Howard Dean is first and foremost here and elsewhere.

We knew Bush could do it, he made it into the teens.

American Research Group, 2/19/08,

Overall, 19%
Economy, 14%

A post I put up at HEP about Nelson and Levin shenanigans.

http://howardempowered.blogspot.com/2008/02/nelson-and-levin-say-no-revotes-in.html

And more from Florida on another topic, evolution.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1843

Thousands of Prairie View Students March 7.3 Miles To Vote

Early voting starts today in Texas.  In Waller County, a primarily rural county about 60 miles outside Houston, the county made the decision to offer only one early voting location:  at the County Courthouse in Hempstead, TX, the county seat.

Prairie View A&M students organized to protest the decision, because they felt it hindered their ability to vote.  For background, Prairie View A&M is one of Texas' historically Black universities.  It has a very different demographic feel than the rest of the county.  There has been a long history of dispute over what the students feel is disenfranchisement.  There was a lot of outrage in 2006, when students felt they were unfairly denied the right to vote when their registrations somehow did not get processed.

w00t!!

Nice report from San Diego :)

Sorry, here is the link the Prairie View story.

http://www.burntorangereport.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=5040

The media is trying to resurrect Clinton to even the score between Clinton and Obama for their own bottom line purposes. The longer the contest goes, the more ad money they get. Ad money, especially to television, is like department store revenues during the Christmas rush.

Chris Matthews embarrassed himself last night while embarrassing a congressman who supports Obama. Matthews asked for a "list" of Obama's accomplishments while in the two senates. Of course the congressman didn't have a list handy, who would, but Matthews became obnoxious and loud by telling this man he "must" answer the question, he is on national television.

Right next to the congressman sat Stephanie Tubbs, a Clinton supporter. If Matthews had asked her the same question about Clinton, she wouldn't have an answer either. The facts there are that she didn't accomplish anything as first lady, and nothing worth noting in her seven years in the senate. In fact, most of her noteworthy votes were on the wrong side of the issue.

So the question of Clinton's experience never gets asked anywhere. IMO that's because her resume of experience is dotted with negatives and everyone is afraid to ask the questions of her.

Give me the beef. What has Clinton done on the positive side that gives her claim to experience any crediblity? This question should be asked in the next debate. I hope I will have a chance to send it in for inclusion in the debate questions. Join me in doing so if you wish, the more the better.

5.  there was mention in one story that previously there were 6 locations.  Now there's one location with two machines and because the feds expressed concern they've agreed to provide three more on two days in the middle of the primary process on the 22 and 23.

12:24 PM EST

Go Prarie A & M student voters !

Shades of Howard Dean::

From NBC's Abby Livingston
Oh snap! Who needs a Rottweiler when you’ve got surrogates?

Tom Buffenbarger president of the machinists' union (International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers) was the the latest in a string of Clinton junkyard dogs unleashed upon Obama. Prior to Hillary Clinton’s speech last night in Youngstown, Ohio, Buffenbarger delivered nothing short of an Obama diatribe.

While campaign introductions typically sing the praises of the upcoming candidate, Buffenbarger's speech barely mentioned Clinton until the conclusion. It was all about Obama, and it was laced with venom and ad hominems. 

Buffenbarger called Obama a “thespian,” and he sarcastically referred to the junior senator from Illinois as a “wunderkind.” He compared Obama to “Janus, the two-faced Roman god of ancient times.” And he pleaded with the crowd to boo Obama’s labor record.

Early in his speech, Buffenbarger asked, “So now we have a decision to make. Will we rely on the Harvard Law Review editor? The silver-tongued orator from Kansas, Hawaii and Illinois? The man in love with the microphone?”

Taking off the gloves, he said, “Barack Obama is no Muhammad Ali. He took a walk every time there was a tough vote in the Illinois State Senate. He took a walk more than a 130 times. That's what a shadow boxer does. All the right moves. All the right combinations. All the right footwork. But he never steps into the ring.”

But it was Obama supporters for whom Buffenbarger saved his most vitriolic contempt, and he proved that the Democratic Party’s coalition is nothing if not fragile. Channeling Howard Beale from the movie "Network," he yelled into the microphone, “Give me a break! I've got news for all the latte-drinking, Prius- driving, Birkenstock-wearing, trust fund babies crowding in to hear him speak! This guy won't last a round against the Republican attack machine. He's a poet, not a fighter.”

