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Palin on the VP

Written by: DFA Staff on Aug 29, 2008 3:00 PM EDT

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- So what do you think...

By rich^kolker on Aug 29, 2008 3:14 PM EDT

...the VP does other than inquire daily on the health of the President? This kind of cheap shot insults the intelligence of anybody reading it, and is (or at least should be) below the standards of DFA. Howard Dean taught us better than this.

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- Save it for...

By Sitka on Aug 29, 2008 3:31 PM EDT
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- Cheap Shot Insult

By Tom Bearse on Aug 29, 2008 4:01 PM EDT

Find out from Al Gore if all a vice president does is see how healthy the president is.

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- Misuse Of Official Position

By raehart on Aug 29, 2008 3:18 PM EDT

Palin is being investigated for misuse of her office.  Not only did she use her influence to have someone fired, she also used it to fill his position.

Maybe the guy deserved to be fired, but it should have been done legally.

She sounds Bushesque  to me.  Do everything in secret and hope no one finds out.

Copy of complaint

http://community.adn.com/sites/community.adn.com/files/McLeod%20Ethics%20Complaint1.pdf

Also her ties with Ted Stevens have miraculously disappeared from her website.

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By * rdorgan on Aug 29, 2008 3:22 PM EDT

raehart -

Thanks for keeping us alert to the illegal goings on of Ted Stevens and Sara Palin.

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- Howard is first

By * rdorgan on Aug 29, 2008 3:18 PM EDT
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- a post from a woman Hillary supporter blogging on Obama '08 blog ...

By * rdorgan on Aug 29, 2008 3:18 PM EDT

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/amandascott/gG5l7k/commentary#comments

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From an avid Hillary Supporter....  
By Chris from Battle Ground, WA 17 minutes ago
Let me start by saying I have been and still am an avid Hillary supporter. It has been very difficult for me to get through this week. I have been slowly, but surely, coming around, though, and after watching Barack's speech last night, for the first time, I came to the website and donated....twice! First, through an e-mail link and then second, to get a car magnet! I have to say, all of the unanswered concerns and questions I had about Barack Obama, he answered for me last night...and then some!! I had even considered voting for John McCain at one point this week.
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By * rdorgan on Aug 29, 2008 3:20 PM EDT

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But, now, after last night, and after watching this complete debacle this morning with McCain and this woman, Palin, this morning, I can tell you that I think it's both an insult and an outrage to my intelligence, as well as to me as a woman, that McCain has the audacity to parade this woman in front of national television and put her on the national ticket for a job as serious and complex as the vice presidency of the United States.

 
Half of her speech was dedicated to introducing her family members, and the other half was dedicated to praising and bowing to McCain. I'm still waiting to hear from her as to what she actually brings to the table in terms of her own qualifications for the position of VP.
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By * rdorgan on Aug 29, 2008 3:21 PM EDT

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Most of her 5 children seem to be grown, but she also appears to have 2 young children, another that appears to be a teen, and how in the world does a mother justify dragging any 5-month old infant around the country on a campaign trail, let alone a special needs baby!? She may be a wonder woman to be able to attain a governorship while balancing life as a wife and mother of 5, but how does that qualify her for VP of the US?! I DO have to question her values. What kind of mother puts her own ambitions above that of her baby, let alone a special needs baby?

Obama answered my questions and concerns last night, and McCain just cemented my concerns about him...he truly is delusional, if not insane. And how dare this Palin woman step out and compare herself to someone like Hillary Clinton?!

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- They're all going to start to go shopping again. Like I said before the young men of the Democratic Party need to learn some manners and also need to start learning to respect they have women in their lives. That also includes the women who are Republican

By Susan Rowe on Aug 29, 2008 3:22 PM EDT

And also need to have the experience of changing a few baby's diapers and feeding aging sick relative.

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- Poking fun of a young Mother with an disabled infant child is just disgusting.

By Susan Rowe on Aug 29, 2008 3:31 PM EDT

Please refrain from continuing any further embarrassment.

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- I missed the poking

By Jo*in*Vermont on Aug 29, 2008 6:54 PM EDT

but I agree.  leave her personal life to her and instead review her on her accomplishments and the issues she supports.

I still think she fails, miserably.

