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- Howard is in the House

By * rdorgan on Aug 25, 2008 9:05 AM EDT

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/08/24/2008-08-24_barack_obamas_team_pleased_with_dnc_chai.html

DNC chairman Howard Dean has gotten a solid review from Barack Obama's campaign team.

DNC Howard Dean has gotten a solid review from Barack Obama's campaign team.

Barack Obama's team pleased with DNC chairman Howard Dean

BY KENNETH R. BAZINET
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU

Sunday, August 24th 2008, 6:25 PM

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"We've accomplished a lot and quite frankly a lot more than I thought we would," Dean told the Daily News as the party prepared for its Denver convention. "The only thing I care about now is getting Sen. [Barack] Obama into the White House."

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"We like him. He's doing well in his role, which is building the party outside of Washington and registering voters," said a senior Obama aide. "He's out there now on a bus tour registering more voters, and it's going well."

Obama aides and others hail Dean's two-year-old "50-state program," which moved the party away from focusing only on party-friendly Blue States and into Republican strongholds.

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- Jim Kunstler's weekly cheer...........

By Hu Jo on Aug 25, 2008 9:39 AM EDT

http://www.kunstler.com/

   As the political conventions descend like the soggy forces of nature they have become -- the tropical depressions of politics -- the Republican party will be seen, with growing clarity, as the party that wrecked America. So many shoes are about to drop, and so many dominoes lined up to fall 'out there' on the financial landscape that the thump and clatter of crashing institutions will sound like the percussion section of the renowned USC marching band as the nation tramps toward the general election.

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- More from Kunstler--same link

By Hu Jo on Aug 25, 2008 9:41 AM EDT

At the moment, two of the biggest elephants in the room, so to speak, are going tits-up with X's where their eyes used to be. These would be the "affordable housing" enablers Fannie and Freddie, who managed during the past decade to make housing virtually unaffordable for any normal, responsible person unwilling to game the system -- with the additional consequence that not only the housing market but the general credit-and-lending apparatus of the US has entered a state of morbid failure. These two corporations are now dead, incurring a legacy of obligation that will add five trillion dollars to the national debt at one stroke. Nobody knows what the exact results of this debacle may be -- and the current silence about it is deafening -- but odds are the effect will range somewhere between destroying the currency and bankrupting the United States altogether.

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- More Kunstler

By Hu Jo on Aug 25, 2008 9:45 AM EDT

I'm rather convinced that the carnage on the money scene will be so extreme this fall that the nation will seem to have been transformed from a superpower to a basketcase before November 4th, and that the blame for this state of affairs will be blindingly obvious: the people in charge for the past eight years looted the treasury, destroyed the currency, and left the machinery of capital a smoking wreckage.


And so, with the fucking nonsense of the Beijing olympics being over, let the real games begin.

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- the DNC schedule (for today 8/25/08 - ONE NATION)

By * rdorgan on Aug 25, 2008 9:51 AM EDT

http://www.demconwatchblog.com/2008/08/convention-speakers-and-agenda.html

Democratic National Convention Podium Schedule
Monday, August 25, 2008 – ONE NATION

Time Shown as local – Denver, Colorado MST

3:00 PM - 7:00 PM (LOCAL)

Call to Order
The Honorable Howard Dean
Chair, Democratic National Committee
Former Governor of Vermont

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Remarks
Maya Soetoro-Ng
Half-sister of Barack Obama
High School teacher - Hawaii

7:00 PM - 9:00 PM

Remarks
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Senator Edward M. Kennedy Tribute 
Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg

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Michelle Obama
Wife of Presidential Candidate Barack Obama

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Recess
The Honorable Kathleen Sebelius
Governor of Kansas

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- Afghanistan--different country, same stupid tactics

By Hu Jo on Aug 25, 2008 9:52 AM EDT

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20080825_hedges_afghanistan_worsening/

As the conflict in Afghanistan has intensified, so has the indiscriminate use of airstrikes, including Friday’s, which took place in the Azizabad area of Shindand district in Herat province. The airstrike was carried out after Afghan and coalition soldiers were ambushed by insurgents while on a patrol targeting a known Taliban commander in Herat, the U.S. military said. Hundreds of Afghans, shouting anti-U.S. slogans, staged angry street protests on Saturday in Azizabad to protest the killings, and President Hamid Karzai condemned the airstrike

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- Music Lesson for Today

By Annilow on Aug 25, 2008 9:57 AM EDT

Hujo-Kunstler-hear hear.

