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Republican Campaign Against Likely Democratic Voters Begins
http://www.truthout.org/article/republican-campaign-against-likely-democratic-voters-begins
Steven Rosenfeld, AlterNet, writes: "Across the country and on the Republican National Committee web site, a handful of GOP officeholders and party officers are trying to discredit recent voter registration drives and record-setting turnout by Democrats in 2008 primaries, saying efforts seen as benefiting Democrats are rife with 'voter fraud.'"
http://www.counterpunch.org/irelan07022008.html
Obama told the good folk of Zanesville, Ohio, that the recent primary elections had somehow created the misapprehension that he was “on the left,” but that he’s really quite religious.
The clear implication of this statement is that “the left” is incompatible with religion. For example, Fernando Lugo, the leftist Catholic priest who was recently elected President of Paraguay, obviously isn’t religious at all. He says he wants to use the office of the president to help the poor. That makes him a leftist. So he can’t really be religious.
As a general rule, Catholic priests aren’t supposed to become presidents. Lugo understands this and submitted his resignation, but the Vatican refused to accept it. I don’t know how Obama plans to handle all this when he becomes president. Maybe he’ll label the College of Cardinals a terrorist organization.
In any event, now we know what Obama was talking about when he preached his daily sermon on “hope” and “change.” You thought he was talking about peace in Iraq, health care for everyone, and other leftist nonsense. In reality, Brother Obama hopes to change all of you into evangelicals. He and George Bush are old pals. God told George to invade Iraq. What will God tell Brother Obama?
Our founding fathers (we had no founding mothers) got it all wrong. They believed in the separation of church and state. Evangelicals want to separate the state from your tax money by turning Sunday’s collection over to certain religious groups that will use it for “faith-based initiatives.”
Which religious groups? I wouldn’t want to predict exactly which groups will end up with the money, but if you’re a Muslim who wants to start a childcare center for the members of the local mosque, I wouldn’t spend much time standing by the mailbox, waiting for the check to arrive. Brother Obama is sending you a signal, and the message it carries is that we’re talking about born-again childcare.
I also think that Father President Lugo might as well forget about U.S. aid to help the poor people of Paraguay. Do-gooder priest-presidents will have to use their imaginations. He could say that FARC is gathering in the mountains. That would fetch a pile of aid from the U.S., most of which would arrive in the form of firepower. This works for President Uribe, the current mob boss of Colombia. Of course, Lugo would have to lie about all this, which raises additional moral and ethical problems.
Returning from Paraguay to Zanesville, Brother Obama told the assembled throng how he had arrived at the faith-based initiative stage of his political life. "While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work," he said.
At this point, we need to back away from the voting booth and ponder for a moment. I wonder if Brother Obama has forgotten a theological issue that led Protestants and Catholics to slaughter each other with astonishing efficiency during Europe’s religious wars, which occurred a relatively short time ago. Are we saved by our faith or by our faith and works? The opposing answers to that question provided a convenient excuse for carnage. The underlying motives for the carnage were, of course, what they always are—wealth and power. Today, a new Thirty Years’ War, or maybe longer, seems well underway in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Brother Obama, we’ve had enough presidential theology. Feed the hungry. End the war.
Forty-nine percent of Americans say Obama is friendly to religion, while 45% say McCain is friendly to religion. More than seven-in-ten (71%) say it is important for public officials to be comfortable talking about religious values.
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- Yes Sitka, Obama did throw Wes Clark under th duplex tires of the Straight-Talk Express
By Huron John on Jul 2, 2008 10:34 PM EDThttp://www.counterpunch.org/fantina07022008.html
It is a strange world indeed when the presidential candidate of one party basically endorses his opponent.
Yet that is the situation that we now find ourselves in. On June 29, retired General Wesley Clark, who has endorsed Democratic Senator Barack Obama of Illinois for president, said this concerning the Republican presidential candidate, Arizona Senator John McCain: “I certainly honor his service as a prisoner of war. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and millions of others in the armed forces, as a prisoner of war. And he has traveled all over the world. But he hasn't held executive responsibility.” When asked for further explanation, Mr. Clark continued: “Well, I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president.”