With all this trash talk, who needs a Thrilla in Manilla?

12:25 PM EST

http://www.indyweek.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A182756

John Edwards may have yet to give his official endorsement to either of the Democratic presidential hopefuls, but his prominent local supporters—and their wallets—are lining up behind U.S. Sen. Barack Obama in his bid to secure the nomination.

This week, Triangle supporters who commit to raising at least $10,000 for Obama will meet with Obama's campaign manager David Plouffe at a lunch organized by Tim Toben, Edwards' former environmental adviser and a major Edwards fundraiser. Toben, of Chapel Hill, became a convert to the Obama camp after a two-day trip to the Illinois senator's Chicago headquarters earlier this month, at the campaign's invitation.

"It just became clear to me that it's no accident that this candidate is doing so well," says Toben. "He clearly is a new force on the scene, but like a lot of great CEOs, he has hired very smart people to run his organization."

The Feb. 21 event will be hosted by the Raleigh law firm Kirby & Holt, where Edwards' former law partner and close friend from law school, David Kirby, is an attorney.

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Prominent civil rights lawyer Adam Stein, who has supported Edwards since his first run for the U.S. Senate in 1998, is also supporting Obama.

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Chapel Hillians Jim Protzman and his wife Jane Brown, also former Edwards supporters and donors, have offered to host an Obama fundraiser.

"When I start thinking about all the local races, I start to try to calculate what's the best shot for down ticket," says Protzman, a liberal blogger. "I feel like an Obama candidacy in a general election will have the effect of increasing Democratic Party turnout—traditional as well as new voters—and probably won't crank up the rabid right the way a Hillary candidacy would."

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(from prev. thread)
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Tom Bearse
Wed, 02/20/08

John wrote "I still have reservations about the man's substance, but if [Obama] picks the right people, things could work out well."

To me, it's the promise he represents. Cynical people enjoy discounting the value of hope, but compared to the past 8 hideous years of abject hopelessness, I find it to be a bracing alternative.

No Democratic president has been, or ever will be perfect, but I like to think just how much potential for things to improve in this country there could be with an Obama administration.
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This is multiple times failed self-confinement “theory� that should not be repeated again!

Pragmatic people (some may call them “cynical�) are working hard to discount the value of hope ONLY. They understand that the comparison of the “past 8 hideous years� to almost anything else can hardly yield any advantages to those “hideous years�. And that is EXACTLY the major danger in such kind of comparisons.

There were already very many times in American history (from Roosevelt to Kennedy and Carter, etc.) when “bracing alternative� of a “potential for things to improve in this country� were over time slowly diminished only to failed finally then.
Even today attempts continue (although they are seems failing) to qualify Mr. Clinton presidency as “successful and progressive�. Of course it is true...comparing to FOLLOWING “8 hideous years�.

Pragmatic people understand that because “No Democratic president has been, or ever will be perfect�, to COUNT and to EXPECT that the next President WOULD never be able to bring to this country FOLLOWING “8 hideous years� (or even worse) AGAIN would be simply unrealistic.

The recipe against such a danger is the only one and it is not a Presidential power, it is “your� power, People’s power.

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DANIEL ROONEY
Wed, 02/20/08

Reply to this

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Sitka
Wed, 02/20/08

Reply to this

Bottled Water Latest Target Of Eco-Mentalists

It doesn't take much to jerk ROONEY's knee.
no sitka it dont just sick and tired of all the progranda lies poring out of the mouth of the beast. they want to save the plant hell they cant do anything right, its all about money and power.and we have to pay for it. somebody tell me the last time they did something good for mankind name one please?

Deputy tasers high school student against direct orders

David Edwards and Adam Doster
Raw Story
February 19, 2008

Outside a Maryland high school gym last Wednesday, sophomore Brandon Bennett got into a small altercation with a fellow student. It was after a basketball game and tempers were high, but the the two were separated by officials and students without much problem. Only then did things get really violent.

According to Julius Bennett, the student’s father, Deputy Anthony Lenzi fired a Taser at his son after being told twice by a senior officer it was not necessary.

“He left two puncture wounds just above his heart in his chest,” says Bennett. “And [Brandon] said to me that he was in quite a bit of pain because he could feel electric shocks going throughout his whole body.”