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I just happened on this post from MostlyOpera about Mein Herz Brent (My heart burns or my heart is on fire).  It's a symphonic song cycle based on Rammstein lyrics.  What makes this post special is she (I think MostlyOpera is a she) juxtaposes Youtubes of Rammstein versions with the Rasch/Pape versions of Mutter - which is a rage against the mother (an aborted fetus talking?) - and Mein Herz Brent which is in a nutshell about the boogeyman under your and my bed.  The Rammstein versions are much less painful than I anticipated and as for the Rasch/Pape version, I already have a ticket for the London Phil in May.

http://mostlyopera.blogspot.com/2008/07/ren-pape-mein-herz-brennt.html

It's the post for Saturday 19 July 2008 if it doesn't pop up automatically.

 

 

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- The traditional media

By mary vb on Aug 25, 2008 10:13 AM EDT

is doing all they can to ensure a horse race.  Click for all the articles from real clear politics.  My head is ready to explode.  And what's up with the nonsense about *only 1/2 of Hillary's voters support Obama?*  Oh give me a break - this happens each and every election.  I find it hard to believe that they will all go to McCain

 

 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

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- Teddy Kennedy

By mary vb on Aug 25, 2008 10:15 AM EDT

may be at the convention in person per The Boston Globe.  I will be watching this convention for sure. 

One more thing -- Bill Clinton needs to get over himself.  I'm just sick of his antics.  Grow up,Bill!

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- it's not all about America ...

By * rdorgan on Aug 25, 2008 10:21 AM EDT

... a new Dem administration, orchestrated in by Barack, Joe and Howard (on the heels of the Olympics) will bear that out -- the welfare, economic advancement and security of all the residents in the rest of the world, ties in with our own:

 http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/beijing/photo?slug=6951db84076232b5c98a805086930419-getty-81972615mw342_olympics_day_&prov=getty

BEIJING - AUGUST 18: (L-R) Silver medalist Tatyana Lebedeva of Russia, gold medalist Francoise Mbango Etone of Cameroon and bronze medalist Hrysopiyi Devetzi of Greece stand on the podium during the medal ceremony for the Women's Triple Jump Final at the National Stadium on Day 10 of the Beijing 2008 Olympic Games on August 18, 2008 in Beijing, China. (Photo by Nick Laham/Getty Images)

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- what a beautiful pic, rd.

By mary vb on Aug 25, 2008 10:24 AM EDT

You are so right - I think many Americans have become so bloody nationalistic.  It's sickening, really.  I can't wait to see Michelle speak this evening.  She's a First Lady I would be proud of.

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By * rdorgan on Aug 25, 2008 10:32 AM EDT

Frankly, I got so sick of the Phelps overkill by the CM. 

Also, there was one instance, in last night's closing ceremony, that Bob Costas was saying something about a waving gymnast Shawn Johnson, when a US AA athlete (sorry, I don't recognize him, or know his name), holding a USA flag aloft briefly stepped in front of her, and the announcer Costa stated "get out of her way, we can't see her".

My wife said "see the prejudice in America" to me.  I simply replied: "Costas is a pundit who's so full of himself, he rather frequently has to resort to flattulence to relieve the pressure". 

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- Phelps overkill?

By mary vb on Aug 25, 2008 10:42 AM EDT

He is worthy of lots of praise but so are the rest of the athletes.  Phelps didn't ask for the attention -- but the networks did a major dis-service to all the other deserving athletes at the Olympics.  I hardly watched any of it.  I watched some of the swimming, gymnastics and beach volleyball.  That was it.  It was all Phelps all the time.  As I said it wasn't Phelps' fault but the networks grab onto something and squeeze the heck out of it.  Argh!!!

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By Imn2Paine on Aug 25, 2008 8:56 PM EDT

Now that is a good comment, *r!

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- from a fellow POW ...

