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- A cheery Good Morning,

By Pat in Colorado on Oct 31, 2009 10:32 AM EDT

Sun today, mild temperatures: 40s.  I'm thinking of Phil and wondering if the storm has hit Iowa yet.

Puddle, thank you so much for the summary and link to the health care bill.  That's great for those of us who have no intention of reading 2000 pages.

Tom Bearse, thanks for the perspective.  A friend remarked recently that for its time Don't Ask, Don't Tell was revolutionary.  I think it's a measure of the Information Age that what was revolutionary 15 years ago is seen as a bad compromise today. 

The BBC, stories of people helping people throughout the world.  An Actress creating art that allows people to experience what young women sold into sexual slavery have experienced - seven cargo containers in London that people walk through detailing a young woman's experience.  Women helping women who were raped by Serbs in the ethnic cleansing.  Lots of good happening out there along with the bad.

Also, how much money we have contributed to infrastructure in Iraq and what some of the results have been, plus a reassessment of what we should do next and what Iraqi people have to do themselves.

Finally, talked to man who lived and worked 8 years in Africa and is active in the Estes Park Community.  He said that the most successful people who work in politics are pleasantly persistent.  He sees the result on the Town Council.  Those who lose their tempers and rage always lose.  He saw this in Africa as well.

Have a fine morning.

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- Morning Pat

By dog soldier on Oct 31, 2009 11:12 AM EDT

Rain and windy in GR.  All the leaves are off except for one persistent maple that is still green.  Go figure.

A big thank you to Denise for the wonderful drug information.

 

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- Good morning from San Diego Intl

By Love White Castles on Oct 31, 2009 12:07 PM EDT

free wifi, nice, means I don't have to use the Verizon card thingy.

You're most welcome, dog.  Access Solutions used to be called SPOC - single point of contact - back in 1996 when Genentech was putting it all together for their growth hormone drug, Nutropin.  We have a boat load of case managers and reimbursement specialists that work on practically all of our products - I was just talking about Herceptin yesterday.  As with anything, the public can only know what they are privy to.  This company has a heart.  From what I saw on the convention floor yesterday, it seems that Roche does as well, but in a different way.  In our booth we invited docs, nurses and any other visitors to color by number.  Two scenes were created for the UCLA children's transplant unit, and they will be framed and hung there at some point.  I did a bit of coloring myself - pink hearts and half of a kidney, LOL.

If I ever tire of the travel I'd like to be a case manager.  I know it's a career path I am qualified for as two other planners were hired out of our department in the past ten years.  The training here is exceptional, too.  

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- Good Morning to you too, Dog Soldier.

By Pat in Colorado on Oct 31, 2009 11:44 AM EDT

My husband grew up in Grand Rapids.  His father was an attorney for the state in the Conservation Dept.

I think it will be fascinating to see what Obama decides with respect to Afghanistan.  I do have faith in his ethics and his brilliance.  To think of what might have been our situation had McCain and Palin elected makes me shudder.  We dodged a bullet on that one. Whatever were the Republicans and much of the country thinking?  Rather, they weren't thinking.

I have a dog with a sense of humor.  I go outside to hang up the laundry and she runs at me full tilt and dodges at the last second. She's so fast.  I swear I can hear her laughing.  I think of myself as Inspector Clouseau and Molly as Cato who lies in wait to attack me.  She's a very funny dog.

And, those are my political comments this morning as I'm off to do some work I've avoided all week.

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- Morning Pat, don't work too hard now

By Love White Castles on Oct 31, 2009 12:08 PM EDT

I can't wait to get home and start handing out candy to the little ones.   IN costume I might add :)

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- This may have already been posted

By Love White Castles on Oct 31, 2009 12:13 PM EDT

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/10/29/2112427.aspx

The Obama administration, via a statement from the Treasury Department, is officially asking Congress to extend the tax credit for first-time homebuyers.