The father says he has written proof Sgt. Mathew Kempel twice ordered Lenzi to holster the weapon, but Lenzi fired anyway, hitting the teen in the chest.

“Brandon did absolutely nothing wrong,” says Bennett, “and there was no reason to use that type of force on my son.”

The Queen Anne’s County Sheriff’s Office says Lenzi has been reassigned to internal duties while authorities investigate the allegations. Bennett is hoping fair punishment is given.

“I will not be satisfied until I know that Deputy Lenzi will be in a position to never to this to anyone else’s child ever again.”

This video is from CNN.com, broadcast February 19, 2008.

thanks s m for the Prairie View story. I do hope they get all the machines they need during this important primary. Always seems the chips are stacked against those candidates who are the best.

thanks linda b for the Tom Buffenbarger story. He must think his name is Bill C. ranting and raving. It will, of course, backfire as all attack ads do.

Bamboozling the American Electorate Again

Rosemary Regello
The City Edition
February 19, 2008
http://www.infowars.com/?p=348
Evidence of a covert campaign to undermine the presidential primaries is rife, so it’s curious that the Democractic Party and even some within the G.O.P. have ignored the actual elephant in the room this year. That would be Karl Rove. After rigging two previous presidential elections, this master of deceit would have us believe that he’s gone off to sit in a corner and write op-eds.

Not so. According to an article in Time Magazine, Republican party activists have been organized by the G.O.P. to throw their weight behind Barack Obama, the democratic rival of frontrunner Hillary Clinton. Early in Obama’s campaign, top Republican fundraisers flushed his coffers with cash, something the deep pockets hadn’t done for any candidate in their own party. With receipts topping $100 million in 2007, the first-term Illinois senator broke the record for contributions. It was a remarkable feat, considering that most Americans had not even heard of him before 2005.

I plan on six layers of clothing tonight watching for northern lights during the lunar eclipse, because the wind chill will be around twenty below, but this is a once in a lifetime chance.

For metathread fans, I just wanted to report that I was reading a recommended diary at myDD by a blogger called theblaz, who was complaining that editor Jerome Armstrong was censoring the site by removing a diary by Kid Oakland of dKos fame for breaking blog rules about personal attacks.

According to theblaz, the diary had been censored for calling out the accuracy of a blog article by Jerome about campaign spending by Obama in Florida, which K.O. apparently looked into and reported on here. A contributor, Todd Beeton, came on to comment that K.O.'s diary had not been censored in the sense of being removed, but only removed from the Recommended Diaries list for the blog rule infraction. 

While I was reading the somewhat heated comment discussion, Jerome came on with a comment saying he was yanking the theblaz's recommended diary from the Recommended Diary list for violating blog rules.  I went to the front page and theblaz's diary was gone!  Nothing was left behind but the usual long train of anti-Obama diaries commonly found there. 

Amazingly, the diarist had been mentioning all along his or her comments that the diary would probably be censored like the one that was the subject of the diary.  I admit I was startled to watch this occur before my eyes. I've never had a live experience of such an Orwellian inflected incident before.

Boycott Amtrak

Amtrak passengers will be subject to random bag searches and bomb- (and presumably drug-) sniffing dogs, with government thugs carrying automatic weapons patrolling the trains.
Boycott Amtrak

J.H. Huebert
LRC Blog
February 18, 2008

In the months and years just after September 11, 2001, I loved taking the overnight Amtrak train from Chicago, where I was in law school, back home to Youngstown, Ohio.

Sure, Amtrak is a socialist enterprise that should be abolished immediately, but at least it had none of the security hassles associated with air travel: no bag screenings, no pat-downs, no confiscated bottles. In fact, I don’t even recall having to give anything other than my ticket to board.

Well, so much for that. Now Amtrak passengers will be subject to random bag searches and bomb- (and presumably drug-) sniffing dogs, with government thugs carrying automatic weapons patrolling the trains.

No doubt this will do wonders for Amtrak’s already-stellar business. I’ll just have to put more miles on my polluting car.

can i see your papers! welcome to nazi germany hope you like the camps! it will be a gas!!!!

can i see your papers!

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part of the Republicans original anti-immigrant bill, senselessbrenners jail a priest

It wasn't easy, but I found thblaz's diary from myDD, described above, here.

The last two comments by Jerome Armstrong are "I see another diary that breaks the guidelines here. Have you read them?" and "This diary has been removed from the rec list, and the user banned, for repeatedly breaking the guidelines here on MyDD."  I swear it.