Any thinking person would need to search long and hard and, ultimately unsuccessfully, to find something controversial in those statements. He or she would also be hard pressed to locate within Mr. Clark’s words anything that brought into question Mr. Clark’s opinion on the patriotism of Mr. McCain. Yet Mr. Obama apparently felt the need to disassociate himself from Mr. Clark’s words. In response to those words, he said the following: “For those like John McCain who have endured physical torment in service to our country - no further proof of such sacrifice is necessary. And let me also add that no one should ever devalue that service, especially for the sake of a political campaign, and that goes for supporters on both sides.”
It appears that, for many, the fact that Mr. McCain was a prisoner of war in Vietnam elevates him nearly to the status of deity. Nothing Mr. Clark said implied anything about Mr. McCain’s patriotism. Indeed he praised Mr. McCain’s alleged sacrifice (see Counterpunch: print version April 1 – 15, 2008, Vol. 15, No 7, or online version, June 13 – 15: War Hero? Meet the Real John McCain: North Vietnam’s Go-to Collaborator). His offense, at least in the eyes of Mr. Obama, was to suggest that victimization in a war does not qualify one to be commander-in-chief.
Once again, the level of political discourse in the U.S. is reduced to meaningless sound bytes, sufficient to appeal to the lowest common denominator in the thought processes of the potential voter. Let’s see now: John McCain, former POW. That means that he is qualified to manage two wars; deal effectively with several international crises without killing millions more people in obscene and illegal wars; fix the mortgage crisis that has ten percent of the U.S. population in danger of losing their homes; provide gainful employment for the millions of Americans who are out of work; repair the badly broken educational system; return the respect of the world to a nation that is hated and feared almost universally, and unite a widely polarized citizenship.
Jim Wallis | Obama's Faith-Based Plan
http://www.truthout.org/article/obamas-faith-based-plan
Writing for Sojourners, Jim Wallis says, "I have hoped that both presidential candidates would recommit the nation to this necessary and positive vision of partnership between the public sector and the faith community on the goals of poverty reduction. Today, Barack Obama outlined his plan to engage faith-based and community organizations from the White House in order to create "the foundation of a new project of American renewal."
It isn't hard to see where this is going.
Chairman of Joint Chiefs Says More Troops Needed in Afghanistan
http://www.truthout.org/article/chairman-joint-chiefs-says-more-troops-needed-afghanistan
Josh White of The Washington Post reports: "The nation's top military officer said today that more US troops are needed in Afghanistan to help tamp down an increasingly violent insurgency but [he] does not have sufficient forces to send because of the war in Iraq."
BO's faith based ideas, of course, are geared toward those who have to pray to Jesus. Scary scary scary. It's not just a Xtian nation; it's a Jesuslandia.
Jonathan Leigh Solomon: Selling Out Sometimes? Okay. Selling Out All the time? Not. (4 comments) $500 million for Faith-Based Initiatives? Wow. Got to say, even after the last week, I didn't see that one coming. Too many Sister Souljah moments to count. What I want to see now are some more Sister Souljah moments – ones moving back to the left.
Medicare meltdown? See how your senator voted! Thirty-nine senators left town for their Fourth of July picnics knowing that the most vulnerable Americans are at risk because of the Senate's inability to act to stop drastic payment cuts for health care services. See how your senators voted. When you see them this weekend, thank those who stood up for physicians and patients by voting "yes" on H.R. 6331. Urge "No" voters to support H.R. 6331!
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"Obama Got Discount on Home Loan" Shortly after joining the U.S. Senate and while enjoying a surge in income, Barack Obama bought a $1.65 million restored Georgian mansion in an upscale Chicago neighborhood. To finance the purchase, he secured a $1.32 million loan from Northern Trust in Illinois. The freshman Democratic senator... locked in an interest rate of 5.625 percent on the 30-year fixed-rate mortgage, below the average for such loans at the time in Chicago. The loan was unusually large, known in banker lingo as a 'super super jumbo.' Obama paid no origination fee or discount points... Obama's rate could have saved him more than $300 per month. Within Obama's presidential campaign organization, former Fannie Mae chief executive James A. Johnson resigned abruptly as head of the vice presidential search committee after his favorable Countrywide loan became public. [...] 'The real question is: Were congressmen getting unique treatment that others weren't getting?' associate law professor Adam J. Levitin, a credit specialist at Georgetown University Law Center, said about the Countrywide loans. 'Do they do business like that for people who are not congressmen? If they don't, that's a problem.'
by Joe Stephens, Washington Post
Wednesday, July 2, 2008
from www.washingtonpost.com
- Yes, they do business like this with people who refuse to accept less.