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By raehart on Aug 29, 2008 3:53 PM EDT

I totally agree we all need to respect one another.

Does John McCain respect women?  I think not.  Palin is being used.

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- My amazing Democratic Christian Mother told my wonderful brother and myself that she didn't care what the other kids parents allowed the to do. She told us her children were going to learn to be respectful of others.

By Susan Rowe on Aug 29, 2008 4:07 PM EDT

No excuses were allowed. We also had a nice bar of soap to lick if we got too smart mouthed.

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- Oh, how I remember

By Joan In Florida on Aug 29, 2008 4:17 PM EDT

the taste of the American Family soap bar, the worst of them all:))

Respect is something that is taught or copied and does which does not necessarily come naturally to all.

McCain has little respect for his own wife. She is the one with the wealth yet he has her following him around everywhere like a hungry stray dog.

 

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- Thank you, Susan

By SofiaDad on Aug 29, 2008 4:38 PM EDT

You know, the left can be just as mean as the right.  And it's embarrassing.  Attack the policies not the person. Or we become them.

The ends rarely justify the means.

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- Sen. Hillary Clinton praised the choice of a female for McCain's vp.

By Susan Rowe on Aug 31, 2008 4:43 PM EDT

Hillary Clinton praised the historic nature of John McCain's vice presidential selection in a brief statement released Friday that was eagerly anticipated by both presidential campaigns.

“We should all be proud of Governor Sarah Palin's historic nomination, and I congratulate her and Senator McCain," Clinton, the first woman to win a presidential primary, said in the statement. "While their policies would take America in the wrong direction, Governor Palin will add an important new voice to the debate.”

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Clinton's statement reacting to Palin is markedly different than the Obama campaign's initial reaction... The Obama campaign later released a joint statement from both the Illinois senator and his running mate, Joe Biden, praising Palin for making history.

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...California Sen. Barbara Boxer said Friday that McCain is "badly mistaken" if he expects backers of the New York senator to break ranks with the Democratic party because of Palin.

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- Obama's campaign mixes Palin message

By Susan Rowe on Aug 31, 2008 5:05 PM EDT

Spokesman fires off criticism; candidate offers his praise

MONACA, Pa. - Barack Obama's spokesman fired off a fast criticism of Republican John McCain's new running mate yesterday, but the Democratic candidate himself quickly stepped in to offer her congratulations and praise.

Obama, who is eager to win over female voters who backed his rival
Hillary Clinton in the primaries, blamed the mixed messages about McCain's choice, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, on campaign aides with a "hair trigger."

He and his running mate,
Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, followed up with congratulatory phone calls to Palin.

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As the plane was lifting off from Denver, Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton issued a statement...

Soon thereafter, with the plane over the Midwest, a spokeswoman gave reporters on board a much kinder statement from Biden and Obama.

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- related...

By Susan Rowe on Aug 31, 2008 5:07 PM EDT

Bill Burton, national press secretary for the Obama for America campaign.

Burton, like Plouffe, worked on Tom Harkin's staff (as press secretary) before moving to presidential politics. He was Dick Gephardt's press secretary for the Iowa caucuses before joining John Kerry's communications team for the general election. He joined the Obama team after directing communications for the DCCC during the 2006 cycle.

In July 2007, the New York Times' David Halbfinger described how Burton and his wife, Ted Kennedy's communications director Laura Capps, managed to get married in the midst of a primary cycle.

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By Susan Rowe on Aug 31, 2008 5:08 PM EDT
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- they have women in their lives. s/b the women they have in their lives.

By Susan Rowe on Aug 29, 2008 3:59 PM EDT
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- The elephant in the room is,

By Sitka on Aug 29, 2008 3:28 PM EDT

How can a guy who's had 4 bouts with cancer choose such a lightweight as his possible successor?

Never mind the other elephant, why is a guy who's had 4 bouts with cancer even a nominee for president?

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- Someone at HQ is messing around with this comments on this blog again.

By Susan Rowe on Aug 29, 2008 3:42 PM EDT

My last comment disappeared and it then reappeared. Cut it out.

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- If a man in a wheelchair can be president

By Marty S on Aug 29, 2008 3:44 PM EDT

so can a man who's had 4 bouts of cancer.

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By raehart on Aug 29, 2008 4:04 PM EDT

Please don't compare Roosevelt with McCain.  It is a travesty.

