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The Watercooler for 09/06/08 9:00 AM
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Feds close Silver state Bank. McShames son left the bank in late July. Family values and vision !
And now
the wolves are in the hen house.
What insight and damage can be gleened btw now and the end of the Bush Admin. ?
A McCain spokeman said Pallin could connect because she had "that" skill.
I about died laughing.
"Hey moose!" "You slacker!" "Give it up!"
KAL at the conventions
Sep 5th 2008
From Economist.com
Every day this week, our cartoonist is sending his sketches from the Republican convention in St Paul, Minnesota. Sketches from previous days can be found here. You can find up-to-the-minute coverage on our American politics blog.
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http://www.opednews.com/articles/LIBRARIANS-AGAINST-MCCAIN-by-Judy-Swindler-080905-443.html
"I am a public librarian who is concerned about having Sarah Palin in the White House. While mayor of Wasilla, Sarah Palin attempted to ban some books from the city library. When the chief librarian would not ban books without going through the formal book challenging process, Sarah Palin attempted to terminate the librarian’s employment. Only after public outcry was the termination withdrawn.
I do not want a book banner in the White house!"
under all plans to bail it out so that no one could profit if the taxpayers stepped in
buyer beware
but now the extreme threat on the horizon is the full faith and credit in government paper (will the Republican dream of destroying Social Security be realized)
Obama better study up on FDR's moves
feeling people's pain is what Obama learned as a community organizer and what propelled him to strive for higher positions so he could make a difference, and organizing a country to combat economic peril is the ultimate test
I'm glad he has that experience. It will take the best minds and a superb leader to get us out of this mess.
I'd go and bring back a report if I hadn't just spent time in central WI and have work to catch up on.
Presidential candidate Cynthia McKinney will be speaking and I feel an urge to go counter that with some Obama arguments on the ground because that is a gathering of die hard progressives and like me many thought the Democrats didn't have one in this field.
A Partisan in Maverick's Clothing
The idea that John McCain's problems stem from some paradoxical downside to his "maverick" style and record of post-partisanship (Matthew Continetti, "Sounds Nice, But Will It Get Votes?") is the sort of clever conceit on which the punditry business is founded. But a much simpler explanation is at hand -- having spent the first four years of the Bush administration remaking himself as an independent-minded maverick, McCain has spent the past four years remaking himself as an orthodox Republican and now finds himself running for president at a time when his party is deeply unpopular.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/02/AR2008090201922.html
-McCain ... Ted Kennedy to reform America's dysfunctional immigration policy. But during the primaries McCain disavowed the bill they coauthored, caving in to the GOP's anti-immigration base
-McCain ... Tom Daschle on anti-tobacco legislation in the 1990s. But now McCain opposes cigarette tax increases
-McCain's supposed post-partisanship is his vote with John Kerry against the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, but he now favors extending them and adding huge new regressive tax cuts to the mix.
-"a tendency toward thrill-seeking (he enjoys placing large wagers on the bad-odds bets in the game of craps) and a personality that reveals the extent to which one man's maverick is another man's erratic decision-maker."
-"McCain is in a downward spiral of ever-intensifying right-wingery even at a time when the American right has rarely been less popular. Many expected him to try to pull the plane up once the primaries were over, but the decision to re-re-invent himself is not so easily undone."
look no farther than President Jimmy Carter. Thanks to him we, the taxpayers have been bailing out the airlines for years.
I'm afraid Ricky Obama Baby Jesus will be as bad or worse that Carter, which will take away Carter's title as the "Worst President" in US history.
I don't know about Carter for sure, but surely W captured the title of "Worst President" -- let their be no doubt -- go play in your own sandbox...
Now name the best presidents.
By the way, you seem somewhat disingenuous. After Reagan, how can any Republican be opposed to deregulation?
“So Sambo beat the bitch!”
This is how Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin described Barack Obama’s win over Hillary Clinton to political colleagues in a restaurant a few days after Obama locked up the Democratic Party presidential nomination.
Racial and ethnic slurs may be “just Alaska” and, clearly, they are common, everyday chatter for Palin.
Besides insulting Obama with a Step-N’-Fetch-It, “darkie musical” swipe, people who know her say she refers regularly to Alaska’s Aboriginal people as “Arctic Arabs”
This will help shore up her support among the party's cynical, white base.
But, one hopes, give pause to independents of all hues.
I used the analogy of a jury in an earlier Watercooler thread, in that research supports the theory that in the majority of cases, juries tend to reach what could be described as "correct" or "right" decisions, meaning logically explainable decisions, despite their relative lack of sophistication regarding legal matters. The theory is that these random groups tend to include a cross section of people, having varying degrees of intelligence and perceptiveness, that produce a rational, common sense result more often than not.