By Monica Smith on Jul 3, 2008 12:11 PM EDTThe phrase "buyer beware" has a corollary for borrowers. It effectively tells people that if they get screwed in a transaction, it 's their own fault.
by Wagenvoord | July 2, 2008 - 11:06am | permalink
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By Case Wagenvoord
Dear Senator Obama,
You had us going there, for awhile. We really thought you were the stiff breeze from the West that would dissipate the rankness wafting from the vomitorium that is our nation’s capital.
We should have known better. You are simply another in a long string of Democratic candidates who sing the Populist Rag on the way to the nomination, until it is locked up. Then a strange thing happens: party hacks crawl, like vermin, from their nooks and crannies and mute the populist theme.
This is a practice that that has a long and noble history. As one writer explains, “Its [the Democratic Party] particular function, well established by the latter part of the nineteenth century, was to capture mass discontent and channel it along non-revolutionary lines, so as to uphold the essential class interests of American big business.”
by Tom Engelhardt | July 2, 2008 - 10:14am | permalink
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The buck stops… well, where does it stop? And who popularized that phrase, anyway? Herbert Hoover, J. Edgar Hoover, Harry S. Truman, George Washington, or none of the above?
Wait, don't answer! The odds are -- as Rick Shenkman, award-winning investigative journalist and founder of the always provocative website History News Network, tells us in his new book Just How Stupid Are We? Facing the Truth about the American Voter -- you'll be wrong. And when you realize the depths of the ignorance so many Americans take into the voting booth, you may indeed wonder, as Shenkman does to great effect in his new book, where indeed the buck stops.
by Linda McQuaig | July 2, 2008 - 10:04am | permalink
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Does the president of the United States have the right to order a detainee buried alive?
Oddly, this grotesque question was posed at a U.S. Congressional hearing last week. Even odder was the answer - from John Yoo, former deputy assistant attorney general in the Bush administration, now a law professor at the University of California.
"I don't think that I've ever given the advice that the president could bury somebody alive," Yoo told a judiciary subcommittee hearing into detainee interrogations.
Well, I guess that's comforting to know. But it was striking to watch Yoo evade answering whether he considered there was any treatment so vicious and inhuman that it would be beyond the president's power to inflict it on a detainee, in the interests of national defence.
- If Republicans hadn't spread the Obama is a Muslim rumors it wouldn't be so imperative he hightlight his faith seashell.
By Phil Specht on Jul 2, 2008 10:56 PM EDTHe is a Christian.
you know, a link to where he "told the good folk of Zanesville, Ohio, that the recent primary elections had somehow created the misapprehension that he was “on the left,” but that he’s really quite religious."
and please make that a direct quote, not just another interpretation of something he may or may not have said or how he said it.
and sea, I don't have blind trust for anyone or anything. but if people didn't think that any of the dem candidates wouldn't move to the right of where WE are, they really just weren't thinking. he will never be the 'perfect' candidate, but if WE don't have trust in him, no one else can be expected to either. Americans need to have some level of trust to let anyone into the WH.
but you whip a horse needlessly and he just might not make it to the finish line first. especially when you know the guy in the next lane is trying to pierce his hide with a poison-tipped fork - that may sound a bit dramatic, but think back on the right's tactics in the last few elections and you'll get my drift.
both of you - Huron and sea, of course I want you to voice your opinions, but I wish you could stop with the insults to anyone who isn't as sceptical as you are. he's gonna do and say things we don't agree with - any candidate would at some point in a general election. but yes, let's get him in the WH and get him a good majority in Congress and then hold their feet to the fire - all of them!
throw shit - see where it sticks. does it ever bother you that people who don't know you might believe you're posting facts, rather than your highly prejudiced opinions (prejudiced in that your instincts tell you not to TRUST Obama, not that he's black)? that someone might read comments like those above and believe you?
the head of the League of Cathlics has read his initiative and he doesn't see what you claim, above:
Catholic League president Bill Donohue urged Catholics to reject Sen. Barack Obama's faith-based initiative:
"If a customer walked into a New York deli and said, 'Let me have a hot dog on a roll--hold the frankfurter'--he'd likely be thrown out. That's what the public should do to Obama's faith-based initiative: since he wants to gut the faith from his faith-based programs, he should be told to junk it.