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- Environment

By raehart on Aug 29, 2008 4:01 PM EDT

I could care less Palin has been a beauty queen, has five kids, who cares.

One thing I care about is the environment, here is what environmentalists think of her record.

“Sarah Palin’s record is not extensive — just two years ago she was the mayor of a city of less than 10,000 people — but what her record indicates is troubling. This spring, she opposed the listing of polar bears as a ‘threatened’ species. She supports the brutal aerial hunting of wolves. And she has been a friend of Big Oil, opposing a windfall profits tax on the oil industry that could fund affordable clean energy for more Americans. Palin’s husband works for BP.”

http://www.washingtonindependent.com/3573/palin-a-no-go-with-environmentalists

Plus she has no idea what a VP does, no foreign policy experience, zilch, unless of course she claims AK is next to Russia.

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- Not that I give a darn about McCain's choice

By Joan In Florida on Aug 29, 2008 4:23 PM EDT

but it is astounding that he would pick someone whose husband works for an oil company. Forget all the other negatives about this choice. There simply are no positives.

This is a joke, right??? Or is McCain really this ignorant of voters. Even Repugs will turn this one down.

 

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- mac's pick

By pinsocal * on Aug 29, 2008 4:17 PM EDT

whew! it could have been dick cheney. you never know....

so......an accomplished woman, a mother of a large brood, a fervent advocate against reproductive rights, a woman able to handle a firearm.....surprise! phyllis schlafly!

so.....she's a hunter and fisherman who lives in alaska........ho-hum. but if she had raced in the iditarod.....big deal.

there's some confusion about her husband's occupation. earlier, in an interview on a business channel, palin offered that her husband was an oil operative on the north slope with a company which used to be called BP. [as governor, palin has had recent dealings with BP.] but at the mccain announcement, it was noted that her husband was a working-class commercial fisherman. quick switch.

palin also had to get rid of her plane and her chef--not together--so that she would not appear elitist during her gubernatorial election. i suppose the state has to provide the air transportation in such a vast state. [arnold has his own private jet, but that's b/c he refuses to live in sacto.]

health care is abysmal in alaska. this state has the oil dollars, yet can't seem to improve the lives of its residents. remember, the historical start of the iditarod was a health care emergency. dems need to pound away at this with 'stats on the ground.' hillary would be great at this.

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By raehart on Aug 29, 2008 4:31 PM EDT

Moving from AK a short time ago, when I left as far as I know her husband still worked for BP.  BP had closed down I believe 12 wells in AK and was under criminal investigation for a large oil spill in March.  Her husband did quit BP for a time while she was running for Gov, then went back to work for them after she became govenor.  For a time people were up in arms saying there was a conflict of interest since she awarded BP contracts.  But since her husband did not hold a managerial position she said there was no conflict.  I wonder though because it insured her husband had a job.  I do know he is a part time fisherman.

 

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- Alaskans Do Not Kill Moose

By raehart on Aug 29, 2008 4:50 PM EDT

I did not watch McCain/Palin entire press conference, have seen only clips.

It is being mentioned on other blogs that McCain said Palin would go out and shoot a moose on her lawn or something like that.  I don't know if he actually did say it.

I want everyone here to know that if Alaskans see a moose on their lawn, we go out and take photos, we don't shoot them.

I think I've overstayed my welcome here.  Sorry everyone.  It is just that I am truly fearful McCain's hail mary may work.  It scares the hell out of me.

 

 

 

 

 

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- wonderful video of the nature of family

By Susan Rowe on Aug 29, 2008 5:06 PM EDT

 

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- hawaii, the reddest of the blue states

By pinsocal * on Aug 29, 2008 5:12 PM EDT

the criticism that barack is not patriotic--for silly reasons such as not wearing a flag pin or not placing a hand over his heart--and not ready to be commander-in-chief really raises my hackles--and barack's, too, judging from the intensity with which he defends his patriotism.  it's patriotism--not as much race or ethnicity--that really is the hot button in hawaii.

*hawaii was passed over for alaska as the 49th state b/c there were doubts about people who were different from other americans.  the congressional record of the floor debates will support this.