You don't often encounter such irony immunity, combined with such excess effrontery.

Paying Insurgents Not to Fight
Paul Craig Roberts
Information Clearing House
February 19, 2008

It is impossible to keep up with all the Bush regime’s lies. There are simply too many. Among the recent crop, one of the biggest is that the “surge” is working.

Launched last year, the “surge” was the extra 20,000-30,000 U.S. troops sent to Iraq. These few extra troops, Americans were told, would finally supply the necessary forces to pacify Iraq.

This claim never made any sense. The extra troops didn’t raise the total number of U.S. soldiers to more than one-third the number every expert has said is necessary in order to successfully occupy Iraq.

The real purpose of the “surge” was to hide another deception. The Bush regime is paying Sunni insurgents $800,000 a day not to attack U.S. forces. That’s right, 80,000 members of an “Awakening group,” the “Sons of Iraq,” a newly formed “U.S.-allied security force” consisting of Sunni insurgents, are being paid $10 a day each not to attack U.S. troops. Allegedly, the Sons of Iraq are now at work fighting al-Qaeda.

This is a much cheaper way to fight a war. We can only wonder why Bush didn’t figure it out sooner.

The “surge” was also timed to take account of the near completion of neighborhood cleansing. Most of the violence in Iraq during the past five years has resulted from Sunnis and Shi’ites driving each other out of mixed neighborhoods. Had the two groups been capable of uniting against the U.S. troops, the U.S. would have been driven out of Iraq long ago. Instead, the Iraqis slaughtered each other and fought the Americans in their spare time.

In other words, the “surge” has had nothing to do with any decline in violence.

With the Sunni insurgents now on Uncle Sam’s payroll, with neighborhoods segregated, and with Sadr’s militia standing down, it is unclear who is still responsible for ongoing violence other than U.S. troops themselves. Somebody must still be fighting, however, because the U.S. is still conducting air strikes and is still unable to tell friend from foe.

On Feb. 16, the Los Angeles Times reported that a U.S. air strike managed to kill nine Iraqi civilians and three Sons of Iraq.

The Sunnis are abandoning their posts in protest, demanding an end to “errant” U.S. air strikes. Obviously, the Sunnis see an opportunity to increase their daily pay for not attacking Americans. Soon they will have consultants advising them how much they can demand in bribes before it pays the Americans to begin fighting the war under the old terms. If Sunnis are smart, they will split the gains. Currently, the Sunnis are getting shafted. They are only collecting $800,000 of the $275,000,000 it costs the U.S. to fight the war for one day. That’s only about three-tenths of one percent, too much of a one-sided deal for the Americans.

If the Sunnis negotiate their cut to between one-quarter and one-half of the daily cost to the U.S. of the war, the Sunnis won’t need to share in the oil revenues, thus helping the three factions to get back together as a country. Even 20 percent of the daily cost of the war would be a good deal for the Sunnis. A long-term contract in this range would be expensive for Uncle Sam, but a great deal cheaper than John McCain’s commitment to a 100-year Iraqi war.

If Bush’s war turns out to be as big a boon for the Sunnis as it has for Tony Blair, we might have a modern-day version of The Mouse That Roared – a movie about an impoverished country that attacked the U.S. in order to be defeated and receive foreign aid – only this time the money comes as a payoff for not fighting the occupiers.

As the world now knows, Blair’s “dodgy dossier” about the threat allegedly posed by Iraq was a contrivance that allowed Blair to put British troops at the service of Bush’s aggression in the Middle East. Now that Blair is out of his prime minister job, he has been rewarded with millions of dollars in sinecures from financial firms such as JP Morgan and millions more in speaking engagements. As part of the payoff, the Bush Republicans have even put Mrs. Blair on the lucrative lecture circuit.

Ask yourself, do you really think Blair knows enough high finance to be of any value as an adviser to JP Morgan, or enough about climate change to advise Zurich Financial on the subject? Do you really believe that after hearing all the vacuous speeches Blair has delivered in those many years in office anyone now wants to pay him huge fees to hear him give a speech? Even when it was free, people were sick of it.

Blair is simply collecting his payoff for selling out his country and sending British troops to die for American hegemony.