"Any church or religious agency that agrees to take federal money on the condition that it must operate in a secular fashion--in hiring and in disseminating its values--is selling out. If Orthodox Jews running a day care center are not allowed to exclusively hire Orthodox Jews, there is nothing kosher about it. If a Catholic foster care program cannot place Catholic children with Catholic parents, it is doing a disservice to the children. If an evangelical drug rehab program can't deliver a Christian message to its clients, it may as well close up shop. But that's what Obama wants--he wants to secularize the religious workplace.
"No wonder Obama said yesterday that 'I'm not saying that faith-based groups are an alternative to government or secular nonprofits, and I'm not saying that they're somehow better at lifting people up.' Indeed, if he really believes this then he might as well withdraw his initiative.
"The whole purpose behind funding faith-based programs is that they are, in fact, superior to secular programs. And the reason they are has everything to do with the inculcation of religious values disseminated by people of faith. No matter, Obama wants to gut the religious values and bar religious agencies from hiring people who share their religion. Hence, his initiative is a fraud."
- South Dakota's rigid abortion law upheld by 8th appeals court.
By floridagal . on Jul 2, 2008 11:31 PM EDTThis bill is really something else. It requires doctors to spout right wing nonsense to their patients instead of allowing honesty. And it was upheld by an appeals court? This is just nuts.
South Dakota abortion doctors now required to spout right wing religious ideology to patients.
Part of it...
"Doctors are now forced, by law, to tell each of these women that “An abortion will terminate the life of a whole, separate, unique, living human being.” This restriction is just one more tactic that anti-choice forces have used to chip away at the constitutional right to abortion in what is already one of the most restricted states."
And more. Ridiculous.
"And Pat, there are no racists on this blog and never have been. You cannot possibly be a progressive and a racist at the same time. LOL"
- An example of discerning judgment, cogent argument, and constructive cirticism.
By Pat in Colorado on Jul 3, 2008 2:38 AM EDTGuess I can add LOL as well.
"BO's faith based ideas, of course, are geared toward those who have to pray to Jesus. Scary scary scary. It's not just a Xtian nation; it's a Jesuslandia."
- Actions will be important with respect to Obama's words
By Pat in Colorado on Jul 3, 2008 2:42 AM EDTHi Jo and friends. Some good arguments.
The country is in a mess, and I too, am appalled that Bush and company continue to hold enormous power, and We the People don't seem to be able to check it.
- Phil, I recieved those racists emails about Sen. Obama from the local union folks who had endorsed Sen. Clinton. The stuff I got on Sen.Clinton was worse and it did come from the Republicans.
By Susan Rowe on Jul 3, 2008 3:46 AM EDTI sent all the information into the state party to deal with but not before I gave them all a piece of my mind.
It was requesting I donate $50.00 to DFA so other DFA volunteers like myself could recruit more volunteers to register voters.
IMHO, it was total nonsense.
It doesn't cost DFA a dime to ask the DFA volunteers to register voters or recruit new members.
I posted a comment and a video of Lieberputz' 'terrorist fist jab' in the body of the post.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/02/joe-lieberman-gives-terro_n_110564.html
FIX THE BLOG, please. most times when I go to link a photo or a vid, your little box to paste the url into pops up and then goes blank before I can post anything in it.
and I think the fact that every frontpage thread has ONLY the date and time the post was written and not when it was f-p by dfa can be confusing - you used to have both in the header and that was helpful.
and the watercooler thingy is difficult to comment on and then get back to - so real conversations are nearly impossible. and it isn't archived like every other thread - that seems to be saying 'your comments are trash - you go over here to comment and we'll toss them out in an hour or two'. you insult us by not 'allowing' anything but the chosen topic of the minute and making sure those words are never to be read again. the actual purpose for the current format of this blog (responding to individual posts) is so folks can leave comments nested and scroll the conversations they're not interested in, so a 'watercooler' is an unnecessary addition, imo.
IF YOU WANT THE REGULAR BLOGGERS TO LEAVE, WHY DON'T YOU JUST SAY SO?
Democracy for America in action - but 'whose' Amerika?
What is Change?
Change is, instead of playing the usual political games of promising more services while cutting taxes (or increasing them on "someone else") addressing our budget strategically. What I write below isn't the only solution (Phil has a different one, for example), but it's the kind of wide ranging solution I'd like to hear from the candidates (or anyone else).