By * rdorgan on Aug 25, 2008 10:25 AM EDT

http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,164859_1,00.html

Why I Will Not Vote for John McCain
Phillip Butler | March 27, 2008
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I furthermore believe that having been a POW is no special qualification for being President of the United States. ... POW experience is not, in my opinion, something I would look for in a presidential candidate.
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I'm disappointed to see John represent himself politically in ways that are not accurate. He is not a moderate Republican. ... his voting record is far to the right.
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Senator John Sidney McCain, III ... has made enormous personal achievements. And he is a man that I am proud to call a fellow POW who "Returned With Honor." That's our POW motto. But since many of you keep asking what I think of him, I've decided to write it out. In short, I think John Sidney McCain, III is ... not someone I will vote for in the upcoming election to be our President of the United States.
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By Hu Jo on Aug 25, 2008 11:09 AM EDT

Try getting that piece into the McCainstream media!

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- The big earthquake...

By mary vb on Aug 25, 2008 10:33 AM EDT
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- this year's DNC and rise by Obama to dem nominee is one of ...

By * rdorgan on Aug 25, 2008 10:52 AM EDT

... being "against the machine":

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//080824/480/3c3d6f4e064b4f2bb6847cb69da35c04/#photoViewer=/080824/482/2f3cd4efeb0c4dd6b176cb5e66366d88

People wait in line to place their name on a lottery list for ...

People wait in line to place their name on a lottery list for for Rage Against the Machine concert tickets at the tent city set up for the 2008 Democratic National Convention in Denver, Sunday, Aug. 24, 2008.<cite id="captionCite">(AP Photo/Jack Dempsey)</cite>

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- Repugs in disguise

By audrey.nc on Aug 25, 2008 11:42 AM EDT

I can't believe how any woman could vote for McCain, or any Repub for that matter.   I think most of the Hillary diehards are Repugs to begin with who supported her because the Repub Party wanted her as the nominee, but the VP would be almost as good.
I am beyond believing anything Hill or Bill say this week.   Hill could easily end this charade, but she doesn't.   She'll let it ride out to the last minute, and eke out every smidgeon of disconnect she can.  While we watch the convention, we can also see the Repug. commercials that Hillary has provided for them with her rhetoric of the Primary.  

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- Hi Audrey!

By Jo*in*Vermont on Aug 25, 2008 4:30 PM EDT

in case you missed it on a back, back thread. I think I did misinterpret what I responded to.  what I thought you said was:

- you had stopped contributing to Obama

... which I had no problem with until I read what I took to mean...

- that you were headed to Hillaryland (ie: joining the PUMAs). 

sorry about that - I'm so glad I was wrong!

.............. you are the same Audrey, right?!

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- the table is set for Hillary to really embarass McCain for his ad

By Phil Specht on Aug 25, 2008 11:47 AM EDT

all she has to do is call out the "democrat" in his ad

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- milestone reached today --

By * rdorgan on Aug 25, 2008 11:50 AM EDT

-- Obama for America campaign is now the largest campaign of DFA (ie. O for A has 360 members; it's only been in existence for six weeks, when it was created by Adam Quinn and Michael Langenmayr)  :

http://democracyforamerica.com/campaigns

1 to 30 of 382

Obama for America
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IL
360 Supporters

Diane Trautman for Harris County Tax Assessor-Collector
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TX
357 Supporters

Darcy Burner for Washington
187t1200 Congress - WA-08
WA
210 Supporters

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http://democracyforamerica.com/campaigns/2990-obama-for-america

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Campaign Annoucements

 
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Did you know you can invite non-DFA members to join this group. Under "Voice Your Support" click on "invite friends".


Under "other" you can invite people one-by-one, use the "bulk" add to paste addresses directly in, or use our new tool...

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By * rdorgan on Aug 25, 2008 11:56 AM EDT

(continued)

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N173701577_30211386_1168_tinythumb By Michael Langenmayr on Jul 11, 2008 10:39AM

 

Welcome to the Obama for America campaign page! Show your support, and check back often for updates and events in your area.

 

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- Primary fights are messy but unavoidable if a Party is to change directions

By Phil Specht on Aug 25, 2008 11:52 AM EDT

The next Republican one will be a doozy.

We in Iowa very rarely have a majority behind the nominee until early summer because we are always split on caucus night, but we will carry Iowa for Obama, and I don't think it will even be close.

