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The Watercooler for 07/03/08 12:00 PM
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Dean is first.
How do we get to the previous watercooler.
this is insane. I can't find the old one and there are 2 new ones.
There are links at the top of the current watercooler to the previous 4 watercooler threads.
Since there is a demand fo it, sometime next week I will add a page with links to all previous watercooler threads.
- in the past few weeks I'm seeing a lot more Obama '08 bumper stickers ...
By * rdorgan on Jul 3, 2008 12:16 PM EDT... in "Hillary Country" of eastern Massachusetts.
Let's Escrow Our Money to Keep Obama Progressive
Last week, we asked 1,000 of you to contribute $10 to raise $10,000 to help progressive Democrats like State Senator Regina Thomas defeat "Bush Democrats" like Rep. John Barrow (GA12) in upcoming primaries. Your response was amazing: over 1,300 of you contributed over $60,000! Senator Thomas and our other "Replace Bush Democrats" candidates were thrilled by your support, and so are we!!
Now we are asking you to use your money to ensure that Barack Obama lives up to his promise to deliver "change we can believe in. "
How? By creating a progressive "escrow" fund that you control.
http://www.democrats.com/obama-escrow-fund
Many progressives were shocked last week when Obama flip-flopped on wiretapping immunity for the phone companies with this simple explanation:
"My view on FISA has always been that the issue of the phone companies per se is not one that overrides the security interests of the American people."
So if a President unilaterally decides it is in the "security interests of the American people" to defy the Constitution, the Law, and Congress, (s)he can do whatever (s)he wants?
George Bush believes that, as do Dick Cheney and John McCain - and every dictator in the world. How is that progressive? And how is that change we can believe in?
Don't get me wrong: we fully support Obama and will do everything we can to elect him President. But will also do everything we can to protect the Constitution and hold Obama to his promise of real progressive change.
And that's why we are launching our Obama Progressive Escrow Fund. We're asking you to put some of the money you plan to give Obama "in escrow" until he demonstrates progressive leadership on the issues we care about, like warrantless wiretapping.
http://www.democrats.com/obama-escrow-fund
We are absolutely not trying to hurt Obama - we'll give him our money at some point. We're just asking for a little R-E-S-P-E-C-T like Aretha Franklin sang about.
We can get Obama's respect because needs our money - he turned down $85 million in taxpayer dollars because he believes small donors like us will contribute $300 million. And now is the best time to use our modest leverage, before the campaign goes all-out after the convention.
We are setting an ambitious goal of $1 million, which is hopefully large enough to get some respect.
We are not asking you to give us your money. We only want you to make a moral "pledge" to our informal "escrow" fund. The money remains entirely yours, and we want you to contribute directly to Obama after he takes actions that you believe demonstrate progressive leadership.
(When you eventually decide to contribute to Obama, please use our special Obama Progressive Leadership Fund page on Actblue so we can all see how strong we are, as measured in simple dollars.)
I just pledged $2,300 to the Obama Progressive Escrow Fund, which is the maximum allowed by law. I hope 100,000 of you will pledge as little as $10 so together we get some respect.
http://www.democrats.com/obama-escrow-fund
Thanks for all you do!
Bob Fertik
My above post was complete removed...couldn'tfind it any where. This is censorship.
We didn't ask for this and I'm not into faith-based DFA anymore.
Glad you're okay, Phil. Should injuries are no fun. My brother had rotator cuff surgery and then another to remove scar tissue.
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Guess I'll be at the water cooler a lot. LOL
Off to the store. Later gators
One comment since noon. Quite a rollout.
Since these just nontopical posts get moved from the queue without fanfare, now I've got to supply some context with it to avoid sounding completely ignorant (as opposed to only partially).
This was the second post on the main thread, submitted one and a quarter hours after the main post appeared.
Keep running. These posts will be purged from history by the time you get back.
- What's the real reasoing behind this innovation on the blog?
By Pat in Colorado on Jul 3, 2008 1:47 PM EDTWell, it's only been one day, but I hate it. I want to read all the comments, off topic or not. That's what made this blog unique; it's why so many of us have stayed, I bet.
Has the blog gone commercial? All those little icons are for the most part commercial.
A week ago, I received a phone call from DFA asking us to renew our membership. I said that we had renewed our memberships in February, and maybe their reconrds were not accurate.
What is really going on?
Is this like a Ray Brandbury science fiction story, where gradually, posts are deleted until the only thing left is the computer and the one censoring?
Is this a money thing? Has DFA become like KOS, a profit orieneted enterprise? Is there an option that people who would like to continue as an activist community would pay a fee? I don't have infallible intuition (how wonderful if I did), but I'm not comfortable that DFA has been open and direct about this blog. Wish they would be.
And so, back to cleaning.
In order not to be discarded, I think the idea of Sirota's saying the grassroots will provide ideas and direction, wow, if that could only happen. We might then be able to reclaim the old republic and WE the PEOPLE.
- Sorry for all the typos. Fingers are getting senile.
By Pat in Colorado on Jul 3, 2008 1:48 PM EDTWhy talk here? It's going to disappear. . . .
Danny's like the doctor who says: well if we just remove this leg-bone, this spine. . . . krezzy. . . .
Tim said above that we successfully bitched enough to get a watercooler archive next week. You have the power!
The regular thread has 2 posts on it. Error pages come up frequently and where is Audrey's post about holding Bo'S money for him in escrow. When I click send here, I get error or sent to the main page.
I think Phil may have left us and I'm seriously considering it. If we can't find and respond to each other, what good are we?
Yuck!
I guess simple is too simple. And the rating system is high-schoolish.
Anybody know of a progressive blog? I'm ready for change.
Phil, did you get my well wishes for your shoulder?
When I click submit, I get sent back to the main page and have to start all over and even then................I know new software has bugs, BUT WE DON'T NEED THIS. SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE IS WHAT WE NEED.
I left Phil a 'well wish' too on the main blog and it didn't come here it disappeared.
Yeah anni, my stuff is just disappearing, too.
Plus, the whole blog there and here seems fairly messed up. Post here, can't get back to thread; reply here: "access denied" ~~
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right. . . .
... stuck in the middle with you
(great tune and appropro to describing the far left and the far right)
This is all too top down and unnecessarily complicatedfor me to deal with. There is far too little communication or interest from Hdqtrs as to what the DFA base wants. Are we being 'nudged' to 'get in line'? Anyway, send me off to the cooler and the circular file.
We should be gathering up all of our creativity and sharing back and forth with hdqtrs. to take our country and Party back. I'm not with DFA to just read selective articles, or to perform technical tricks.
Audrey, also too much for me. What I posted about the escrow account would make an excellent discussion.
I was going to actually say something NICE -- when you post a main thread and you make a typo, you can actually EDIT IT :~)
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