Expecting something for nothing is the most popular form of hope.
Arnold Glasow
It seems trivial. Not even worth mentioning. Yet a lack of understanding of a simple truth is the source of much of our controversy and many of our long term problems in Washington and state capitals.
You can’t get something for nothing.
In the context of government, this translates as: we can’t ask government for services unless we are willing to pay for those services through taxes. Surveys, letters to the editor and to legislators by citizens claim we want better services: education second to none, transportation infrastructure and mass transit sufficient to avoid traffic backups, police and firefighters to protect us against both the normal problems of society and the new potential of terrorism in our back yards. Yet, when faced with the cost of those services, we vote in favor of candidates and positions best described by that old shibboleth, “Don’t tax you, don’t tax me, tax that guy behind the tree.”
Nobody likes to pay taxes, but taxes are the price of civilization. We can choose to be a very low tax nation of low tax states, but only should do so with the understanding that the result will be poor and deteriorating schools, insufficient and unrepaired roads, understaffed and underequipped police and fire departments, and state colleges and universities which either charge tuition as high as private institutions or don’t provide the level of excellence we expect.
We must demand a fair tax system, where taxes paid and services provided are balanced across regions, where those least able to pay are not saddled with spending the highest percentage of their income on taxes: payroll, income and sales and where individuals and business each pay their fair share. But if instead of rewarding those who try to deal with reality we continue to reward through our votes those who propose we can get something for nothing, then nothing is what we will get. The situation in county seats, state capitals and Washington right now, to that extent, is our fault, because the message we sent when we elected people who promised us a free lunch is the way for them to keep those jobs is not to govern responsibly, but to keep feeding us happy talk about getting something for nothing.
The two main complaints about the tax system in this country by the average America are that they are unfair (the “fat cats” know how to get all the breaks) and in the case of the federal income tax, difficult to understand and time and effort consuming to file. Democrats should promote a tax system that has these three tenets:
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- Is progressive across the entire breadth of the tax structure: payroll (social security, etc.) taxes, income taxes, sales taxes…
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- Is simple for taxpayers to pay
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- Is loophole-free, clear and simple to understand
This is a major reform of our tax system. If we are going to comply with these three tenets, the result will be a system where many well-loved “tax breaks” will have to go. The details of implementing these three tenets will be different at the federal, state and local levels. The people, businesses and industries that get special treatment in our current system will complain mightily. But in the long run, if the system is seen as fair, is easy to pay and the impression is that everyone is treated equally, it will have the support of the American people.
In the movie “The American President”, the fictional President Shepard says, “America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You've got to want it bad, because it's going to put up a fight.” If we are going to be the nation that the founders envisioned when they founded our federal and state governments, then we have to take our responsibility as voters as we ask our elected representatives to take theirs.
my X-Rays were negative but my shoulder is immobilized so I have to work one handed til my next appointment
if I worked for someone else I could have a five day weekend
as it is I'm that Supervisor everyone hates, that stands there looking over your shoulder and telling you every detail of your task lol
I'm done helping with flood clean-up for awhile, I'll be curious to see if my blog insights deteriorate under the influence of flexiril.
too bad my accident wasn't video taped though because it had potential for prize dollars on America's Funniest Videos
I hate to tell you Phil but Flexeril is a wonderful sleep inducer :~)
A vomitorium is an amphitheater with a lot of exits, not a place to puke. Are people serious?
Since 2003
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Moving the cursor to where I want it and hitting either tab or enter is working OK. But, I'm inclined to think we should just boycott the watercooler. Don't want to be supportive of segregationist strategies--one venue for the compliers and another for the rogues.
getting the hang of my broken lap-top whose mouse has lost the left button. I can use enter when the cursor highlights a link and the tab to cycle throught the comment functions.
Water-cooler seems not attractive.
Yes, Montana!!!
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/7/3/84434/02565/283/545856
Good morning all! Rain here - hope the sun comes out - we have company coming for the next several days...
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/Mtpicnic/
Obama Family in Butte, MT
Join the Obama family at an Independence Day picnic in Butte on Friday, July 4th.
Independence Day Picnic with the Obama Family
Montana Tech
Practice Athletic Field South of HPER Building
1300 W. Park Street
Butte, MT
Friday, July 4th Gates Open: 9:30 a.m
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Some posts are on both threads, Danny. Why is that? And there is discontinuity between some posts and the responses to them. We have no power to say, "I'm responding in the other thread" as we don't know what HQ will do with them. We're all over the map again.