From the release:


Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner and HUD Secretary Shaun Donovancalled on Congress to approve three important measures to improve housing and the housing market for Americans: extension of the First Time Homebuyers Tax Credit for a limited period, extension of higher loan limits for home mortgages, and secure funding for the Housing Trust Fund. "We welcome efforts taken by Congress to extend the First Time Homebuyers Tax Credit for a limited period. This credit has brought new families into the housing market and contributed to three consecutive months of rising home prices nationwide," said Secretaries Geithner and Donovan.

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By Love White Castles on Oct 31, 2009 12:31 PM EDT

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE59U05420091031

Nine more banks seized.  Sis used to work at Heritage Pullman after her 28 year stint at ShoreBank Chicago.  Pullman was gobbled up by First Bank Oak Park (FBOP), which now has been brought into the U.S. Bancorp family.  

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The largest institution to fail in the current financial crisis was Washington Mutual, which boasted $307 billion in assets when it was shuttered in September 2008.

U.S. Bancorp on Friday acquired the nine banks that had been held by FBOP Corp, picking up $18.4 billion in assets and $15.4 billion of deposits.

Visibly worried employees lined up to file into Cal National's head offices in the heart of a deserted downtown Los Angeles on a chilly Friday evening, where they had their employers' fate explained to them, regulators said.

"We're getting ready to turn everything over to U.S. Bank," said Roberta Valdez, a spokeswoman for the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp, which helped supervise the transfer of FBOP's assets. "They will continue to operate as normal in the interim," she added, referring to lenders acquired from FBOP.

U.S. Bancorp -- which has been buying up distressed assets this year -- is picking up the lenders once owned by FBOP, a private Illinois group with over $18 billion in assets that owned banks in Texas, Illinois, Arizona and California.

 

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- Good morning, folks. Good news re. housing tax credit.

By cChal on Oct 31, 2009 1:08 PM EDT

Perspective from Democratic Strategist:

At the end of this important week on the health care front, one thing clear is that the differences between what the House and Senate are likely to vote on are not as large as everyone expected a few weeks ago. Harry Reid's advancing a public option bill with (it appears) a state opt-out, and the House is going with a public option that will negotiate rates instead of pegging payments to Medicare. Had the Senate gone with a weak trigger or something like co-ops, or the House had insisted on the Medicare peg, it could have caused some very serious problems down the road.

However you happen to feel about the substance of these nuances, anything that steadily narrows the gaps between Senate and House Democrats is a step towards enactment of health reform this year. Or at least that's how it looks to me from an internet cafe a very long way from Washington.

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- What has to be included in the health reform bill is...

By Reed in V T on Oct 31, 2009 2:44 PM EDT

the states being able to go the single payer route on their own. Last night at the Bernie Sanders/Jim Hightower event, Bernie came out first thing and said he wasn't happy with Obama so far and he wanted more done. He then said to put things into perspective though, remembering the last eight years and how our voice was unheard and how important it is for all of us to keep the pressure on the White House, just as the lobbyists are, because we are being heard. He said the only way true reform is going to happen is for one of the states (Vt., Penns., Cal.) working on a single payer system to implement it and watch the other states follow. Not going to happen nationally as lobbyists are too powerful.

Did get to meet Jim Hightower...he had the crowd laughing all night. Said he knew how to herd cats...it's called a canopener...lol. All of lefties just need to remember the common causes we care about.

Gotta run, my niece and her husband just bought a house about a mile down the road and I'm helping them when the furniture arrives about 3:00.

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- ideas:

By cChal on Oct 31, 2009 1:11 PM EDT
Provide a tax credit and other financial incentives to enable all taxpayers to invest more reliably in socially and environmentally responsible companies that employ Americans;

and,

Establish enforceable worker rights (e.g. freedom of association, prohibition against job discrimination) and environmental safeguards as cornerstones for all future U.S. trade agreements;
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- Where the ideas come from:

By cChal on Oct 31, 2009 1:12 PM EDT

Veteran congressional staffer Bill Goold is doing some creative strategic thinking over at the HuffPo, where today he shares "Building Progressive Staying Power," proposing the establishment of "a progressive legislative exchange" for shaping and refining ideas into legislative reforms. As Goold rolls it out:

The resurgent progressive movement needs to think more long-term, come together quickly, and systematically build a Progressive Legislative Exchange to share and hone a steady, perpetual stream of the best, actionable ideas that progressives and liberals, near and far, have to offer for public and private sector problem-solving. This is a very egalitarian, 21st century idea whose time has come and is all the more attainable because of the Internet and other far-flung communication capabilities. Progressive leaders and activists have it within our grasp to organize and create a permanent incubator and clearinghouse for conceptualizing and refining progressive legislation to serve the public interest and address myriad problems confronting our nation and our world that will connect and empower imaginative thinkers inside and outside of Congress as never before.