The Sunnis seem inclined to do the same thing if Bush will pay them enough.

mad cow disease

just got to zero here

wOOt!!! heat wave

Bloomberg alleging fraud in Obama's undervote. An ally in Bloomberg?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0...

Thank you so much Phil for your generous contribution to "The blog for America's Repair Fund" today!

Today is my 52nd birthday. So I would like invite all of the bfa folkies to make a contribution to OUR community blog's repair fund HERE: http://www.actblue.com/page/bfarepair

Thanks again Phil. And Thank YOU puddle for re-posting the ask. Wonderful idea!

I was sick yesterday, so missed this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlt4cP7R_sY 

Happy Birthday Susan.

susan, happy birthday to you kiddo.

Great night for Obama!

Clinton 527 to the rescue?

20 Feb 2008 08:20 am

Allies of Hillary Clinton plan an expensive, stealth campaign to buttress her standing in the must-win states of Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania.

They're canvassing Clinton donors for pledges of up to $100,000 in the hope of raising at least $10M by the end of next week. The money will be placed in the account of a political committee organized under section 527 of the tax code.

Judge Kills Wikileaks in One Fell Swoop

Dan Goodin
The Register
February 18, 2008

The US arm of Wikileaks, a website that makes it easy for whistleblowers to leak documents, has been cut off after hosting evidence that claimed a bank located in the Cayman Islands engaged in money laundering and tax evasion.

Dynadot, the US-based company that hosted Wikileaks’ main site, not only severed wikileaks.org from the net; it also agreed to lock the domain name so it can’t be transferred to another provider. A federal judge in San Francisco signed off on the agreement on Friday (15 Feb).

The agreement came in a lawsuit brought by bank Julius Baer, the parent company of the accused Cayman bank. After trying unsuccessfully to get Wikileaks to remove the documents, Swiss-based Julius Baer went after Dynadot, which according to this copy of the court order, agreed to roll over in exchange for the suit against it being dismissed. Dynadot also agreed to turn over records related to Wikileaks, including "IP addresses and associated data used by any person, other than Dynadot, who accessed the account for the domain name".

Happy Birthday Susan Rowe!

Great night for Obama!

Clinton 527 to the rescue?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~talk about throwing good money after bad

1:48 PM EST

Hillary going negative did not pay off for her last night in Wisconsin:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/20/uselections2008.usa1?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront

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The Clinton campaign also appears to have miscalculated with a last-minute burst of negative advertisements in Wisconsin. The Clinton campaign had accused Obama of plagiarising his speeches from the Democratic governor of Massachusetts, Deval Patrick. But the attacks appeared to have alienated undecideds, who turned towards Obama.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sMOLf02Y...://www.infowars.com/?p=346Another Police Abuse

2:15 PM EST

the Obama campaign is MOOving into Dean country --

Go Vermont !:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/stateupdates/gGCPvp

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linda b
Wed, 02/20/08

It occurred to me while reading the blog that the Machinists Union guy who introduced Hillary with the negative Obama stuff might be the reason Obama decided to start his speech early and take away her national airtime -- I would have to call that smart hardball -- but we'll prolly never know the reason.

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It also occurred to me while reading the blog that I didn't like the 'sound' of that article Seashell and Daniel linked on a previous thread - something about national infrastructure reinvestment fund. I will have to investigate. I think the infrastructure needs investing -- sounds more like WPA than Fascism to me but I also didn't really read the whole thing.

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My little community college had to close for a number of hours yesterday due to a reported gunman sighted on campus -- copycat? Not my campus and I wasn't at work anyway. No one hurt.

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While doing some school work I encountered a funny website. If bored, try the link for some fun reading.
http://www.det.wa.edu.au/education/cmis/...

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Phil -- enjoy your Northern Lights -- can you take pix?

PS

HAPPY BIRTHDAY SUSAN

also

19% Jeez!!

PPS

Great pix of Howard w/ the San Diego group.

2:26 PM EST

Happy B'day Susan (you Pisces -- if anyone gives ya a hard time today, tell them to "go fish").

A big thumbs up (in Siskel and Ebert talk) to the students at Prairie View.

When I was trying to be an entrepeneur in Houston, I was working with the Engineering Department at Prairie View on a payload to fly on the space shuttle.  It never flew (no funding), but I was very impressed by the students and professors I met there.