Our experience, our conversations with emotional, irrational, and ideologically hidebound voters, may give us the depressing sense that people will succumb to the anti-intellectual appeals made by Republicans.
But despite this, I think there is sufficient evidence, anecdotal and in polling results, that the majority of voters will 1) take the election seriously, and 2) make an honest assessment of the candidates that takes into account the deplorable economic and international situations the U.S. finds itself in, as a consequence of the policies and practices of the loathsome administration currently in power, and the lemming like quality of Republicans who embrace these policies. By the law of averages, a large group of demographically diverse voters should reach the right decision.
This is gossip. There is a Kos diary on the same subject and most are asking for it to be deleted. There is no verification or documentation that she made that comment, so I don't think we should be spreading it around unless or until there is.
Having said the above, I wouldn't put it past her.
Sorry.
Ricky Obama Baby Jesus? that's the best you have? Hilarious.
Good morning folks. Newsweek has a story on the McCain operatives trying to shut Troopergate down. More of the same.
Marty kind of blew his name-calling audition, revealing some extremely limited insulting ability. He didn't even have a name for President Carter.
John helped me think of a new bumper sticker for Marty's car: "Beat Sambo, Bitch".
Andrew McCain was on the board until he abruptly resigned in July.
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/6/93957/32617/978/588876
9/5/08
Pollster.com
Barack Obama 48.3
John "No Solutions" McSame 42.7
Polls really need to give the percentage of undecided voters to get anywhere near an "accurate" assessment of what they might or might not indicate.
http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/08-us-pres-ge-mvo.php
First of all, I read a Lakoff article on another blog regarding how Palin lights up people's symbology grids but has nothing to say regarding real problems of the day. His point was as long as Democrats hew to rationality (as we almost always do), we will underestimate her potency.
We have to fight symbology with symbology.
IMO one of the best ways to do this is to point out that -- like a bad Dad -- Republicans always want you to do as they say, not as they do. Then just pick every single bit of hypocrisy and stick it right on that framework.
All the ways Republicans fail to handle money properly, but want you to stay on a strict budget.
All the ways Republicans want to restrict your rights while playing fast and loose themselves.
Palin saying, "Sambo beat the bitch," is a beaut, since as a pious Christian she wouldn't want her children to use words like "bitch". That's something Christian kids get their mouths washed out with soap for, take my word on it.
Palin and McCain are two lousy Dads who want to take away any scrap of goodness from our lives while continuing to do anything they themselves please (squander money, have affairs, use bad language and substances, y'know, all the "adult" things).
-- volney
http://pundits.thehill.com/2008/09/05/spiro-palin-and-the-coming-charge-of-the-hillary-women/
Get ready for the charge that is about to come from Hillary Clinton, who will soon have one of her finest hours, and leading Democratic women who will fight and fight again for the America that Sarah Palin and John McCain, in their traditions of George Bush and Spiro Agnew, will never know and must never lead.
The charge of the Democratic women is about to begin and it will be a sight to behold. They will attack the royalist economics of McCain and Palin, who campaign against equal pay for equal work, who oppose legislation to help single moms, and who would literally start a national civil war because of their extremism and intolerance over abortion.
The charge of the Democratic women will highlight the best of what women bring to politics and government, the ability to bring people together and lift people up regardless of race, gender and nationality and a clear voice that will champion the idea that Sarah Palin does not represent a glass ceiling to be broken, but an iron chain of reactionary policies around the necks of average Americans of all races and both genders.
The coming Hillary barnstorm for Barack and the coming charge of the Democratic women will join the debate for real. They will say, as Barack says, as we say: enough! It is time to turn the page and build the future, and the charge of the Democratic women will bring the power for real change in a battle for the future of America that is long overdue and must not be won by two phony "mavericks" fighting for the policies of George Bush, with the politics of Spiro Agnew.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Barbara_Boxer_Palin_extremist_%5BVIDEO.DE%5D_0905.html
Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) has become the latest female Democratic leader to
slam Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin, telling reporters on
Thursday that Palin is "an extremist" and "way out of the
mainstream."
"My impression of Sarah Palin is that she can throw a very
strong punch, a very sarcastic punch," Boxer began. "I think her speech was
laced with ridicule. ... People will respond differently to that. It didn't move
me very much. I was uncomfortable with it."
"But the most important
thing, it seems to me, is her record and her views," continued Boxer. "She's an
extremist. And she's way out of the mainstream. And it's ... hard for me to
imagine how Democrats, moderate Republicans, and moderate independents can
embrace the McCain-Palin ticket."
Good Fascist Salute!

