar with these phrases. Media commentary on the presidential horserace, reflecting the results of a series of new national polls, has strained to make a case for a hotly contested election that is essentially up for grabs.

Signs of Barack Obama's weaknesses allegedly abound. The huge generic Democratic Party advantage is not reflected in the McCain-Obama pairings in national polls. Why, according to the constant refrain, hasn't Obama put this election away? A large number of Clinton supporters in the primaries refuse to commit to Obama. White working class and senior voters tilt decidedly to McCain. Racial resentment limits Obama's support among these two critical voting blocs. Enthusiasm among young voters and African-Americans, two groups strongly attracted to Obama, is waning. Blah, blah, blah.

 

While no election outcome is guaranteed and McCain's prospects could improve over the next three and a half months, virtually all of the evidence that we have reviewed--historical patterns, structural features of this election cycle, and national and state polls conducted over the last several months--point to a comfortable Obama/Democratic party victory in November. Trumpeting this race as a toss-up, almost certain to produce another nail-biter finish, distorts the evidence and does a disservice to readers and viewers who rely upon such punditry. Again, maybe conditions will change in McCain's favor, and if they do, they should also be accurately described by the media. But current data do not justify calling this election a toss-up.

Consider the following.

Except for a few days when the Gallup and Rasmussen tracking polls showed a tie, Barack Obama has led John McCain in every national poll in the past two months. Obama's average margin has consistently been in the 4-6 point range during this time. By contrast, the polls in 2000 and 2004 showed much more variation over time. State polling results have also consistently given Obama the advantage.

According to realclearpolitics.com, Obama is currently leading in 26 states and the District of Columbia with a total of 322 electoral votes; McCain is currently leading in 24 states with a total of 216 electoral votes. Obama is leading in every state carried by John Kerry in 2004 along with six states carried by George Bush: Iowa, New Mexico, Ohio, Indiana, Nevada and Colorado. A seventh Bush state, Virginia, is tied.

Obama is leading in 11 of the 12 swing states that were decided by a margin of five points or less in 2004 including five of the six that were carried by George Bush. And while Obama has a comfortable lead in every state that John Kerry won by a margin of more than five points in 2004, McCain is in a difficult battle in a number of states that Bush carried by a margin of more than five points including such solidly red states as Indiana, Montana, North Dakota, Virginia, and North Carolina.

And remember these June and July polls may well understate Obama's eventual margin. Ronald Reagan did not capitalize on the huge structural advantage Republicans enjoyed in 1980 until after the party conventions and presidential debate. It took a while and a sufficient level of comfort with the challenger for anti-Carter votes to translate into support for Reagan. If Obama's performance over the last eighteen months is any guide, a similar pattern could unfold in 2008.

Aside from the horserace results, there is evidence of a growing Democratic party advantage in the electorate. A recent analysis by Rhodes Cook of voter registration data in 29 states and the District of Columbia that permit registration by party shows that since November of 2004, Democratic registration has increased by almost 700,000 while Republican registration has declined by almost one million.

Democrats now enjoy a substantial lead over Republicans in voter identification. According to the Gallup Poll, the two parties have gone from near parity four years ago to a 12 point Democratic advantage in the first half of 2008. And polling data continue to show that Democrats are more satisfied with their party's nominee than Republicans voters and more highly motivated to vote. While Republicans normally benefit from higher turnout among their supporters, that may not be the case this year.

-- By Alan Abramowitz, Thomas E. Mann, and Larry J. Sabato, July 24, 2008

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- Howdy cC!

By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jul 27, 2008 6:52 PM EDT

So sorry to have missed you.

 

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