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- Phil

By audrey.nc on Aug 25, 2008 12:04 PM EDT

I'm hoping and wanting to believe you are right, but as of the moment i am in a "Catharsis up their arses" frame of mind.

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- The Obama group only has three or four duplicate members

By Phil Specht on Aug 25, 2008 12:23 PM EDT

they can all kick in $5 here and combine DFA,ActBlue and grassroots support for the ticket

http://my.barackobama.com/page/outreach/view/main/demfarmer

 

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By * rdorgan on Aug 25, 2008 12:38 PM EDT

Phil -

Just curious, have you gotten on the current blog thread (ie. http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/amandascott/gG5dCk/commentary#comments ) and advertized about your personal FR page ?

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- this is the only place I blog

By Phil Specht on Aug 25, 2008 1:19 PM EDT

and I want bfa folk to be the ones helping reach my goal

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By * rdorgan on Aug 25, 2008 1:22 PM EDT

Oh, ok.

(and I've been promoting DFA and BFA [and the Obama for America campaign on DFA] on the Obama '08 blog)

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- got the red tie (Obama - repub states), blue tie (Biden - dem states) thing going

By * rdorgan on Aug 25, 2008 12:35 PM EDT

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/amandascott/gG5dCk/commentary#comments

Message from Barack: Our Message Of Change

By Amanda Scott - Aug 25th, 2008 at 11:47 am EDT

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- At the Democratic Convention...

By linda b on Aug 25, 2008 1:24 PM EDT

Hey guys, just got back from our first delegation breakfast with Mark Warner. Great time.

Got a good night's sleep after a 24 hour marathon.

Last nite went to the Red Rock Amphitheatre with a concert with Sheryl Crow, Sugarland and Dave Mathews. The place is awesome and a wonder. Built by the WPA during FDR presidency. Made out of red rock. I was almost in tears, it was awesome.

I have my credentials and am ready to go. We are sitting right behind Illinois on the main floor of the convention center.

It is so exciting will check back when I can.

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- w00t very cool lindab

By Love White Castles on Aug 25, 2008 1:54 PM EDT

LOVE Red Rocks - so glad you are enjoying yourself.  I will look for you on TV!  You are up close if you are behind Illinois.

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- David Sirota on Hill and Bill

By mary vb on Aug 25, 2008 1:33 PM EDT

mostly Bill...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/convention-dispatch-does_b_121159.html

linda b - I lived up the road from Red Rocks - up I-70 past Buffalo Bill's grave.  It is breathtaking, isn't it?  Look forward to more reporting.

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- Democratic National Convention Podium Schedule

By Susan Rowe on Aug 25, 2008 1:54 PM EDT

Monday, August 25, 2008 – ONE NATION

Time Shown as local – Denver, Colorado MST

3:00 PM - 7:00 PM (LOCAL)

Call to Order
The Honorable Howard Dean
Chair, Democratic National Committee
Former Governor of Vermont

Invocation
The Honorable Polly Baca – Greeley, Colorado
Former Colorado State Senator
President & CEO Latin American Research & Service Agency

Presentation of Colors
Navajo Code Talkers Association
Keith Little, Frank Willeto, Bill Toledo, Jimmy Begay

Pledge of Allegiance
Angela Morgan –Alexandria, Virginia
Served 9 years in the Marines and now runs a leadership development small business

National Anthem
Colorado Children's Chorale
Group over 30-years old – Tad Koriath (piano)
Local children (7-14) performing throughout US & the world (China, Asia, Europe, etc.)

Welcome
Reverend Leah D. Daughtry
Convention CEO & Chief of Staff, Democratic National Committee

Video - "Welcome to the West"

Introduction of and Report by the Credentials Committee
The Honorable Howard Dean
Chair, Democratic National Committee
Eliseo Roques-Arroyo
Co-Chair Credentials Committee
Former Executive Director, Democratic Party of Puerto Rico
James Roosevelt, Jr.
Co-Chair Credentials Committee
Pres. & CEO Tuffs Health Plan (HMO) and grandson of FDR
The Honorable Alexis Herman
Co Chair Credentials Committee
Former US Secretary of Labor