I was also impressed by a little local restaurant in a town about half way between the college and Houston, where we stopped for dinner one night.  The menu listed a "small" and a "large" chicken fried steak.  I asked what the difference was.  The waitress said the small was about the size of the full sized dinner plate in front of me.  "How big is the large," I asked?  "It's two of them"

I had the small. 

Apparently there are folks on this blog that would prefer that Daniel and I go elsewhere.  Daniel even rated being told that in Spanish. LOL

1.  Why these people don't just scroll is incomprehensible to me.

2.  Daniel brings some good stuff over - some I don't agree with but so what?  Do we have free speech here or is this a fascist blog?

3.  We are quickly becoming fascist and all the duckies are lined up that way.  Most of you agreed, but now along comes BO and OMG there's hope.  Even with a democratic congress, the war machine grinds on and the MIC grows.  I haven't heard BO or anyone else say that it's time for an end to all war...his speech last night was glowing about military might and safety for all.

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And then Monica writes:

"It is so neat that everyone is getting to have a part in the election process."

Scuse me, Monica, OR won't likely get the chance.  I won't have a vote that counts.  How do you think that makes me feel?   Damn right I'm cynical about politics and politicians and this primary season is a great example of how easy it is to disenfranchise people. 

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John wrote "I still have reservations about the man's substance, but if [Obama] picks the right people, things could work out well."

John, that IF is a mighty big word.  What IF he chooses "Sominex Woman?"  LOL  Power corrupts and we all know that.  Look at the people DFA has supported who have turned on us.  

That said, either one would be better than McC.  

I'm still not supporting either candidate, but I'm predicting Obama wins Texas by about five points, ending Hillary's run.  The stars are aligning (or maybe just the sun, the moon and the Earth.)

seashell

what is the first day you can vote in Oregon?

and if your vote does matter it will really matter, don't give up yet, you might get to decide the nomination

2:49 PM EST

ask the drummer:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/clintons-new-527-will-ba_b_87615.html

RJ Eskow

Posted February 20, 2008 | 02:07 PM (EST)

Yesterday the string of defeats continued, and today we learn that Clinton's campaign is launching a "stealth 527." You remember those -- Swift Boat attacks and all? It isn't likely to work.

Back in my musician days we had a drummer who hardly ever spoke. He just sat on his stool at rehearsals, a cigarette in his lips, and played his instrument. But one day when we were talking about why some groups made it big and others didn't, he looked up and said:

"People don't let you into their lives unless you create a world they want to inhabit, one that's more exciting and attractive than their own."

He was right, and his observation holds for politicians, too -- especially presidential candidates.

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The Clinton team, whose greatest strength was Bill's (aka "Elvis's") rock and roll sensibility, still doesn't get it. This time around their theme seems to be "recess is over." It's not working, and yet they show no inclination to change.

It didn't have to be that way. Hillary could have spoken of her dreams and aspirations throughout this campaign. Bill could have used his rhetorical skills to move people, rather than to take ineffective and counterproductive cheap shots. The campaign as a whole could have embraced and usurped the themes hope and idealism -- or at least tried -- rather than mocking and deriding the idea that a new generation could be stirred and uplifted.

The old crop of Democratic consultants she has used has been a disaster for Sen. Clinton. Their advice -- don't back down on your war vote, stay on the attack -- have only added to the voters' impression that her "world" is a dark and negative place.

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The fact is, Clinton's been using "the Bush strategy" for some time, whether it's by going needlessly negative or by raising the specter of terrorist attack should her opponent win. And here's the problem: It reminds voters of Bush. And voters, especially Democratic voters, don't like Bush.

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 Damn right I'm cynical about politics and politicians and this primary season is a great example of how easy it is to disenfranchise people

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nobody forced Oregon to wait past Feb. 5th seashell, but one can still see Oregon as being the state that takes Florida and Michigan Clinton delegates in or out of play before the convention, and that is as important as any other role a state might play

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seashell :-)
careful there sea,what are you doing throwing a fox into the hen house? lol the feathers will fly! once you disagree you are seen as the enemy branded for life, or just a fool or an idiot.

3:11 PM EST

fyi - new Front thread

somebody tell me the last time they did something good for mankind name one please?

Environmental leaders hopefully ignore fools like ROONEY who can't comprehend the amout of oil and energy is wasted to make needless plastics and the amount of landfill and air pollution it generates. That is doing more good for humanity than knee-jerk rightwing hatred of all that improves the world.