*older islanders can recall a time before statehood when they held american citizenship without the right to vote for their national leaders--their two senators, individual congressional rep, and president.  or mainland transplants like barack's grandparents who once had those rights but were disenfranchised when they became residents of hawaii. 

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- Reminder: I received that information from a member of the state Democratic Party, who is also an AARP lobbyists and who is a union activist. Their union had endorsed Senator Clinton during the primary.

By Susan Rowe on Aug 29, 2008 5:35 PM EDT

That same union's local hired help was also spreading this vicious gossip around
at their local's office to their members along with several other whisper campaign
smears on Obama. Some of their members told them off and reported their
unprofessional behavior to their state board.

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By Annilow on Aug 30, 2008 10:52 AM EDT

I thought AK was made a state before HI b/c AK was so important to defense strategy due to its proximity to Russia.

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- Looking forward to the debate

By Edward Fletcher on Aug 29, 2008 5:16 PM EDT

There will be a VP debate. Surely.

Think Biden can carry his own with Governor Palin?

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- hawaii, the reddest of the blue states--continued

By pinsocal * on Aug 29, 2008 5:18 PM EDT

*the attack on pearl harbor occurred in the state of hawaii and, ever since, hawaii has been the sentinel state for the defense and protection of the pacific.  the pacific command is located in hawaii with all services playing major roles.  it was the highest military brass who made the decision not to herd local japanese-americans into internment camps in wwII as they were on the mainland.  the decision was based on national security risk, not politics.

*punchbowl, the arlington of the pacific, is located in hawaii.  it is where barack's grandfather--and my father--are buried along with the pacific war dead and other vets.

*in school, we recited the preamble to the constitution--not the lord's prayer--after the pledge of allegiance every morning.  in the 3rd grade, we participated in an oratorical contest, delivering the gettysburg address.  i can still recite both.

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- hawaii, the reddest of the blue states--continued

By pinsocal * on Aug 29, 2008 5:22 PM EDT

*in elementary school, pen pals would ask whether we ate humans [no!] and how we cleaned our grass skirts [we sent them to the cleaners].  to this day, many americans consider hawaii to be an exotic, faraway land and not the 50th state.

*hawaii instilled american values and principles in gen eric shinseki, gen anthony tagupa, and our future commander-in-chief barack obama--true patriots all.

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By Thomas Janowski on Aug 29, 2008 5:35 PM EDT

How can the choice of Palin be explained? Is she the best female the Republicans currently have to offer? Is McCain insane for selecting someone under investigation for ethics violations?

I'm not understanding this choice--at all.  But the reaction from my Republican coworkers was priceless.  Absolute shock was one reaction.  Disbelief was another.  Saddness was yet another.  I don't think any of them understood it either.

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- If you were a Suffragette you would understand it. Or a women who fought the the Egual Rights Amendment.

By Susan Rowe on Aug 29, 2008 6:35 PM EDT

Many Suffragettes were members of the Republican Party. It was the Democrats who were opposed to women voting. Some elected Democratic officials of the day even allowed their wives to be put into prison or mental hospitals for wanting to have the right to vote. You may want to rent the film Iron Jawed Angels. The Women of the west got the vote first.

It's about the 'good old boys club' in the US Senate.

Women in the United States Senate

Throughout most of the Senate's history, the body was almost entirely male. Until 1920, few women ran for the Senate, and even fewer were elected until several decades ago. This is due to many factors, including the lack of women's suffrage in many states until ratification of the Nineteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, women's limited access to higher education until the mid-1900s, public perceptions of gender roles, and barriers to women's advancement such as sex discrimination, which still plays a factor in their limited numbers today.

The first woman in the Senate was Rebecca Latimer Felton who served for one day in 1922. No women served from 1922 to 1931, 1945 to 1947, and 1973 to 1978. Since 1978, there has always been at least one woman in the Senate.

There were still few women in the Senate near the end of the 20th century, long after women began to make up a significant portion of the membership of the House. As late as 1992 in fact, only two women were serving in the Senate, Nancy Kassebaum of Kansas and Barbara Mikulski of Maryland.