 

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By cChal on Oct 31, 2009 1:13 PM EDT

...Imagine an organized intersection on-line and otherwise through which progressives can exchange, funnel, and refine ideas and proposals for possible legislation that interested Members of Congress and their dedicated hard-working, over-stretched staff can easily survey and pick and choose for possible further development, introduction, and advancement in the House and Senate. Conversely, this Progressive Legislative Exchange could also make it possible for Members of Congress and their staff to efficiently post or otherwise make available any pieces of legislation they have conceived and want to further refine before the bill(s) and/or amendment(s) are formally introduced, subjected to hearings, and voted upon.

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Hope you all have a beautiful day.

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- another slap at women

By seashell on Oct 31, 2009 1:57 PM EDT

Sharon Lerner at The Nation notes:


October 30, 2009


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.....yet another complication has emerged: so far, reform legislation has failed to require insurers to cover some basic preventive services for women, or prevent providers from charging extra for them.

None of the bills emerging from the House and Senate require insurers to cover all the elements of a standard gynecological "well visit," leaving essential care such as pelvic exams, domestic violence screening, counseling about sexually transmitted diseases, and, perhaps most startlingly, the provision of birth control off the list of basic benefits all insurers must cover. snip 

women could wind up having to pay for some of these services out of their own pockets.

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No one wants the process to collapse under a mountain of requests from special interest groups à la the Clinton mess in 1993. But women, half of all adult patients, are not a special interest group. And since both the House and Senate bills include lists of specific services that must be covered by health insurance companies and be provided without asking patients for additional money, it's hard to understand why all the services provided in a basic well-woman visit to the gynecologist isn't on them along with maternity care, newborn care, pediatric dental and vision services, and substance use disorder services.

The fault for the initial omission can be laid at the feet of Democrats, .....

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- cont from above link..(and thanks Hu Jo)

By seashell on Oct 31, 2009 2:00 PM EDT



Either way, the irony of letting anti-abortion sentiment undercut the coverage of birth control is that it will likely lead to more abortions. "If women can't get this kind of primary care, there are three clear outcomes: cancer, abortions and infertility," says Anne Davis, medical director of Physicians for Reproductive Choice and Health, and a practicing Ob/Gyn in New York City. Davis cites the facts that untreated sexually transmitted infections can lead to infertility, and that pelvic exams help diagnose cervical cancers. As for the importance of covering--and not requiring women to kick in additional money for--birth control, Davis says, "It's fundamental primary preventive care. So if we don't do this, we're causing a lot of abortions."

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- Who's leaning on this guy?

By seashell on Oct 31, 2009 2:16 PM EDT
Abdullah Abdullah (26 October 2009)
President Hamid Karzai's rival in the Afghan poll re-run says he will announce on Sunday if he intends to pull out of the vote.
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- Now isn't this *special?*

By seashell on Oct 31, 2009 2:24 PM EDT
Published on Saturday, October 31, 2009 by The Washington Post

Congress to Weigh in on UN's Gaza Report

House resolution calls the findings 'irredeemably biased'

by Glenn Kessler

The House of Representatives on Tuesday is poised to pass a nonbinding resolution condemning a controversial U.N. report on alleged Israeli war crimes in the Gaza Strip that has become a major complication in Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton's diplomacy in the Middle East this weekend.

[Fire and smoke rise into the sky from an Israeli air strike in Gaza City on January 3. The US House of Representatives is expected to vote Tuesday on a resolution calling on President Barack Obama to reject the UN's Goldstone report, which accuses Israel and Palestinian militants of war crimes in Gaza. (AFP/File/Mahmud Hams)]
But Israeli officials have warned that any effort by the United Nations to add further legitimacy to the report will undermine the administration's efforts to relaunch peace talks with the Palestinians.