Introduction of and Report by the Rules Committee
The Honorable Howard Dean
Chair, Democratic National Committee
Sunita Leeds
Co-Chair Rules Committee
Chair of the DNC Indo-American Leadership Council
The Honorable Mary Rose Oakar
Co-Chair Rules Committee
Former Member of the US Congress, Ohio,
President of the American-Arab Anti Discrimination Committee
The Honorable David Walters
Co-Chair Rules Committee
Former Governor of Oklahoma
President of Walters Power International

Video - Changing the Course of Our Nation
Featuring Ashley Baia -Native of Pennsylvania and an Obama field organizer mentioned in Obama's Philadelphia speech. Know as the "sandwich girl" who, at age 9, convinced her mother she liked mustard & relish sandwiches to save money while her mother was fighting cancer. She is now twenty-three.

Introduction of Convention Co-Chairs
The Honorable Howard Dean
Chair, Democratic National Committee
The Honorable Shirley Franklin
Mayor of Atlanta, Georgia
The Honorable Leticia Van de Putte
State Senator, Texas District 26
The Honorable Kathleen Sebelius
Governor of Kansas
The Honorable Nancy Pelosi
Speaker of the US House of Representatives
Member of the US House of Representatives, California
Permanent Chair of the 2008 Democratic National Convention

Turning Over the Gavel
The Honorable Howard Dean, temporary Chair of the Convention turns over the gavel to
The Honorable Nancy Pelosi, Permanent Chair of the 2008 Democratic Convention.

Remarks
The Honorable Doris Matsui, Parliamentarian
Member of the US House of Representatives, California

Andrew Tobias, Treasurer
Democratic Party Treasurer

Remarks by the Secretary and the Electronic Roll Call of Attendance
Alice Travis Germond - West Virginia
Secretary, Democratic Party
Member of the Democratic National Committee

Remarks – Presentation of Platform
The Honorable Patricia Madrid
Co-Chair Platform Committee
Attorney General of New Mexico

Judith McHale
Co-Chair Platform Committee
Business Executive (former President, Discovery Communications; Board of DigitalGlobal)

Remarks
The Honorable John Hickenlooper
Mayor of Denver, Colorado

Congressional Hispanic Caucus
The Honorable Joe Baca
Member of the US House of Representatives, California

The Honorable Grace Napolitano
Member of the US House of Representatives, California

The Honorable Silvestre Reyes
Member of the US House of Representatives, Texas

Remarks
Nancy Keenan
President, NARAL - Pro-Choice America

The Honorable Emil Jones, Jr.
State Senator, Illinois
Amanda Kubik
Young Delegate – North Dakota

Ret. Rear Admiral John Hutson,
Pres. Franklin Pierce Law Center in Concord – lifetime Republican

Reg Weaver
President, National Education Association

The Honorable Manuel Diaz
Mayor of Miami, Florida

Video - Changing the Course of Our Nation
Featuring Gabrielle Grossman
New Hampshire Obama Supporter "U2 mamma for Obama"

Remarks
The Honorable Lisa Madigan
Attorney General, Illinois

The Honorable Dan Hynes
Comptroller, Illinois

The Honorable Alexi Giannoulis
State Treasurer, Illinois

Randi Weingarten
American Federation of Teachers

The Honorable Amy Klobuchar
US Senator, Minnesota

Musical Performance
John Legend (vocals & piano) and accompanied by:
Agape Choir - International Spiritual Center, Culver City, CA
Trans-denominational Spiritual Community founded by Dr. Michael Bernard Beckwith

Video/Remarks
The Honorable Nancy Pelosi
Speaker of the US House of Representatives
Permanent Chair, Democratic National Convention

Video - First Time Delegates: Renewing America's Promise

America's Town Hall – Economy
Moderator: Senator Sherrod Brown - Ohio,
Panelists: Ned Helms, Lisa Olivares, Dr. Laura Tyson, Jon Schnur

Remarks
Margie Perez
New Orleans jazz singer & song writer from Musicians Village

President Jimmy Carter Segment
Jimmy Carter/New Orleans Video
Acknowledgment of President Carter

Remarks
Maya Soetoro-Ng
Half-sister of Barack Obama
High School teacher - Hawaii

7:00 PM - 9:00 PM

Remarks
The Honorable Jesse Jackson, Jr.
Member of the US House of Representatives, Illinois