Yes -- I've been thinking we need to 'frame' Palin - at least the 2nd part of her speech as 'hate speech.' AND we need to draw parallels between her personal magnetism (all that beauty pageant training) and W's (frat prez, cheerleader). Why are we electing leaders based on cult of personality?
yes, I shopped at WalMart this morning. I'm visiting my parents and to conserve gas, I wasn't about to drive around aimlessly trying to find a store that sold what I was looking for. So, WalMart was there...and I went in.
The older woman at the checkout was way beyond friendly...the older people usually are. When she was done scanning my purchases, she leaned in toward me, which I thought was odd at first. Then she whisped to me..."I like your shirt. My husband doesn't know it, but I'm voting for him. We need a big change in this county."
I was wearing my Obama shirt.
Many small towns have shuttered the doors of local business thanks to our friends at WalMart. There is often no other place to shop. My guess is that shopping at WalMart is secretly done by many of us here...except for me of course. ;-)
Still you took the WalMart lemon and made lemonade with it. Kind of like Obama going on O'Reilly. You may have created another grassroots activist at the same time.
I'm thinking it might not be a terrible idea to do a "visibility event" inside WalMart stores. Get groups of people in Obama shirts to walk around and be visible.
- I'm a walking visibility event at all times with my Obama cap and pins.
By Phil Specht on Sep 6, 2008 3:05 PM EDT.
If it weren't for the 1000 character limit that just robbed half my hurricane response story I'd write up one on the conversation I had with some Ron Paul supporters at the Interstate stop (they hate McCain). ended up taking one of their Support American bumper stickers to marry to my Obama one
Once shopped Walmart. i was visiting my folks in San Diego (i'm in Seattle) and I needed something. My Dad (91 yrs old) drove me to Walmart. How do you argue with someone that's that old?? they didn't have most of what i went there for.
I confess -- out here in 'the woods' WalMart is the only place to get stuff -- well there's the Tractor Supply but...
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bdffd9a6-7b71-11dd-b839-000077b07658.html
US military trained Georgian commandos
Published: September 5 2008 18:49
The US military provided combat training to 80 Georgian special forces commandos only months prior to Georgia’s army assault in South Ossetia in August.
The revelation, based on recruitment documents and interviews with US military trainers obtained by the Financial Times, could add fuel to accusations by Vladimir Putin, Russian prime minister, last month that the US had “orchestrated” the war in the Georgian enclave.
The training was provided by senior US soldiers and two military contractors. There is no evidence that the contractors or the Pentagon, which hired them, knew that the commandos they were training were likely be used in the assault on South Ossetia..........
- There is no evidence that the contractors or the Pentagon, which hired them, knew that the commandos they were training were likely be used in the assault on South Ossetia..........
By Phil Specht on Sep 6, 2008 3:08 PM EDTWhat did John McCain know and when did he know it? and why is a paid agent for the Georgian gov't on his staff?
He sure wanted to change the conversation from him with his Palin pick.
she can be Sargent Schultz with "I know nothing." and be totally believable (whatever the topic)
she's edited the jet story - now it's I put the plane on ebay..... and that's it - no 'sold' it on ebay, no 'made a profit'. at least she knows when to stop with the lies. they're freakin going nuts for her! I've never witnessed this much excitement for McSame.
i'm testing out a pctv tuner I bought for my pc so I can use it as a dvr - tres cool!
and will top the four million meal total for Gustav sometime today. They are still bringing in air transport loads of tarps and the Guard is putting them on roofs as fast as they come in. 26% of the state are still without power
the state is very vulnerable to IKE
my son left Baton Rouge and is staying with friends in Texas until the University re-opens
my read on Ike's path is that much like Gustav once it gets in the Gulf it can go right or left, as two different tracks are both viable, but if the pressure of the two highs is roughly egual it will follow the Gustav path, and then LA is in deep trouble
today the state just about ran out of water, the USDA surplus bulk commodities are arriving by the truckload for the Red Cross and Baptists and Salvation Army and will serve 100,000 hot meals in Baton Rouge today
best not committ too many of the Guard to Hanna til we know where Ike is headed
This is a lesson learned by the Bush Adm. that will long be remembered by any future administration.
You are right about the Ike path Phil. We have every high pressure here in Central Florida so not too much concern. However, if the storm gets powerful enough and has its own steering currents, we had better watch out here.
Glad your son is safe and will stay safe. Several of our children and many grands live in South Florida so we always have concern for them as well.
I've been thinking we need to 'frame' Palin - at least the 2nd part of her speech as 'hate speech.' (Annilow)
I'm thinking it might not be a terrible idea to do a "visibility event" inside WalMart stores. Get groups of people in Obama shirts to walk around and be visible. (Thomas Janowski)
I'm going to mention Tom's idea at our DEC meeting next Thursday. They like to do election visibility events. Walking around WalMart would not exactly be an event per se so the management would certainly not object to the customers' clothing, especially if they were shopping.
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because it benefits the weak at the cost of the burdened strong.
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