The resolution, co-sponsored by the two senior members of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, Rep. Howard L. Berman (D-Calif.) and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.).....

The White House has taken no position on the House resolution,.....

"AIPAC, in concert with every mainstream pro-Israel organization in the United States, supports this important resolution,".....

However, a new Jewish organization, J Street, has taken a sharply different tack, saying it could not support the resolution as drafted......

 

Israeli leaders say that they launched the Gaza war in self-defense,.....

 

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- Bloggie needed a little balance :-)

By seashell on Oct 31, 2009 2:26 PM EDT
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- drug Companies business models are flawed

By dog soldier on Oct 31, 2009 2:41 PM EDT

 

Pfizer really hurt itself by outsourcing product development.  The magic word in business is fungibility where all workers in the same job classification have the same skills.  Thus, there is no difference between engineers in GR and engineers in India.  Since engineers in India work for more then a third less, the corporate response is to offshore as much work as possible to low-cost suppliers.  Besides screwing the local folks, they are turning over their intellectual property (IP) to workers in companies that don’t recognize IP and copyright laws.

Pfizer gleefully laid off many, many engineers, sent their work offshore, and now gets the joy of having these foreign workers compete directly against Pfizer making their won generic drugs as the legitimate drugs are being introduced.  Pfizer sues, and eventually wins and the Indian company is ordered by the Indian government to stop production and sales.  By this time, the Indian company has made a ton of money and Pfizer has a difficult time recovering their engineering and development costs.

You would think the Pfizer management would decide to make the drugs in this country.  But nope, they continue to offshore as much as possible.

 

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- 63º and misty

By puddle on Oct 31, 2009 3:02 PM EDT
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- Afgan strategy?

By dog soldier on Oct 31, 2009 3:20 PM EDT

I was thinking about Pat’s wish for Obama and reread Jim Wallis’s suggestion to widen the discussion and get NGOs and other peace-orientated groups involved….
Why not widen the discussion with NGOs beyond Afgan into a discussion about world-wide violence and poverty in general?
I am always asking for a Grand Strategy and that it must be defensive; and that moral legitimacy trumps strategic and tactical. Bringing world-wide poverty which breeds terror and violence to a level of discussion not heard of in this country would allow us to get the moral legitimacy back.

We actually had a chance to do this in the ‘68 Tet offensive. As we knew it was coming, we were covering a large hamlet that was very friendly to us and would be a likely target. For some reason, we were relieved by another company and after we left, and before they had a chance to settle in, they were heavily attacked. The local population was treated horribly by the VC with many families hacked into tiny pieces, and our folks were badly mauled. We turned around and drove the attackers away and saved as many of the local folks as possible. That is one of the few battles that we were the good guys. The locals begged us to stay to keep the VC away. In typical brain-dead fashion, we refused; went on a jungle campaign after the remains of the attacking force; that promptly came around in back of us and wiped the hamlet out; and then attacked us from our rear. Of course, we maintained the magic 10:1 kill ratio (even if it was by imaginary dead bad guys) so were praised for winning a great battle.

Anyway, this actually would be a State Department action. Obama may have been his own worst enemy by appointing warmongers to state such as Hillary, Eckleberry and Holbrooke.
This would be a great chance to use Bubba and Carter to promote world peace and eradication of poverty. It also requires a defensive grand strategy.

I fear Obama will end up chasing the enemy thru the weeds; like we did..

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- Wonderfully interesting comments here today

By Joan In Florida on Oct 31, 2009 3:25 PM EDT

But, after all is said and done, Howard Dean is still first:))

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Weather still beautiful here, mid 80's, sunny and dry--but for how long? We need some rain soon.

 

 

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- You can have some of our rain

By dog soldier on Oct 31, 2009 3:35 PM EDT

We have had nearly 10 inches this month (normal is less then 3 inches).

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- Send 'er on down here!