Can we please keep this simple?
Thank you.
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my posts about my accident with the ten thousand volt fencer just simply got deleted by today's class monitor and wasn't even worthy of sending to the watercooler
oh well
DFA obviously doesn't value our sense of how to build an activist community
Let's Escrow Our Money to Keep Obama Progressive
Last week, we asked 1,000 of you to contribute $10 to raise $10,000 to help progressive Democrats like State Senator Regina Thomas defeat "Bush Democrats" like Rep. John Barrow (GA12) in upcoming primaries. Your response was amazing: over 1,300 of you contributed over $60,000! Senator Thomas and our other "Replace Bush Democrats" candidates were thrilled by your support, and so are we!!
Now we are asking you to use your money to ensure that Barack Obama lives up to his promise to deliver "change we can believe in. "
How? By creating a progressive "escrow" fund that you control.
http://www.democrats.com/obama-escrow-fund
Many progressives were shocked last week when Obama flip-flopped on wiretapping immunity for the phone companies with this simple explanation:
"My view on FISA has always been that the issue of the phone companies per se is not one that overrides the security interests of the American people."
So if a President unilaterally decides it is in the "security interests of the American people" to defy the Constitution, the Law, and Congress, (s)he can do whatever (s)he wants?
George Bush believes that, as do Dick Cheney and John McCain - and every dictator in the world. How is that progressive? And how is that change we can believe in?
Don't get me wrong: we fully support Obama and will do everything we can to elect him President. But will also do everything we can to protect the Constitution and hold Obama to his promise of real progressive change.
And that's why we are launching our Obama Progressive Escrow Fund. We're asking you to put some of the money you plan to give Obama "in escrow" until he demonstrates progressive leadership on the issues we care about, like warrantless wiretapping.
http://www.democrats.com/obama-escrow-fund
We are absolutely not trying to hurt Obama - we'll give him our money at some point. We're just asking for a little R-E-S-P-E-C-T like Aretha Franklin sang about.
We can get Obama's respect because needs our money - he turned down $85 million in taxpayer dollars because he believes small donors like us will contribute $300 million. And now is the best time to use our modest leverage, before the campaign goes all-out after the convention.
We are setting an ambitious goal of $1 million, which is hopefully large enough to get some respect.
We are not asking you to give us your money. We only want you to make a moral "pledge" to our informal "escrow" fund. The money remains entirely yours, and we want you to contribute directly to Obama after he takes actions that you believe demonstrate progressive leadership.
(When you eventually decide to contribute to Obama, please use our special Obama Progressive Leadership Fund page on Actblue so we can all see how strong we are, as measured in simple dollars.)
I just pledged $2,300 to the Obama Progressive Escrow Fund, which is the maximum allowed by law. I hope 100,000 of you will pledge as little as $10 so together we get some respect.
http://www.democrats.com/obama-escrow-fund
Thanks for all you do!
Bob Fertik
While Harold Ford and the DLC begin their campaign to drag the nominee to the right toward one of their spectacular losses, maybe we could take a look at the "democrats.com", movement to "escrow" donations to Obama for a period of time to give him incentive to stay with the ones who brung him to the dance. Let's discuss it.
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By seashell on Jul 2, 2008 10:15 PM EDTTo blindly trust any pol , especially one so unknown, is foolhardy IMO. Trust is EARNED over time. Again, when you meet a handsome man or beautiful woman, do you automatically trust completely or do you watch and see if the oratory matches the action?
Trust but verify. BO's having a bit of a problem with the verifying part, since his past words are not matching well his current words. This leads to distrust. Trust issues can go both ways...either becoming blind foolish trust or never trusting anyone anytime, no matter what.
I completely trust my intuition and it's proving to be spot on. BO's running hard to the right. He is not what he seemed to be. This causes concern among some people and rightly so.
Didn't he talk about transparency in gov't? Then why should we say that it's OK whatever he does since he'll make it all better once he's in office? We have no idea what he'll do if in office, but we're getting a glimpse and it ain't purty. He needs to be held accountable NOW. He serves the people, not the other way around.
And Pat, there are no racists on this blog and never have been. You cannot possibly be a progressive and a racist at the same time. LOL