This began to change in the wake of the Clarence Thomas/Anita Hill hearings, with the election of the 103rd Congress in 1992, which commentators dubbed the "Year of the Woman". In addition to Sen. Mikulski, who was reelected that year, four women were elected to the Senate, joining Mikulski and Kassebaum. These additions significantly diminished the popular perception of the Senate as an exclusive "boys' club". The taboo having been broken, many more women in both the Democratic and Republican parties began to run for the Senate in subsequent years, and several have been elected since then. In fact, of the twenty-five women who have ever been elected (rather than only appointed) to the Senate, sixteen are currently serving. [...]

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- women s/b woman, Egual s/b Equal

By Susan Rowe on Aug 29, 2008 6:38 PM EDT
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By Thomas Janowski on Aug 29, 2008 6:49 PM EDT

But do you really think women would support a woman who wants to end freedom of choice?

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- Yes.

By Susan Rowe on Aug 29, 2008 7:33 PM EDT

And some are even pro-choice Democrats but most are pro-choice Republicans who live in their political party's past.

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- There are people who worship power.

By Susan Rowe on Aug 29, 2008 7:58 PM EDT

To them is not about an individuals rights.  It's about power. They think if you have enough power you can do anything. And they will do anything to get and to keep the power. All self-righteous ideologs think they are above the law.

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- sorry, but I can't agree

By Jo*in*Vermont on Aug 29, 2008 6:50 PM EDT

I want the VP, even of an extreme repub ike McCain, to be ready to take on the job of POTUS.  and I don't care what gender they are.  Palin not only would be a big step back in the advancement of women, she would be a threat to them and their families in many ways.  jmho.

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- I see if I can explain it on terms Deaniacs understand.

By Phil Specht on Aug 29, 2008 6:02 PM EDT

Palin is an underground hero in the pro-life evangelical community. They have worked very hard bottomup grassroots style to take over the GOP and threatened to stay home after being the margin of victory in the last two elections.

Had John Kerry picked Howard Dean instead of John Edwards he would have gotten a similar boost as to what McCain will with Palin and we have harder work to do now than if he would have picked Tom Ridge. Pawlenty didn't have much more experience.

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- McCain is dissing Obama's age and experience too.

By Phil Specht on Aug 29, 2008 6:12 PM EDT

Hillary supporters won't go to her, I think it is red meat for the GOP base. Guns God Gays

People like Palin are why I work so hard for the Democratic ticket, I want my schools to teach evolution, but America is a political system built on coalitons assembled on election day and McCain can't win without the group Palin brings in, and if staring that prospect in the face is what swells Democratic ranks and we win; it will turn yet another chapter.

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By raehart on Aug 29, 2008 6:35 PM EDT

Phil,

I have to think that this time the young voters, the hispanic voters are going to win this for us.  Also I think Biden is going to help immensely with the older voters, also Catholic voters.

Did you see the poll out today from the Southwestern states on the hispanic vote?  Obama was winning by a very wide margin, he has a 20 percent lead over where Kerry was in 2004.  

I really think people are more informed and tired of it.  I do not think all repugs are happy with this choice.

But we have to work hard, it is certainly not going to be a cakewalk.

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- Palin is no Pushover--Dave Lindorff

By Hu Jo on Aug 29, 2008 6:53 PM EDT

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Great-Speach-Big-Question-by-Dave-Lindorff-080829-32.html

 

Palin has demonstrated that she’s a gold-star campaigner,
handily winning over a majority of the voters of a very
libertarian-minded and macho state despite her anti-abortion stance.

 

Palin, unlike McCain, is a genuine maverick—a woman who defied her party, running in the Republican primary against a seated Republican governor, Frank Murkowski, and
defeating him, and then going on to win the governorship handily, a
woman who personally turned in her own party chairman and her own
party’s attorney general on ethics violations, forcing both to resign,
and who has gone on to make a reputation as a corruption fighter,
mostly against members of her own party’s entrenched political
establishment.

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- What if?

By publius on Aug 29, 2008 8:26 PM EDT

Wonder who McCain would have turned to had the latest political team who think they have the golden touch sought the party's
strongest ticket and put Hillary on it?

Now,
Run against Bush Cheney and hope McCain doesn't flip flop back on tax and energy policy.

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- I personally don't think Palin is any more qualified

By Phil Specht on Aug 29, 2008 8:27 PM EDT

than Harriet Meier was for her promotion attempt. I think McCain realized he was a cooked goose after Barack's speech and it is an act of desparation, but it has internal logic if you think like a Republican.

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