By Joan In Florida on Oct 31, 2009 3:42 PM EDT
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- When the Media is a Big Part of the Problem

By Joan In Florida on Oct 31, 2009 3:40 PM EDT

Mark Weisbrot writes about the various political war hawks that Meet the Press has had on their shows with absolutely no one speaking for the anti-war Americans which number at least half the population. And the hawks are not all Republicans.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-weisbrot/when-the-media-is-a-big-p_b_339965.ht

I found this article enlightening in many ways. I do hope Obama doesn't watch MTP if we are ever to get out of Afghanistan:))

 

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- The media has historically been cheerleaders for war administrations

By dog soldier on Oct 31, 2009 3:52 PM EDT

They think it is being patriotic to support the administration in times of conflict.
Cronkite was a big supporter of VN until the '68 Tet and that was mainly because the activity in Saigon at the US Embassy got so much publicity. The VC viewed that particular Tet as a huge defeat, until they realized we viewed it as a huge defeat.
Today, most MSM reports the difficulties of the war fighting, but very little about the war fighters, their families, and the effect on the folks we are fighting. It is going to be very difficult for Obama to change direction in any significant way if a military solution is the primary path.
His only out is to change the discussion and get others who aren't tied to militaries involved.
He would be greatly helped if NGOs would publish articles in the major newspapers and magazines describing how they could reach a non-violent solution.

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- Not tied to the military OR have a financial interest

By Joan In Florida on Oct 31, 2009 4:52 PM EDT

in defense contracts.

 

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- The same peace-is-king methodology would work in the Palistine-Israel conflict

By dog soldier on Oct 31, 2009 4:02 PM EDT

gotta go...lots of halloweenie stuff going on.
We are having a big bon-fire (wind and rain permitting) for the neigherhood kids. We have a lot of trees which the kids hide in there and scare each other. It ends up being a maze. We have adequate outdoor lighting. Lots of fun, the kids get a chance to play, and the adults kibitz which each other.

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- Health Care Reform - Pelosi's Bill

By Luther Biggs on Oct 31, 2009 4:09 PM EDT


... a general review by the Progressive...

The Pluses and Minuses of Pelosi’s Package

By Matthew Rothschild, October 29, 2009


                                                     Pluses

And it greatly expands Medicaid.

Currently, Medicaid doesn’t cover all poor Americans. If you’re single and poor, you’re out of luck. And if you’re married and poor but don’t have young kids, you’re also out of luck.

But under Pelosi’s plan, every adult in America who is poor would qualify for Medicaid.

And her plan raises the qualifying definition of poor up to 150 percent of the poverty line—that means anyone earning under $16,200 would be eligible for Medicaid.

Another plus is on the funding side. Rather than tax generous health care plans that unions have won, as the Senate bill would, Pelosi’s would slap a 5.4 percent surtax on individuals making $500,000 or more, and families making $1 million or more.

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- - Health Care Reform - Pelosi's Bill

By Luther Biggs on Oct 31, 2009 4:22 PM EDT

--cont-

... a general review by the Progressive...

The Pluses and Minuses of Pelosi’s Package

By Matthew Rothschild, October 29, 2009


                                                      Minuses

First, it doesn’t allow the government to set the reimbursement rates. Instead, the insurance companies would be empowered to negotiate those rates with the government.

Second, it appears that Pelosi’s public option would not be open to everybody. Like Obama’s plan, not many of us would be able to join it. And I wish it would have kept Rep. Dennis Kucinich’s amendment to allow states to experiment with universal coverage.

I also believe that true health care reform must include health care coverage for everybody in America, not just citizens. And this bill doesn’t provide that. Health care is a human right. It doesn’t matter whether you are here without proper documentation or not; you deserve health care. And, from an economic standpoint, it’s foolish to deny health care to the undocumented, since they will end up going to the emergency room for costly care when they could have been treated initially, at much less cost, if they had health care coverage.

 

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- Capitalism Hits the Fan - A Marxian View

By Luther Biggs on Oct 31, 2009 4:31 PM EDT

 

Hope this doesn't make you uncomfortable - but what do you think is happening to 95 % of us ?

 

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7382297202053077236&ei=LJbsSubrGdLYlQfw_YzlAg&q=capitalism+hits+the+fan&hl=en#

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