Mike Fisher & Cheryl Fisher – Beech Grove, Indiana
Mike – Amtrak tech & Cheryl – hospital tech (hosted Obama for lunch)

Tom Balanoff
President, SEIU Local 1 (Chicago)

Senator Edward M. Kennedy Tribute
Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg
Daughter of the late President John F. Kennedy and Jackie Kennedy

Video - Edward M. Kennedy Video

Remarks
The Honorable Miguel Del Valle
City Clerk of Chicago, Illinois

Candi Schmieder
Delegate Chair, Iowa County Convention

Jerry Kellman
Hired & supervised Obama at Developing Communities Project - Chicago, Illinois

Introduction of Jim Leach by
The Honorable Tom Harkin
US Senator, Iowa

The Honorable Jim Leach
Former Republican Member of the US House of Representatives, 1st District, Iowa

Introduction of Claire McCaskill by
Austin Esposito
Son of Senator McCaskill

The Honorable Claire McCaskill
US Senator, Missouri

Video - Michelle Obama Package

Introduction to the Michelle Obama Package
Craig Robinson
Older brother of Michelle Obama

Remarks
Michelle Obama
Wife of Presidential Candidate Barack Obama

Benediction
Don Miller -Portland, Oregon
Best-selling author & public speaker focusing on Christian spirituality

Recess
The Honorable Kathleen Sebelius
Governor of Kansas

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- thank you!

By Jo*in*Vermont on Aug 25, 2008 4:49 PM EDT

will be watching on cspan - the pundits are already making me ill...

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- Some fun DFA events during the DNCC in Denver!

By Susan Rowe on Aug 25, 2008 2:02 PM EDT
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- Deja Vu

By Tom Bearse on Aug 25, 2008 2:34 PM EDT

I'm looking forward to that portion of the convention when Sen. Clinton delivers her prepared remarks and Chairman Dean sits among the dignataries in the audience, drinking champagne as if she wasn't even there.

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- Perfect Tom that you remembered that

By Joan In Florida on Aug 25, 2008 3:41 PM EDT

Howard is much to polite to do it though.

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- True

By Tom Bearse on Aug 25, 2008 4:00 PM EDT

But I'm viewing things through the pristine lens of absolute justice.

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- Phelps overkill?

By FormerT on Aug 25, 2008 2:48 PM EDT

By mary vb on Aug 25, 2008 10:42 AM EDT

He is worthy of lots of praise but so are the rest of the athletes.  Phelps didn't ask for the attention -- but the networks did a major dis-service to all the other deserving athletes at the Olympics.

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Glad Rd and Mary brought the subject.

It is worthy to note how individual (or team, if its a team sport) achievement turned by "politics" into subject of "patriotic pride".     If many (still not most?) people do agree that "guilt by association" is a wrong approach, why then "pride by association"  is not?

Patriotism as a tool not to unite but to separate people has became anachronism.    Olympics where designed with sportsmen in mind, not Governments and States.

Anyway and that's why...lol, Go Ron Paul!!!

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- Are you saying . . .

By Tom Bearse on Aug 25, 2008 3:09 PM EDT

Ron Paul should go because the Olympics weren't designed with governments and states in mind?

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By FormerT on Aug 25, 2008 4:45 PM EDT

Yes, INCLUDING that one, very transparent and obvious reason among MANY OTHERS (not so obvious).

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- "Bang A Gong ...

By * rdorgan on Aug 25, 2008 3:06 PM EDT

... (Get It On)":

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/25/sasha-obama-gavel-banging_n_121169.html#postComment

Seth Colter Walls

Sasha Obama Gavel Banging ...

August 25, 2008 12:59 PM

I spent about two hours on the floor of the Democratic National Convention this morning, and the most recognizably human behavior on display came when a six-year-old girl impulsively reached for a gavel and gave the podium a joyous whack.

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Michelle took the gavel at the podium and raised it halfway into the air, posed again for a moment, and then set the gavel gently back down.

At which point Sasha stood up on her tippy-toes and grabbed the gavel herself. After raising it as high in the air as her arms would allow, Sasha brought the gavel down hard, and let out an accompanying squeal of delight.

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- I don't want to overestimate the intelligence of Clinton supporters.

By Tom Bearse on Aug 25, 2008 3:41 PM EDT

Is it possible, or reasonable to assume, that something about the message transmitted to supporters by the Clinton campaign led them to assume that voting for McCain, or otherwise helping him to win, would somehow further their interests, or advance the purported agenda of a Clinton presidency, in a way that voting for Obama would not?   I mean, what are they thinking?

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By Hu Jo on Aug 25, 2008 3:57 PM EDT

They're not thinking--more "low-information" voters.  Low IQ too

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- Yeah, okay.

By Tom Bearse on Aug 25, 2008 4:12 PM EDT

Still, is it only plain stupidity that would explain the phenomenon of supporting, contributing to, and cacusing for Clinton in the Democratic primaries, as a partisan Democrat, only to blow off the Democratic candidate in the general election in favor of McCain?  Even standing by idly in November and watching McCain take advantage of unenthusiastic Democrats who supported Clinton is, to me, an abdication of the moral responsiblity of any reasoning person in an election with stakes as high as these.

Hey, I was for Dean and supported Kerry strictly out of Anyone But Bush sentiments.  I wasn't exactly pleased about the prospect, but never hesitated to do it.  Bush was an animal.  You can't tell me having Kerry for President wouldn't have been leagues better than this noisome shit we've been subjected to over the past eight years.  I can't believe people would treat this election so cavalierly.  What a sick joke.

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By Hu Jo on Aug 25, 2008 4:24 PM EDT

Tom, it's like the estranged spouses (most often men), who reason (if that's the word) that if I can't have her, nobody can--bang bang.

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- The best place to watch the convention

By Joan In Florida on Aug 25, 2008 3:44 PM EDT

is on C-Span if you can avoid the nasty call-ins from desperate Repugs.

C-Span has a good thing going without all the McCain coverage mixed in like the MSM has.

Maybe I'll watch Keith for a while if they behave this evening.

 

 

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By Jo*in*Vermont on Aug 25, 2008 4:55 PM EDT

just tuned in to cspan and what are they covering while waiting for the fun to begin....?

blogs! 

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- Glad you're having a great time linda b

By Joan In Florida on Aug 25, 2008 3:46 PM EDT

 

I know just where the VA delegation is sitting, saw it on the C-Span layout. Keep us posted when you can.

 

 

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- Brokaw slams Matthews, Olbermann

By Hu Jo on Aug 25, 2008 4:09 PM EDT

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/25/tom-brokaw-chris-matthews_n_121215.html


NBC should put that old putz back out to pasture--He's just another repug stenographer

Tom Brokaw said Sunday at a panel in Denver that MSNBC hosts Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann have "gone too far" in their campaign reporting.

 

"I think Keith has gone too far. I think Chris has gone too far," the veteran NBC newsman said at a forum sponsored by Harvard's Shorenstein press center. But Brokaw said that they are "commentators" and "not the only voices" on MSNBC and that viewers could sort it out.
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By Hu Jo on Aug 25, 2008 4:10 PM EDT

I can sort it out--they're the only honest talking heads out there.

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By Tom Bearse on Aug 25, 2008 4:18 PM EDT

We've just sorted you out, Brokaw.

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- Convention

By raehart on Aug 25, 2008 4:15 PM EDT

Hi everyone. 

I'm watching convention on CSPAN too.  It is going to be a great convention, I'm so excited about seeing all the speakers. 

linda b, I'm eagerly awaiting your reports.

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By Annilow on Aug 25, 2008 4:50 PM EDT

 

:~)

 

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By Annilow on Aug 25, 2008 4:51 PM EDT

Sorry I haven't conquered pictures.

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By Annilow on Aug 25, 2008 4:52 PM EDT

 

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By mary vb on Aug 25, 2008 4:53 PM EDT

glad you're back...

 

Looking forward to seeing Kennedy speak this evening.  Sadly, one must sit through Tom Brokaw's longwinded nothingness.  sigh...

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By mary vb on Aug 25, 2008 4:55 PM EDT

needs to get back to Montana - let Brian Williams be *the anchor* for NBC and shut the hell up.  To criticize Keith and Chris publicly is really bad form.  

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